Audi ride quality
Discussion
CraigyMc said:
Zod said:
thinfourth2 said:
As only the french understand that a luxury car is completely different to a sportscar
Where as zee germans remove all zee springs to make zee car sporty
Quite how a 2 ton barge can be sporty i will never know
Tell that to Maserati.Where as zee germans remove all zee springs to make zee car sporty
Quite how a 2 ton barge can be sporty i will never know
BRABUS SV12R
Edited by CraigyMc on Wednesday 23 March 23:17
unpc said:
Agreed, every Audi I ever went in was awful. I just don't get the appeal. Their chassis engineers should be taken out and shot.
You should try driving an R8 V10. I guarantee you will change your opinion. I reckon it's the finest all round supercar at any price point south of 200k. It's that good. Not your typical Audi I concede. kambites said:
Even that can't compete with something like a Citroen C6.
Or a C4 for that matter - I hired one recently in Spain and did about 1200 kms in a week on roads varying from broken mountain tracks to brand new motorways.It had a nicer ride quality than my XJ8 and didn't handle too badly either.
In my experience Citroens have always led the suspension and handling stakes. I rather think Rolls Royce I believe they still utilise Citroen suspension in their cars.
The DS was so far advanced beyond other cars in the 1950's it became a legend and has remained a legend. Few cars`could equal its performance in suspension terms even today.
The long acting suspension and variable rate damping is just unbeatable.
Never loved by fleet users because of the costs I still have not found a car which can hold a candle to the Citroens. Unfortunately the economics of mass production mean that many of these features of modern Citroens in the now PSA group with Peugeot leading have resulted in a dumbing down of the Citroen suspension individuality.
Still the best suspension in the World though. Citroen have been quietly winning this battle for over 50 years.
It must say something about the inveterate cussedness of modern car building that most manufacturers simply ignore the advantages.
If you want to read the classic exponent of Citroen and the full reasons why they are right at the top of this pinnacle read the works of L J K Setright. He has been quite outstanding at identifying the benefits.
The DS was so far advanced beyond other cars in the 1950's it became a legend and has remained a legend. Few cars`could equal its performance in suspension terms even today.
The long acting suspension and variable rate damping is just unbeatable.
Never loved by fleet users because of the costs I still have not found a car which can hold a candle to the Citroens. Unfortunately the economics of mass production mean that many of these features of modern Citroens in the now PSA group with Peugeot leading have resulted in a dumbing down of the Citroen suspension individuality.
Still the best suspension in the World though. Citroen have been quietly winning this battle for over 50 years.
It must say something about the inveterate cussedness of modern car building that most manufacturers simply ignore the advantages.
If you want to read the classic exponent of Citroen and the full reasons why they are right at the top of this pinnacle read the works of L J K Setright. He has been quite outstanding at identifying the benefits.
Although I don't own an Audi, my car is built on the same platform as the old S3. While I cannot speak for the S3, my VAG sister car has low, rock hard suspension, 18" wheels and painted-on tyres. The ride is absolutely punishing at low speeds over cracks and bumps! The handling is good though, and the ride smooths out at higher speeds, in fact the whole car is happier at higher speeds than it is at lower ones. However, given the sporting nature of my car I knew what I was getting, but if I bought an Audi that rode like my Cupra R I wouldn't be happy!
From sniffpetrol.com:
"Fresh from developing the independent rear suspension on the new A3 and clever air suspension on its A8, Audi has announced a brand new system for making the ride on its cars even worse. Dubbed Keine Aufhängung, or 'No Suspension', the latest innovation relies on a complex series of linkages, springs and hydraulic actuators being left off the car. As a result the wheels are bolted directly to the body, giving the taut handling and unbearably stiff ride for which modern Audis are famed. 'We had achieved good results for improving handling,' revealed one Ingolstadt source. 'But we were really struggling to make the ride even harsher. Then someone suggested just taking all the suspension off and chucking it away.'
Audi's Keine Aufhängung, to be launched on the A4 next year, is expected to be popular in Germany, where roads are very smooth, and Britain, where people think if a car pushes your spine out through the top of your head, it must be 'sporty'.
On a more serious note, I had an A3 2.0TDI SE and the ride was fine, however my mum had a 2006 A3 Sportback 2.0TDI S-Line and Jesus H Christ... That thing was absolutely rock hard. If you went over a dropped kerb on the way into a petrol station etc it would feel like you just drove over a full height pavement!
"Fresh from developing the independent rear suspension on the new A3 and clever air suspension on its A8, Audi has announced a brand new system for making the ride on its cars even worse. Dubbed Keine Aufhängung, or 'No Suspension', the latest innovation relies on a complex series of linkages, springs and hydraulic actuators being left off the car. As a result the wheels are bolted directly to the body, giving the taut handling and unbearably stiff ride for which modern Audis are famed. 'We had achieved good results for improving handling,' revealed one Ingolstadt source. 'But we were really struggling to make the ride even harsher. Then someone suggested just taking all the suspension off and chucking it away.'
Audi's Keine Aufhängung, to be launched on the A4 next year, is expected to be popular in Germany, where roads are very smooth, and Britain, where people think if a car pushes your spine out through the top of your head, it must be 'sporty'.
On a more serious note, I had an A3 2.0TDI SE and the ride was fine, however my mum had a 2006 A3 Sportback 2.0TDI S-Line and Jesus H Christ... That thing was absolutely rock hard. If you went over a dropped kerb on the way into a petrol station etc it would feel like you just drove over a full height pavement!
NinjaPower said:
From sniffpetrol.com:
"Fresh from developing the independent rear suspension on the new A3 and clever air suspension on its A8, Audi has announced a brand new system for making the ride on its cars even worse. Dubbed Keine Aufhängung, or 'No Suspension', the latest innovation relies on a complex series of linkages, springs and hydraulic actuators being left off the car. As a result the wheels are bolted directly to the body, giving the taut handling and unbearably stiff ride for which modern Audis are famed. 'We had achieved good results for improving handling,' revealed one Ingolstadt source. 'But we were really struggling to make the ride even harsher. Then someone suggested just taking all the suspension off and chucking it away.'
I wonder what would happen if someone actually did this - a car/kart?"Fresh from developing the independent rear suspension on the new A3 and clever air suspension on its A8, Audi has announced a brand new system for making the ride on its cars even worse. Dubbed Keine Aufhängung, or 'No Suspension', the latest innovation relies on a complex series of linkages, springs and hydraulic actuators being left off the car. As a result the wheels are bolted directly to the body, giving the taut handling and unbearably stiff ride for which modern Audis are famed. 'We had achieved good results for improving handling,' revealed one Ingolstadt source. 'But we were really struggling to make the ride even harsher. Then someone suggested just taking all the suspension off and chucking it away.'
You'd need tyres with really high sidewalls to have any sort of purchase (like an F1 car).
I wonder how that would behave....
C
Jaguar steve said:
Or a C4 for that matter - I hired one recently in Spain and did about 1200 kms in a week on roads varying from broken mountain tracks to brand new motorways.
It had a nicer ride quality than my XJ8 and didn't handle too badly either.
Even Jaguars have become firmer over time. My XJ40 on 15" wheels is slightly firmer than a Series 3 and is softer than your XJ8.It had a nicer ride quality than my XJ8 and didn't handle too badly either.
I find very few modern cars ride well. I use a modern BMW as well as my Jaguar. Every slight unevenness jars and thumps in the BMW no matter what the speed, sometimes enough to make me wince and it tramlines too. Travel on the same road in the Jaguar and it will feel like it has been resurfaced; quiet and smooth. Mounting a full sized kerb only produces a mild heaving sensation and slight change of pitch in the Jag. The BMW bounces off with an almighty crash, leaving behind a bit of alloy! It is the SE and is only on 17" wheels, so God knows what it would be like on 19s.
Sister's just got an A1 Sport, rides pretty nicely to be honest, certainly a million times better than her previous, a Grande Punto Sporting.
In fact, we've had a few Audi's and I've never noticed the ride quality being bad in any way. Maybe just the S-Line models or any with massive wheels are bad which would be expected?
In fact, we've had a few Audi's and I've never noticed the ride quality being bad in any way. Maybe just the S-Line models or any with massive wheels are bad which would be expected?
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