RE: New M5 Gets Show Debut In Shanghai

[unpc]

Mermaid said:

gforceg said:

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Wouldn't a four wheel drive version just be pitching them down into Audi country?

sort of, but the BMW will have passion.

Passion? Really? I suppose it's all relative next to the joyless offerings from Audi but I'd hardly accuse a German car company of passion.

[Matt UK]

That is a big old beast. I'm sure it will handle but I can't help wonder if this car is bigger than the 7 was of 10 years ago (I can't be bothered to wiki right now)

[kambites]

Looks much like you'd expect - a slight beefed up 5-series.

Predictable, dull and probably very, very good.

[SR06]

What an angry looking waggon!

Probably weighs the same as a small moon...so for that reason "I'm out"

[SR06]

unpc said:

Passion? Really? I suppose it's all relative next to the joyless offerings from Audi but I'd hardly accuse a German car company of passion.

You need to talk to an 'M' engineer if you want to hear "passion". They are so proud of their M-Products. And so they should be, they put a lot of hard work into their products - As do Quattro GmbH and AMG.

[3000GT ANT]

Looks errr ........like most M's boring!! at least have a more out there colour!

[r1ch]

3000GT ANT said:

Looks errr ........like most M's boring!! at least have a more out there colour!

Good first post. Sort of agree.

[scoopz]

Where have you got the performance figures from? As far as I'm aware this info still hasn't been released by BMW who never release performance figures for "concept" models and all information flying around the interwebs at the moment is speculation and guess work.

If you do have a genuine source for the performance figures though please let me know, if they are the real figures I'm surprised.

[iOversteer]

"Start stop technology", on an engine with two turbochargers. That is a recipe for an expensive warranty claim

[PhantomPH]

You can keep the 'start/stop' thing (can it be disabled by the driver?), but otherwise that is a fab looking thing. Love it.

[Zod]

Big E 118 said:

"although the mildly pumped wheel arches are actually a departure for M cars, which don't usually feature reprofiled bodywork"

Really?

It is a departure for M5s not for M3s.

[Zod]

Mermaid said:

"and aluminium should help to keep the weight of the new F10 model roughly on a par with the old E60 version, despite the new car being larger"

The E60 is 6 inches wider, and 2 incher longer than the E28. How much more girth will the new one add?

Have you looked at an E28 recently? It looks extraodinarily narrow.

[iOversteer]

PhantomPH said:

You can keep the 'start/stop' thing (can it be disabled by the driver?), but otherwise that is a fab looking thing. Love it.

Yes, you can disable the system.

[AlpinaB5s]

iOversteer said:

"Start stop technology", on an engine with two turbochargers. That is a recipe for an expensive warranty claim

Id say it more of a starter motor issue. That will take some hamering.

With the turbos, I assume they don't spool up until required which isn't when the engine is started.

[Zod]

iOversteer said:

PhantomPH said:

You can keep the 'start/stop' thing (can it be disabled by the driver?), but otherwise that is a fab looking thing. Love it.

Yes, you can disable the system.

Can't see a problem with it. Around town it won't disturb you, but will boost economy. On the motorway or on a hoon it won't kick in.

[iOversteer]

Zod said:

Can't see a problem with it. Around town it won't disturb you, but will boost economy. On the motorway or on a hoon it won't kick in.

I was refering to, someone driving in a PH manor (on boost, sideways etc) and then suddenly has to pull up at a set of traffic lights (for example). The turbo chargers will still be spinning, then the engine shuts off as does the oil supply. Leaving two expensive BMW turbos spinning with no oil supply

[Zod]

iOversteer said:

Zod said:

Can't see a problem with it. Around town it won't disturb you, but will boost economy. On the motorway or on a hoon it won't kick in.

I was refering to, someone driving in a PH manor (on boost, sideways etc) and then suddenly has to pull up at a set of traffic lights (for example). The turbo chargers will still be spinning, then the engine shuts off as does the oil supply. Leaving two expensive BMW turbos spinning with no oil supply

I think they may have thought about that.

[kambites]

iOversteer said:

Zod said:

Can't see a problem with it. Around town it won't disturb you, but will boost economy. On the motorway or on a hoon it won't kick in.

I was refering to, someone driving in a PH manor (on boost, sideways etc) and then suddenly has to pull up at a set of traffic lights (for example). The turbo chargers will still be spinning, then the engine shuts off as does the oil supply. Leaving two expensive BMW turbos spinning with no oil supply

Stop-start systems have quite a lot of input parameters which they use to decide whether to shut the engine down. I suspect the majority of cars with stop-start systems are turbocharged, so it's hardly a new problem to overcome.

I've never understood the dislike of stop-start systems. They have pretty much no draw-backs, in my experience.

[AlpinaB5s]

Zod said:

iOversteer said:

Zod said:

Can't see a problem with it. Around town it won't disturb you, but will boost economy. On the motorway or on a hoon it won't kick in.

I was refering to, someone driving in a PH manor (on boost, sideways etc) and then suddenly has to pull up at a set of traffic lights (for example). The turbo chargers will still be spinning, then the engine shuts off as does the oil supply. Leaving two expensive BMW turbos spinning with no oil supply

I think they may have thought about that.

Indeed, the Alpina D3 Bi-turbo (engine from the 123d) has stop start technology and I've heard of no cases of turbo failure (yet)

[Dagnut]

iOversteer said:

Zod said:

Can't see a problem with it. Around town it won't disturb you, but will boost economy. On the motorway or on a hoon it won't kick in.

I was refering to, someone driving in a PH manor (on boost, sideways etc) and then suddenly has to pull up at a set of traffic lights (for example). The turbo chargers will still be spinning, then the engine shuts off as does the oil supply. Leaving two expensive BMW turbos spinning with no oil supply

It's like that old chestnut the turbo timer, completely unnecessary yet people still fit them to modern turbo cars...only takes a couple of seconds for the turbo's to slow their spin to a harmless level ,so unless you were hammering the car and pulled up to a complete halt in 2 seconds you're not going to have a problem