The 207 GTi

[SteveS Cup]

adycav said:

One of those cars that everyone slags off, but is probably quite good? A good all-round practical car for the money?

This.

[Chrisw666]

adycav said:

A good all-round practical car for the money?

I would guess so. I had a normal 207 for about 4 weeks and it was very practical, not uncomfortable just some build niggles (but it was a hire car so could have been mistreated) and the lack of power stopped it being a good everyday car.

Assuming the GTI adds a bit of handling (or steering feel) into the mix along with its good engine then it seems to be a cracking basis for a do it all car. Chavs won't want to race you, it won't rape you at the pumps, will be comfortable, you can fit the kids in, you can go on holiday in it, it won't be a PITA to park, and if you want to you can go a bit quickly.

It probably isn't the best at everything, maybe even anything. But IMO it comes closer than lots of cars that a potential buyer would be looking at, it just isn't quite a great car.

[HellDiver]

As usual 300hp/ton totally misses the point and suggests a load of cars that are either in a totally different class, or are just plain rubbish.

Old, old Civic? Smart (expensive rebadged Colt)? Rover 45?

I think I'd rather have a 207, with it's modern design, modern engines, and it's high reliability results, than ANY of the cars suggested.

[SteveS Cup]

300bhp/ton said:

Doogz, sometimes I really like you. Other times you can be a real PITA. I knownthat you know what a Cat D, so why dress it up as you did?

I don't know the car, but it could be something as simple as stolen recovered and written off by the insurers.

And as said, £6k 207 GTI's seem thin on the ground. Most seem to be £7.5-8.5k, which is firmly in MPS price range.

Oh and did you miss the Colt? I suspect you didn't, just a shame you couldn't find it possible for a postive comment.


Maybe next time
:thumbsup:

I know about Cat D's... could be a great car, but it's been paid out on already by insurers! They won't pay out again anywhere near what you've paid for it.

I missed the Colt in my reply but hey, it's not on the same level as the pug imo.

[trickywoo]

MSTRBKR said:

Or one with 42,000 miles for £5395.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2272533.htm

Not cheap enough for cat D.

[Chrisw666]

300bhp/ton said:

Here's one for you and doogz, as in newer. I really like these, Evo gave them a good write up too:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2603325.htm

Have you driven one?

They are not especially practical, don't handle with great aplomb, are thirsty little things, and look a bit funny (granted so do most cars).

[SteveS Cup]

trickywoo said:

MSTRBKR said:

Or one with 42,000 miles for £5395.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2272533.htm

Not cheap enough for cat D.

I hate the fact the "Cat D on Hpi" has been slipped in there with no explanation at all. Boo.

[HellDiver]

Same as the current model Lancer. Drives like something from the 80s. The previous model Lancer is like a timewarp, it's like driving a Mk2 Rover 200 (the early 90's square one).

Bitsosushi do not make good cars, don't compare them with Evos.

[EDLT]

I've driven a 207 GT, and it was an OK car. For what you pay (used) there isn't much competition and having read a few reviews it seems like the biggest problem with the 207 GTi is that it wasn't a 205 GTi.

I prepped quite a few normal 207s at my last job, they still suffer from little electrical gremlins (one had a seatbelt warning light that insisted there was someone in the passenger seat) and bits of loose trim. No massive, car stopping problems though.

[Chrisw666]

300bhp/ton said:

Btw the ZS is not a 45

Eh.

[DS3R]

300bhp/ton said:

No probs.

But looking at the PH classifieds under Pug 207 searching GTI for a max of 6500 only shows up 2 cars. Both 2007. So let's face it, £6k is a stretch for these, if you wanted newer and slower there are options. Which is a valid combo from my previous reply.

I don't restrict my searching to the PH classifieds. Even AT shows up several from dealers at 6 or just above on 57's with low miles.

300bhp/ton said:

Also let's face it. A 2007 model is out of warranty. So I think it's fair to argue that running a 2002-2005 car would not represent any more of a risk in terms of reliabilty or durability.

Subjectively yes, I agree. Having said that the older the car, the higher the likelihood of problems- if you're being subjective then so am I!

300bhp/ton said:

This is a cat D, so not to everyone's taste, although often shunned due to lack of knowledge. But I think it's more car for your money. There are other non Cat D examples at similar money to most of the 207 GTI's if you have scope above £6k

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2666675.htm

A good find- priced down to reflect the history- non-Cat D's are from 6.5k from what I can see. However the Pug is tax band I (£210/ year) the MPS costs £435/ year to tax, which will only go up. So ownership of an MPS is £225/ year towards Dave's Big Society before the poor fuel economy s taken into account, that's not considering the effect higher tax bands WILL have on second hand values before too long. It would be hard to shift in the future that's for sure...

300bhp/ton said:

For a lot less money and a similar age, certainly no more of anrisky purchase than a 207:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2348821.htm

Of couse it's a lot less money. It's not a comparable vehicle in any way.

300bhp/ton said:

Bit of haggling and a car 10x better than the Pug:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2693832.htm

Ten times better? On what basis? Also it's a question of turbo vs N/A, so really not sure how it compares...

300bhp/ton said:

Here's one for you and doogz, as in newer. I really like these, Evo gave them a good write up too:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2603325.htm

Will depreciate like a stone. Quirky yes, which also means oddball and hard to sell.

300bhp/ton said:

Same sort of age as the Pug:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2176404.htm

A rare car! For a reason...

300bhp/ton said:

Couple of other similar priced and aged alternatives:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2131136.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2606156.htm

A 182 is too old. As another poster has said, spend a few quid on one yes, but 5k+? No, it's too old. I'm surprised the 197's are that low. But 7k is not 6. And if you want to talk 7k, you may as well put in 8, or 9, or....

[300bhp/ton]

doogz said:

300bhp/ton said:

Doogz, sometimes I really like you. Other times you can be a real PITA.

Ditto

300bhp/ton said:

I don't know the car, but it could be something as simple as stolen recovered and written off by the insurers.

And as said, £6k 207 GTI's seem thin on the ground. Most seem to be £7.5-8.5k, which is firmly in MPS price range.

Oh and did you miss the Colt? I suspect you didn't, just a shame you couldn't find it possible for a postive comment.


Maybe next time
:thumbsup:

No, i didn't miss the Colt, you were adamant there were a great many cars that could be had for £6k, that would be better, quicker, more reliable etc, than a 207, and you've yet to show us even one, in budget, or the right age range.

As the PH classifieds only have one 207 at that money. I don't think it's truly fair to expect me to find loads of alternatives meeting that criteria either. I've supplied some that certainly fulfil what I claimed originally. And if you up the budget to something more reasonable for the Pug then it opens the door to a lot more.

As I said before, I'm not saying it's a bad car. I just fail to see where it would ever be the best answer. I mean what sense is there in saying I want a car, most important criteria are 2007 or newer and £6k. Must be fast and fun.

What gain does a 2007 car truly have over a 2005 car?? None that I can tell. Condition and spec would be far more important to me.

[Chrisw666]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...

That looks reasonable value to me, 150hp GT, 2008 - 08, under 15k miles, and £6495 from a main dealer before a haggle.

[DS3R]

doogz said:

That's lovely, but the OP isn't terribly bothered about what is important to you. He's bothered about what's important to him, so there's not really much point in suggesting stuff you know doesn't meet his criteria, i.e. over budget, and old.

And the OP wondered if the 207 GTi was worth a punt as they are available from 6k, and not a lot more than that...

General consensus appears to be "yes", noting they have (only seem to have) the same issues as the Mini has with that engine. Which is a surprise to me, I thought Mini's must be made of solid gold given their residuals and the way owners speak of them.

[va1o]

Chrisw666 said:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...

That looks reasonable value to me, 150hp GT, 2008 - 08, under 15k miles, and £6495 from a main dealer before a haggle.

Was just about to post the same car. Looks good, could probably haggle down to about 6.2k

[Chrisw666]

va1o said:

Chrisw666 said:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...

That looks reasonable value to me, 150hp GT, 2008 - 08, under 15k miles, and £6495 from a main dealer before a haggle.

Was just about to post the same car. Looks good, could probably haggle down to about 6.2k

At the minute I am set on buying something impractical and fun, but I shall be showing that to SWMBO this evening and might make a call as her KA is getting tired.

[EDLT]

Someone recommended a Mitsubishi Colt, don't bother. They are cheap because they are just a bit rubbish.

[Rammy76]

I don't mind them to be honest. The typical gaping Peugeot family front end isn't for everyone but otherwise I don't think they're as bad as people make out. They certainly seem good value for money and the interior (not a GTI one admittedly) seemed a nice enough place to be.
They kind of remind me of my Focus ST170 i.e. never quite "made it" as a hot hatch in many people's eyes but in their favour they are a bit rarer and cheaper because of this.

Nice little looker?



Interior is nice enough...

[anonymous-user]

SteveS Cup said:

trickywoo said:

MSTRBKR said:

Or one with 42,000 miles for £5395.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2272533.htm

Not cheap enough for cat D.

I hate the fact the "Cat D on Hpi" has been slipped in there with no explanation at all. Boo.

Ouch I didn't read the advert at all, it was just a quick example. Indeed it is not cheap enough.

[Dan Friel]

I owned a 207 RC (gti in the UK). Was perfect for my needs, and half the list price of a Cooper S. Nothing ever broke and quite happy to be used as a "normal" everyday car with the potential to take on track (which I did). More warm than hot I'd suggest, but that'll suit a lot of people.

(and great seats, think they're being used in the DS3)