RE: Toyota FT-86 II Concept - The Studio Session
Discussion
RobM77 said:
CPDMotorsport said:
Brilliant, I'll just get my time machine and travel back to a time when Toyotas weren't designed for people who's lives revolve around watching Eastenders and complaining about their neighbours bins.
Everyone looks for something different in a car I guess. For example, I don't give a toss about a car's image or styling, and purely go on what it's like to drive, the engineering behind it, reliability, practicailty and cost to buy and run. For example, having driven the competition, I'd take a Yaris over a Fiesta, Corsa or similar (non GTis - just ordinary small cars), because for me, for my criteria, it's a better car. The steering feel's better, the engine has variable valve timing which is far nicer to drive (to me), they do more to the gallon and produce more power.
Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 30th March 14:22
Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
T.K said:
It won't have all the crap on it when it comes out.
I want one and I am going to buy one.
Fair play. Besides, what they've added are intakes and those decompression vents/exit vents a la Ferrari FF both at the front and back. They do over complicate the original design but you could argue that these perform a valid function. Hopefully Toyota are just looking for a 'tasteful' way to incorporate them into the final design. Just think it discredits their original efforts to incorporate other manufacturers' production ideas so late in the day. Why not wait for the MKII release?I want one and I am going to buy one.
CPDMotorsport said:
Well then you aren't a petrol head.... you are just a car buyer. You'de probably be better off just looking at numbers on a spreadsheet to choose your next car rather than taking an interest in the design, creativity, flair and the way it makes you feel.
Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
Did you bother to look at his profile before slinging accusations in his direction? You're really doing a good job of making yourself look like a complete plank.CPDMotorsport said:
Well then you aren't a petrol head.... you are just a car buyer. You'de probably be better off just looking at numbers on a spreadsheet to choose your next car rather than taking an interest in the design, creativity, flair and the way it makes you feel.
Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
So the way it drives doesn't fulfil your criteria of a petrol head in that he takes an interest in how it makes him feel?Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
I think you're talking b
ks mate. Try telling a Gumpert Apollo driver they're not a petrol head. It has a crap design, not much flair but it's one of the best handling and fastest cars in the world.Ordinary cars are boring. Toyota have recently only made ordinary cars - very good, very competent, but just as boring as everybody else's. This is an attempt to make something more interesting - at least their idea of something sporting isn't just a two seat Prius in a frock (Honda, that's a dig at you).
If you don't understand why the show car looks like the road car will do once the Japanese tuning industry has had its way with it, just think about who the show car is meant to impress - this project is about getting younger Japanese (and perhaps American) buyers into showrooms, and the amenability of the car to this kind of thing will be part of the appeal - hopefully the production car will be considerably toned down.
If you don't understand why the show car looks like the road car will do once the Japanese tuning industry has had its way with it, just think about who the show car is meant to impress - this project is about getting younger Japanese (and perhaps American) buyers into showrooms, and the amenability of the car to this kind of thing will be part of the appeal - hopefully the production car will be considerably toned down.
I loved the original red design, it was a superb evolution of the Celica and was on the ol' wish list.
The new black one, with its bling-bling and fussy bodykit makes me think I'm too old for it. Looks like it is aimed at the younger generation with all of its bolt-on bits. As an oldie thirty-something I much prefer the cleaner lines of the original.
Shame really. But at this rate they'll probably never build it anyway. Dear Toyota: Either st, or get off the pot!
The new black one, with its bling-bling and fussy bodykit makes me think I'm too old for it. Looks like it is aimed at the younger generation with all of its bolt-on bits. As an oldie thirty-something I much prefer the cleaner lines of the original.
Shame really. But at this rate they'll probably never build it anyway. Dear Toyota: Either s
t, or get off the pot! Cacatous said:
CPDMotorsport said:
Well then you aren't a petrol head.... you are just a car buyer. You'de probably be better off just looking at numbers on a spreadsheet to choose your next car rather than taking an interest in the design, creativity, flair and the way it makes you feel.
Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
So the way it drives doesn't fulfil your criteria of a petrol head in that he takes an interest in how it makes him feel?Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
I think you're talking b
ks mate. Try telling a Gumpert Apollo driver they're not a petrol head. It has a crap design, not much flair but it's one of the best handling and fastest cars in the world.You've cleary never actually designed anything. Toyotas are dull comitee designed white goods.
I don't know why everyone is frapping over a concept of a RWD Jap coupe that isn't even in production yet. If you want a RWD Jap coupe go and buy a Nissan 370Z, they look bloody fabulous and are in dealership right now.... actually for sale.... not in some pie-in-the-sky photography studio.
or an RX8 or MX5 or S2000 or NSX or 350Z or any of the miriad already out there.
Edited by CPDMotorsport on Thursday 31st March 13:59
CPDMotorsport said:
RobM77 said:
CPDMotorsport said:
Brilliant, I'll just get my time machine and travel back to a time when Toyotas weren't designed for people who's lives revolve around watching Eastenders and complaining about their neighbours bins.
Everyone looks for something different in a car I guess. For example, I don't give a toss about a car's image or styling, and purely go on what it's like to drive, the engineering behind it, reliability, practicailty and cost to buy and run. For example, having driven the competition, I'd take a Yaris over a Fiesta, Corsa or similar (non GTis - just ordinary small cars), because for me, for my criteria, it's a better car. The steering feel's better, the engine has variable valve timing which is far nicer to drive (to me), they do more to the gallon and produce more power.
Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 30th March 14:22
Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
I do see your point though, very much so, I come from a family of artists and designers and I do love good design on things - I'm hugely fussy when it comes to buying stuff for my house, clothes, technology etc. However, the blokey side of me loves driving cars so much that how a car drives and is engineered predominates over the design aspects. The thing with cars is that there's so much to them, that no two cars are alike, and I couldn't bring myself to buy an inferior car just because it was beautiful. I would do that for a kettle or maybe even a television, but not a car.Paul O said:
I loved the original red design, it was a superb evolution of the Celica and was on the ol' wish list.
The new black one, with its bling-bling and fussy bodykit makes me think I'm too old for it. Looks like it is aimed at the younger generation with all of its bolt-on bits. As an oldie thirty-something I much prefer the cleaner lines of the original.
Shame really. But at this rate they'll probably never build it anyway. Dear Toyota: Either st, or get off the pot!
...For the last time some people! Stop comparing it the Darn Celica’s!, what do you think the working title FT86 comes from !, AE86, as in Infamous RWD Corolla GT/Levin Hachi-Roku, call it what you will!.The new black one, with its bling-bling and fussy bodykit makes me think I'm too old for it. Looks like it is aimed at the younger generation with all of its bolt-on bits. As an oldie thirty-something I much prefer the cleaner lines of the original.
Shame really. But at this rate they'll probably never build it anyway. Dear Toyota: Either s
t, or get off the pot! Its meant to be the recantation of the Infamous AE86 Hachi-Roku !
It rwd also!
RobM77 said:
CPDMotorsport said:
RobM77 said:
CPDMotorsport said:
Brilliant, I'll just get my time machine and travel back to a time when Toyotas weren't designed for people who's lives revolve around watching Eastenders and complaining about their neighbours bins.
Everyone looks for something different in a car I guess. For example, I don't give a toss about a car's image or styling, and purely go on what it's like to drive, the engineering behind it, reliability, practicailty and cost to buy and run. For example, having driven the competition, I'd take a Yaris over a Fiesta, Corsa or similar (non GTis - just ordinary small cars), because for me, for my criteria, it's a better car. The steering feel's better, the engine has variable valve timing which is far nicer to drive (to me), they do more to the gallon and produce more power.
Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 30th March 14:22
Life is too precious and short to waste it falling into a coma while driving the worlds dullest car.
I do see your point though, very much so, I come from a family of artists and designers and I do love good design on things - I'm hugely fussy when it comes to buying stuff for my house, clothes, technology etc. However, the blokey side of me loves driving cars so much that how a car drives and is engineered predominates over the design aspects. The thing with cars is that there's so much to them, that no two cars are alike, and I couldn't bring myself to buy an inferior car just because it was beautiful. I would do that for a kettle or maybe even a television, but not a car.I have spent my career 'designing' for all sorts of companies (currently in F1), 'styling' is just very very minor part of the design and to my mind fairly irrelevant... as with the Gumpert Apollo were people have called it a 'poor design', no the 'design' is amazing, the 'styling' is somewhat dividing.
Toyotas are designed with no vision, no pssion, no art. They are just white goods for making money and that (if people keep buying them) is what will kill creativity in the car industry.
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