RE: Porsche Panamera Turbo S Revealed
Discussion
Beefmeister said:
Jagdave said:
Okay Jaguar, time to step up with a real XJR. Grace, Space and Pace aplenty................
Drive an XJ Supersports.Stunningly fast and capable, and I think much prettier than the Panamera, as much as I like it.
http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servle...
It's a proper 4/5 seater, and does the job of the Panam/Rapide for much less money.
Mr Dave said:
British Beef said:
Great engineering ?? - Add 4wd, twin turbos adaptive suspensions etc etc and any car will go quick. Make it fatter and you could fit 4 seats.
All adds weight (dulling driving) and adds bulk (resulting in the turd profile).
Great Engineering would probably mean how the suspension is engineered, how the turbos are engineered, how the 4wd is engineered.All adds weight (dulling driving) and adds bulk (resulting in the turd profile).
Not what specifications the car is designed to meet.
In that regard, Im sure the Panamera turbo S is well engineered, as have been every Porsche Ive been in.
However as a whole the car is too heavy to be good at what it should be good at - driving. It seems Jaguar and Porsche are trying to swap car ideals, Jag now makes lighter, cheaper and better driving saloon cars, the XFR is a better engineered solution as a whole>>
- Better drivers car (apparently)
- Similar power (500bhp vs 540bhp),
- 300kg lighter,
- 5 seats,
- equal luxury,
- better comfort
- better looking
and
- costs 1/2 the porsche.
Lil' Joe said:
+1 What are you waffling on about? Have you been in a Pan Am turbo??
Yes i have. Granted, it was just the 'normal' Turbo and yes it was quick, tho subjectively at least it didn't feel any quicker than say an AMG Merc. I also did a 60-100mph race against it on my bike and I left it behind, and that hasn't been the case with the 997 Turbo or even an M5.
Further, if you read my post carefully I was simply saying that it was overpriced for the performance you get and that unless they are going to release something that does 0-60 in under 3secs, I don't think its much to get that excited about.
And "Pan Am?" Seriously? Are we all twelve year old chavvy girls now?
Tim16V said:
The Panamera looks good on the road - tremendous prescence that seems to strangely disguise it's awkwardness that is so apparent in photos.
Hmm, oddly I'd say the opposite. I think it looks OK in (some) pictures, but on the road it just looks huge and that makes it look even more disproportioned. Hmmm
I wonder.
There is a rule that states that big fast saloon cars shed value frighteningly quick.
£60k M5s are now £20k ish
Jag XJR s something similar
S class AMG mercs can be bought for humble money (relatively speaking)
Cant help but think what one of these will be worth in 4/5 years time with 70k miles on it?
Anyone care to put their neck on the line?
I wonder.
There is a rule that states that big fast saloon cars shed value frighteningly quick.
£60k M5s are now £20k ish
Jag XJR s something similar
S class AMG mercs can be bought for humble money (relatively speaking)
Cant help but think what one of these will be worth in 4/5 years time with 70k miles on it?
Anyone care to put their neck on the line?
ArmaghMan said:
Cant help but think what one of these will be worth in 4/5 years time with 70k miles on it?
Anyone care to put their neck on the line?
I suspect it wont devalue as badly as the others because it will remain rarer. If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say 50k in 4-5 years time? Maybe 40k if someone has chosen a really stupid set of options/colours. Anyone care to put their neck on the line?
ArmaghMan said:
There is a rule that states that big fast saloon cars shed value frighteningly quick.
Cant help but think what one of these will be worth in 4/5 years time with 70k miles on it?
Anyone care to put their neck on the line?
Just look at early Cayenne prices for a clue. You can early Turbos for the low 10's. Same % drop will apply.Cant help but think what one of these will be worth in 4/5 years time with 70k miles on it?
Anyone care to put their neck on the line?
Why? Huge running costs. And FUGLY. Although I think the facelift Cayenne is a bit more normal looking.
Edited by angusc43 on Wednesday 30th March 23:12
Edited by angusc43 on Wednesday 30th March 23:14
These cars look w@nk in the flesh. However when you roll into one drunk and someone you've never met bundles you home from the cocktail bar at warp factor 9 in utter comfort you'd be surprised what you'll forgive.
Squashed Cayenne maybe
Ballistic motherf
ker- for sure.
They're great, on lease at $800 a month and fk everything else.
Squashed Cayenne maybe
Ballistic motherf
ker- for sure.They're great, on lease at $800 a month and f
k everything else.
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