Protecting your home from car thieves
Discussion
R1 Loon said:
No not really. I live in a large town on the outskirts of a major city with very good multiple motorway and rural road network. When you live in a town like this with afflunece and deprivation separated by only a few miles then s
t happens.
Do you know if it's the same on the affluent side? t happens.
Rotary Madness said:
Tsippy said:
Soovy said:
I employ............
The Beretta Silver Pigeon.
Keys are in the hallway, on a hook. That is the first line of defence. The keys are there, Mr Scum. Take them. I am insured. You want the car? Have it. Stay the fk out of my house.
Anyone steps past that key rack, then I will hve no hesitation removing their legs - one barrel for each.
Why aren't you Prime Minister? The Beretta Silver Pigeon.
Keys are in the hallway, on a hook. That is the first line of defence. The keys are there, Mr Scum. Take them. I am insured. You want the car? Have it. Stay the f
k out of my house.Anyone steps past that key rack, then I will hve no hesitation removing their legs - one barrel for each.
Edited by Soovy on Tuesday 22 March 22:15
like the rest of us
geeteeaye said:
R1 Loon said:
Have you seen how easy it is to get rid of that problem with a spray can of Mr Muscle Oven Cleaner? Not a nice sight by any stretch and losing a pet that way is far worse than a lump of metal that's insured.
What a vile sentence to post, true or not.I don't always agree with Loon, but he's 100% right.
Dogs will deter casual burglars (e.g. junkies who want to nick your DVD player to fence for a quick fix). Anyone breaking in specifically wanting your car will come prepared...and won't take "no" for an answer unless you're prepared to use more force than they are.
Solutions:-
1) Don't advertise where you live on a public forum.
2) Don't put geo-tags on photos
3) If your car lives outside, use a visible deterrent and consider one of those big metal poles at the end of your driveway, or some padlockable gates
4) If your car lives in a garage, make sure it's got good security and use the garage every night.
...in other words, make your car more hassle to nick than the same car 2 streets away. It's the old "2 blokes in the desert see a lion" gag - One bends down to tie his laces tight. Other says "you'll never outrun a lion!". First one says "I don't need to, I only need to outrun you".
Dogs will deter casual burglars (e.g. junkies who want to nick your DVD player to fence for a quick fix). Anyone breaking in specifically wanting your car will come prepared...and won't take "no" for an answer unless you're prepared to use more force than they are.
Solutions:-
1) Don't advertise where you live on a public forum.
2) Don't put geo-tags on photos
3) If your car lives outside, use a visible deterrent and consider one of those big metal poles at the end of your driveway, or some padlockable gates
4) If your car lives in a garage, make sure it's got good security and use the garage every night.
...in other words, make your car more hassle to nick than the same car 2 streets away. It's the old "2 blokes in the desert see a lion" gag - One bends down to tie his laces tight. Other says "you'll never outrun a lion!". First one says "I don't need to, I only need to outrun you".
There's sooooo much rubbish being spouted on this thread!
You need to decide what is right for YOU in proportion to your budget and your perception of the risk.
Cars stolen by means of burglary by and large are stolen opportunistically. If there's a car on the drive and they find the keys whilst burgling they'll have the car too as means of escape. Police recover these more often than not.
If your car is targeted by organised thieves (which is rare even with precious metal) then obviously you need to consider security. My preference would be to say 'take the car' and maximise chances of it's recovery and prosecution by those routes. So, good alarm/immobiliser (perhaps a code immobiliser so keys alone are not enough) and a tracker system.
Home securityis a different kettle of fish, IMO: bullet proof glass in a house? They'll just pull the frame out, the window is not a common point of attack. You can make the door as strong as you like, but you also have to make the frame strong and bond it to the wall properly. Bars across the windows? That's taken it too far, IMO. A prison cell is pretty secure, but I don't fancy living in one. My security advice for everyone bar diamond merchants and drug dealers would be:
Ensure doors and windows can be locked and secured shut. Ensure locks are off good standard, and exterior doors are 'kick proof'. Secure outbuildings and tool sheds to prevent easy access to tools.
Ensure your 'perimeter' i.e. Your fences and gates are in good order.
Consider a quality alarm and if you have high value items, an alarm that calls a call centre.
Get to know your neighbours and keep an eye out for each other.
Re 'car key security' consider whether you want the keys in a key pound or safe, or if you'd be happier for them to take the keys and leave. Be sure however that keys are not on the back of a door or within say 10ft of a letterbox, and that they cannot be manipulated through a door.
And as for pets and dogs in particular: if you want one as a pet, go for it. I've spoken to plenty of burglars and in general they won't even consider going into a house with a dog in it. Not worth the risk. And, despite the horrific suggestions in this thread, I have never in 8 years come across or indirectly heard about a dog being killed or injured during a break in.
So: secure it if it can be secured, but in my eyes: Personal safety > Home Security > Car Security....
You need to decide what is right for YOU in proportion to your budget and your perception of the risk.
Cars stolen by means of burglary by and large are stolen opportunistically. If there's a car on the drive and they find the keys whilst burgling they'll have the car too as means of escape. Police recover these more often than not.
If your car is targeted by organised thieves (which is rare even with precious metal) then obviously you need to consider security. My preference would be to say 'take the car' and maximise chances of it's recovery and prosecution by those routes. So, good alarm/immobiliser (perhaps a code immobiliser so keys alone are not enough) and a tracker system.
Home securityis a different kettle of fish, IMO: bullet proof glass in a house? They'll just pull the frame out, the window is not a common point of attack. You can make the door as strong as you like, but you also have to make the frame strong and bond it to the wall properly. Bars across the windows? That's taken it too far, IMO. A prison cell is pretty secure, but I don't fancy living in one. My security advice for everyone bar diamond merchants and drug dealers would be:
Ensure doors and windows can be locked and secured shut. Ensure locks are off good standard, and exterior doors are 'kick proof'. Secure outbuildings and tool sheds to prevent easy access to tools.
Ensure your 'perimeter' i.e. Your fences and gates are in good order.
Consider a quality alarm and if you have high value items, an alarm that calls a call centre.
Get to know your neighbours and keep an eye out for each other.
Re 'car key security' consider whether you want the keys in a key pound or safe, or if you'd be happier for them to take the keys and leave. Be sure however that keys are not on the back of a door or within say 10ft of a letterbox, and that they cannot be manipulated through a door.
And as for pets and dogs in particular: if you want one as a pet, go for it. I've spoken to plenty of burglars and in general they won't even consider going into a house with a dog in it. Not worth the risk. And, despite the horrific suggestions in this thread, I have never in 8 years come across or indirectly heard about a dog being killed or injured during a break in.
So: secure it if it can be secured, but in my eyes: Personal safety > Home Security > Car Security....
Matt UK said:
"Hi John, it's the house here"
"Oh, hiya house, just catching some holiday rays! Oh yes! Everything is well with you I trust?"
"Yeah, John, listen. I'm, erm, sort of getting broken into here"
"What?!?!"
"I'm getting broken into John"
"What, right now?!?! As we speak?!?"
"Yes John, as we speak"
"Can't you do something? Fend them off with a stick? Call the police? Shout for help?"
"No can do John. My instructions are just to give you a call. Just so you're aware of the situation"
"House, I'm in the bloody Maldives!! What can I do from here!?!"
"I'm not really sure. But like I say, I'm just calling you to let you know. Now that he's found your spare car keys, one of them is actually peeing in the sink of the ensuite, right now in fact, in case you were wondering"
"Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Oh, hiya house, just catching some holiday rays! Oh yes! Everything is well with you I trust?"
"Yeah, John, listen. I'm, erm, sort of getting broken into here"
"What?!?!"
"I'm getting broken into John"
"What, right now?!?! As we speak?!?"
"Yes John, as we speak"
"Can't you do something? Fend them off with a stick? Call the police? Shout for help?"
"No can do John. My instructions are just to give you a call. Just so you're aware of the situation"
"House, I'm in the bloody Maldives!! What can I do from here!?!"
"I'm not really sure. But like I say, I'm just calling you to let you know. Now that he's found your spare car keys, one of them is actually peeing in the sink of the ensuite, right now in fact, in case you were wondering"
"Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
read that with the voice of HAL.WeirdNeville said:
And as for pets and dogs in particular: if you want one as a pet, go for it. I've spoken to plenty of burglars and in general they won't even consider going into a house with a dog in it. Not worth the risk. And, despite the horrific suggestions in this thread, I have never in 8 years come across or indirectly heard about a dog being killed or injured during a break in.
You'll note that I said "really want your car & belongings", I have seen this as I work in insurance in the claims area and getting motor, house and pet claims all in one aren't frequent but they do happen.Without fail and with hindsight the owners wish they had let the car be stolen more easily.
geeteeaye said:
R1 Loon said:
Have you seen how easy it is to get rid of that problem with a spray can of Mr Muscle Oven Cleaner? Not a nice sight by any stretch and losing a pet that way is far worse than a lump of metal that's insured.
What a vile sentence to post, true or not.Used to be quite common place for would be burglars to poison pets in South Africa. Their favourite was to feed dogs raw meat laced with rat poison (or something similar).
I guess that these days, they simply shoot them, given that the vast majority of criminals over there appear to be armed to the teeth now.
Never underestimate the actions a desperate person is prepared to take.
When I lived in London, we lived in a lovely converted building plonked down in the middle of a massively deprived area (now it is desirable apparently 
). We had a ground floor flat and the path to the car park at the rear of the flats ran past our windows. We also had a garden. Because we were burgled quite regularly, (although not as much as next door who did not have the pathway) we took massive security steps.
The windows had window locks. We then had steel bars bonded into the plasterwork which had their independed locking mechanism. And then we padlocked them. Took forever to open the french doors into the garden. And the thought of fire terrified me.
The scrotes just removed the entire window and steel bar fittings and made a complete mess of the structure.
However our car was stored several hundred yards away in a secure lockup with individual lockable units in a former multi storey carpark with it's own security and they never found it.
Now I live in the suburbs and we have a mondeo estate and a vectra sitting on the drive. Nobody nicks them (could be tempting fate)
). We had a ground floor flat and the path to the car park at the rear of the flats ran past our windows. We also had a garden. Because we were burgled quite regularly, (although not as much as next door who did not have the pathway) we took massive security steps.The windows had window locks. We then had steel bars bonded into the plasterwork which had their independed locking mechanism. And then we padlocked them. Took forever to open the french doors into the garden. And the thought of fire terrified me.
The scrotes just removed the entire window and steel bar fittings and made a complete mess of the structure.
However our car was stored several hundred yards away in a secure lockup with individual lockable units in a former multi storey carpark with it's own security and they never found it.
Now I live in the suburbs and we have a mondeo estate and a vectra sitting on the drive. Nobody nicks them (could be tempting fate)
Matt UK said:
SEE YA said:
How about a Yale house alarm it phones you if it goes off.
"Hi John, it's the house here""Oh, hiya house, just catching some holiday rays! Oh yes! Everything is well with you I trust?"
"Yeah, John, listen. I'm, erm, sort of getting broken into here"
"What?!?!"
"I'm getting broken into John"
"What, right now?!?! As we speak?!?"
"Yes John, as we speak"
"Can't you do something? Fend them off with a stick? Call the police? Shout for help?"
"No can do John. My instructions are just to give you a call. Just so you're aware of the situation"
"House, I'm in the bloody Maldives!! What can I do from here!?!"
"I'm not really sure. But like I say, I'm just calling you to let you know. Now that he's found your spare car keys, one of them is actually peeing in the sink of the ensuite, right now in fact, in case you were wondering"
"Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Carfiend said:
We need a desolate bit of land on the other side of the planet to send scum too. I am sure this worked well in the past.
This time can we make sure it hasn't got great weather and one of the best coral reefs on the planet...:thinks: South Atlantic, not South Pacific. Somewhere where even the penguins think it's cold.
...or maybe we could rent some of Siberia from the Russians...they're businessmen now, and there's probably a few old Gulag's going spare...
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