RE: Driven: Ferrari FF
Discussion
TomTVR500 said:
I hate to admit it but so often these days i find myself respecting the engineering behind the car and reading about it with a serious expression on my face quietly nodding to myself at all the technical advancements INSTEAD of reading about it with goosebumps smiling to myself feeling excitied at the thought of one day driving one.
I find it incresingly difficult to get excited by modern Supercars and it's a sad admition
Great car Ferrari, not exciting. In my opinion of course.
I agree with you, while I respect Ferrari for their history and their pursuit of speed and excitement I'm not excited by something I will never get a chance to drive. Like being 34 and having a poster of Angelina Jolie on your bedroom wall. And stunning...not really, steering wheel looks dreadful, it is what you would expect from a premium brand but no more. If it was a McLaren or Aston the keyboard assassins would be out in numbers.I find it incresingly difficult to get excited by modern Supercars and it's a sad admition
Great car Ferrari, not exciting. In my opinion of course.
So lets get this straight. This is a Ferrari with poor steering feel and such strong nanny protection that it's virtually impossible to get it to drift - even on snow! Really whats the point in having all that power if you are always prevented from exploring the limits of grip (and exceeding them on occasion!)? For speed just get a bike - thats what bikes are best at. 4x4 should be the reserve of farmers and dudes who offroad.
All I see here is a penis extension - a pretty and beautifully engineered penis extension.
I can't claim to have driven anything as fancy as this so maybe I'm missing something?
All I see here is a penis extension - a pretty and beautifully engineered penis extension.
I can't claim to have driven anything as fancy as this so maybe I'm missing something?
mcdk2 said:
So lets get this straight. This is a Ferrari with poor steering feel and such strong nanny protection that it's virtually impossible to get it to drift - even on snow! Really whats the point in having all that power if you are always prevented from exploring the limits of grip (and exceeding them on occasion!)? For speed just get a bike - thats what bikes are best at. 4x4 should be the reserve of farmers and dudes who offroad.
All I see here is a penis extension - a pretty and beautifully engineered penis extension.
I can't claim to have driven anything as fancy as this so maybe I'm missing something?
Missing something? Possibly. The "poor steering feel" you mention (which in the actual review is described as "a little disappointing perhaps....... In terms of accuracy and sharpness it can't be faulted" so isn't exactly "poor") is in comparison to modern, mid-engined performance cars. Compare it to what 99% of us drive I assume that it feels pretty precise. All I see here is a penis extension - a pretty and beautifully engineered penis extension.
I can't claim to have driven anything as fancy as this so maybe I'm missing something?
The point of having all that power is not to get the back-end out (regardless of what characteristics TopGear rate a car against), it's painfully obvious that the FF is not aimed towards the drifter/track-day/"limits-of-grip" drivers in any way. The only people that will be driving an FF in that way will be reviewers, not customers. I couldn't imagine many (or even any) FF owners taking it to a track weekend instead of the more nimble mid-engine weekend car they no-doubt have in climate-controlled garage number 2.
The FF is a big, heavy executive GT for the financial elite to enjoy. If I were fortunate enough to be in that sector then I'm fairly sure I'd already be on the waiting list and would have a space reserved for it beside a Delta S4 and 037 Stradale. As it stands now, I'll just keep crossing my fingers on Lotto nights.
Like many, I was very surprised when the FF was announced. I think it's great. It looks different and very menacing, it has the grunt and traction to back-up its looks and, as with all Ferraris, it's priced such as to maintain their company prestige. They know exactly what they're doing.
jbforce10 said:
Missing something? Possibly. The "poor steering feel" you mention (which in the actual review is described as "a little disappointing perhaps....... In terms of accuracy and sharpness it can't be faulted" so isn't exactly "poor") is in comparison to modern, mid-engined performance cars. Compare it to what 99% of us drive I assume that it feels pretty precise.
The point of having all that power is not to get the back-end out (regardless of what characteristics TopGear rate a car against), it's painfully obvious that the FF is not aimed towards the drifter/track-day/"limits-of-grip" drivers in any way. The only people that will be driving an FF in that way will be reviewers, not customers. I couldn't imagine many (or even any) FF owners taking it to a track weekend instead of the more nimble mid-engine weekend car they no-doubt have in climate-controlled garage number 2.
The FF is a big, heavy executive GT for the financial elite to enjoy. If I were fortunate enough to be in that sector then I'm fairly sure I'd already be on the waiting list and would have a space reserved for it beside a Delta S4 and 037 Stradale. As it stands now, I'll just keep crossing my fingers on Lotto nights.
Like many, I was very surprised when the FF was announced. I think it's great. It looks different and very menacing, it has the grunt and traction to back-up its looks and, as with all Ferraris, it's priced such as to maintain their company prestige. They know exactly what they're doing.
At last. Someone who gets it.The point of having all that power is not to get the back-end out (regardless of what characteristics TopGear rate a car against), it's painfully obvious that the FF is not aimed towards the drifter/track-day/"limits-of-grip" drivers in any way. The only people that will be driving an FF in that way will be reviewers, not customers. I couldn't imagine many (or even any) FF owners taking it to a track weekend instead of the more nimble mid-engine weekend car they no-doubt have in climate-controlled garage number 2.
The FF is a big, heavy executive GT for the financial elite to enjoy. If I were fortunate enough to be in that sector then I'm fairly sure I'd already be on the waiting list and would have a space reserved for it beside a Delta S4 and 037 Stradale. As it stands now, I'll just keep crossing my fingers on Lotto nights.
Like many, I was very surprised when the FF was announced. I think it's great. It looks different and very menacing, it has the grunt and traction to back-up its looks and, as with all Ferraris, it's priced such as to maintain their company prestige. They know exactly what they're doing.
jbforce10 said:
mcdk2 said:
So lets get this straight. This is a Ferrari with poor steering feel and such strong nanny protection that it's virtually impossible to get it to drift - even on snow! Really whats the point in having all that power if you are always prevented from exploring the limits of grip (and exceeding them on occasion!)? For speed just get a bike - thats what bikes are best at. 4x4 should be the reserve of farmers and dudes who offroad.
All I see here is a penis extension - a pretty and beautifully engineered penis extension.
I can't claim to have driven anything as fancy as this so maybe I'm missing something?
Missing something? Possibly. The "poor steering feel" you mention (which in the actual review is described as "a little disappointing perhaps....... In terms of accuracy and sharpness it can't be faulted" so isn't exactly "poor") is in comparison to modern, mid-engined performance cars. Compare it to what 99% of us drive I assume that it feels pretty precise. All I see here is a penis extension - a pretty and beautifully engineered penis extension.
I can't claim to have driven anything as fancy as this so maybe I'm missing something?
The point of having all that power is not to get the back-end out (regardless of what characteristics TopGear rate a car against), it's painfully obvious that the FF is not aimed towards the drifter/track-day/"limits-of-grip" drivers in any way. The only people that will be driving an FF in that way will be reviewers, not customers. I couldn't imagine many (or even any) FF owners taking it to a track weekend instead of the more nimble mid-engine weekend car they no-doubt have in climate-controlled garage number 2.
The FF is a big, heavy executive GT for the financial elite to enjoy. If I were fortunate enough to be in that sector then I'm fairly sure I'd already be on the waiting list and would have a space reserved for it beside a Delta S4 and 037 Stradale. As it stands now, I'll just keep crossing my fingers on Lotto nights.
Like many, I was very surprised when the FF was announced. I think it's great. It looks different and very menacing, it has the grunt and traction to back-up its looks and, as with all Ferraris, it's priced such as to maintain their company prestige. They know exactly what they're doing.
Do you think that ownership of such a car would be all about showing off or to remind yourself of your financial success in life ie to boost self esteem? If I owned it I would love oggling it from an aesthetic and engineering design point of view. Car shows provide that for me.
For me it doesn't have the purity that a Ferrari should have.
True, but Ferrari 4-seaters (and 4-seaters on the whole) are designed to accommodate 4 people and a bit of luggage. By doing so, optimum performance/handling/balance is already compromised compared to a mid-engined 2-seater. I guess "compromise" would be a bitter pill for me to swallow with an FF costing over £200k, but the majority of FF customers won't be people who have just about saved/borrowed enough to get one. If they're into track days / racing they'll have a focused sports car too and would consider the FF to be the closest performance that they can get to their sports car with the additional benefit of luxury/accommodation/prestige/refinement.
You're right though, bang for the buck a bike is the option for performance. Not sure how many company fat-cats could squeeze themselves into a set of leathers though
You're right though, bang for the buck a bike is the option for performance. Not sure how many company fat-cats could squeeze themselves into a set of leathers though
Edited by jbforce10 on Saturday 26th March 11:57
Absolutely love the looks of this. But then I'm hoping my next car will be a BMW Z3MC so I guess it's in a similar vein. Can't stop looking at that side profile shot. I WANT my supercars to be a bit wacky (not like the new Mclaren. Good though I'm sure it is) and this strikes just the right balance. Not since the Sagaris/T360 have I lusted after a car's looks so much!
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This car (I'll hand it that) is an oddity! It is far from attractive. Has an odd 4x4 design, oh yeah it saves weight or something? Probably some new expensive consumables related to the drivetrain now. I can't imagine people willing to hunch on there way into the back seats. Will they put all season tires on it or will the owners simply notify their Ferrari man they need a set of snows? Z rated tires won't work at all in snow with the widths on this car. The reason I would buy this car is merely for it's irrelevant design - it's oddness. And it really is CR*P.
I'll watch some video reviews and wait to see one in person - maybe my mind will change.
I'll watch some video reviews and wait to see one in person - maybe my mind will change.
PiB said:
This car (I'll hand it that) is an oddity! It is far from attractive. Has an odd 4x4 design, oh yeah it saves weight or something? Probably some new expensive consumables related to the drivetrain now. I can't imagine people willing to hunch on there way into the back seats. Will they put all season tires on it or will the owners simply notify their Ferrari man they need a set of snows? Z rated tires won't work at all in snow with the widths on this car. The reason I would buy this car is merely for it's irrelevant design - it's oddness. And it really is CR*P.
I'll watch some video reviews and wait to see one in person - maybe my mind will change.
I don't understand why people would buy this when there are plenty of good Maseratis about that do it much better.I'll watch some video reviews and wait to see one in person - maybe my mind will change.
Personally its not the Ferrari for me, perhaps i'm old fashioned even though i'm still young (under 30!!), but to me Ferrari's should all have a clear racing pedigree within them, they should be sports cars for the road but cars that have a clear racing lineage none the less.
If you are an Oligarch that wishes to take a flash car with you to Verbier then this will fit the bill perfectly but for anyone else a Range Rover would suffice shortly?!
I miss the Ferrari of old and for me some of the mystic of the brand has been lost what with the launch of Ferrari World in Dubai, the California and now this. I appreciate Ferrari are only a business giving the market what they apparently want, but its this type of "market" that seem to be dictating the future direction of the brand that worries me. I just wish they could have kept something back, I mean why should a Ferrari even try to be all things to all men/woman (4 seats, 4 wheel drive, room for golf clubs etc)?!
Regards,
The old fashioned traditionalist.
If you are an Oligarch that wishes to take a flash car with you to Verbier then this will fit the bill perfectly but for anyone else a Range Rover would suffice shortly?!
I miss the Ferrari of old and for me some of the mystic of the brand has been lost what with the launch of Ferrari World in Dubai, the California and now this. I appreciate Ferrari are only a business giving the market what they apparently want, but its this type of "market" that seem to be dictating the future direction of the brand that worries me. I just wish they could have kept something back, I mean why should a Ferrari even try to be all things to all men/woman (4 seats, 4 wheel drive, room for golf clubs etc)?!
Regards,
The old fashioned traditionalist.
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