RE: Hot Mugen Honda CR-Z Spec Revealed

[XitUp]

black pipebandit said:

think think you need to check your stats..

honda market it as a 'sport hybrid coupe'


I think they should have supercharged it from the start..

1. What they call it isn't a stat. Also, so what? They can call it what they want, it's not a sports car.
2. You should get onto Honda with all your great ideas, I'm sure they'd love to hear them.

[anonymous-user]

XitUp said:

1. What they call it isn't a stat. Also, so what? They can call it what they want, it's not a sports car.
2. You should get onto Honda with all your great ideas, I'm sure they'd love to hear them.

my argument wasn't with you, just the fact that this car, like the original could have been a great car, not just a icar..

As I understand it retails for around 17.5k so a mugan is looking at 25k, just doesn't seem right..

[RobCrezz]

I like it! But it will most likely be too expensive.

[XitUp]

black pipebandit said:

my argument wasn't with you, just the fact that this car, like the original could have been a great car, not just a icar..

As I understand it retails for around 17.5k so a mugan is looking at 25k, just doesn't seem right..

I'd agree with that. I'd rather see more revs than a SC though, you've got the electric motor for low down torque.

[havoc]

doogz said:

havoc said:

As an aside saw someone commuting in the original Insight today. He was slipstreaming an HGV...and probably getting 100mpg!

...and I genuinely fail to see how the CR-Z is an improvement on that original car in any way.

Do you mean you don't see how the CRZ is better than the Insight?

Driven them both? It becomes pretty obvious.

Not driven the CR-Z (sat in one - the dash, while all fancy and fashionable, was an ergonomic nightmare and rear-viz was almost non-existent - WHERE have Honda gone wrong in the last 10 years???), but have driven an Insight...and while it's no sports car it's genuinely entertaining - decent feedback, good throttle-response, and a reasonably agile chassis. Plus it's not "over-tyred" as all modern cars are, so you feel like you're involved in the process of driving quickly.

If the CR-Z is like its bigger brother, then it'll be over-tyred, have too-stiff a front-end and be less adjustable than the old car. Yes you'll cover ground a lot quicker in the new car...but is that the point??? I just came back cross-country from Berkshire and I could easily have done all the roads (traffic permitting) at licence-losing speeds in the ITR...which is now 12y.o. and runs narrower rubber than the CR-Z.



Johnny - thought it was a darker one, but yes, southbound on the M40 early this morning near Banbury. 127mpg is awesome...

[JonnyVTEC]

CRZ drops nicely between Integra land ( I had a DC2 SiR-G before) and the Insight Gen1 I have now IMO from my test drive. That said a new CRZ probably has a component advantage over the 165k miles Insight!

[JuniorJet]

I can't decide if I like it or not...

I am really interested to see if they can manage to do a Porsche 918; giving it the performance, while also ON PAPER- looking all "eco-friendly" and "fuel efficient" at really low revs.

If they can do this, then massive thumbs up to it because then technically the running costs will be quite low... right up until the point where you boot it

[Johnboy Mac]

RobCrezz said:

I like it! But it will most likely be too expensive.

+1

and it doesn't need the body kit.

[The fatboy]

hot but still ugly with mods, saw the normal version on road, i hate the rear.

[Stu R]

Good to see the possibilities explored, but this is still way wide of the mark. It's ugly as sin for starters.

[KM666]

Wasn't there something like that in GT5?

[traffman]

All i would do is to purchase a crz and fit a ka20 vtec unit in it.

But then there would be problems mating the electronics to the retrofitted engine.

[Fatman2]

It's an already great handling car IMHO. Not quite an EP3 CTR but great fun all the same and will no doubt be better once Mugen breathe over it.

198BHP isn't much but is in the same ball park (BHP/Tonne wise) with the Focus RS, Megane 250 and Astra VXR. Being almost 200kg lighter I can imagine it will feel noticably more nimble too so could be interesting.

The only downside is that Honda should be producing one of these in addition to the warm CR-Z. On it's own the CR-Z is soon to be the only sporty car Honda sells so is very sad.

[Alex]

Will the hybrid powertrain survive a day pounding round a track?

[Ed.]

Is it ok to moan that they should use a bigger electric motor, why not use a 50bhp+ motor like toyota? The bigger, heavier prius has been getting better mpg than the civic for years.

[JonnyVTEC]

Ed. said:

Is it ok to moan that they should use a bigger electric motor, why not use a 50bhp+ motor like toyota? The bigger, heavier prius has been getting better mpg than the civic for years.

Not in the real world - same story with the insight 2. They all largely give similar numbers.

The fact the Prius has the higher pure EV capability from that larger motor (total system circa 130kg over the Civics 60kg ish) is the exact reason there is a bigger deviation between its 'cheated' NEDC and real world use.

[poo at Paul's]

One of our guys has a stock one, it's pitifully cheap inside, and he is getting an average 35mpg out of it. Best he has had is only 48mpg on an A/B road run. On motorways, it is v poor fuel wise.

[JonnyVTEC]

poo at Paul's said:

One of our guys has a stock one, it's pitifully cheap inside, and he is getting an average 35mpg out of it. Best he has had is only 48mpg on an A/B road run. On motorways, it is v poor fuel wise.

What did he have before and what was that returning on I assume the similar route/commute?

[mizx]

KM666 said:

Wasn't there something like that in GT5?

That was the Spoon CR-Z http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GsAs6iJMLw

traffman said:

All i would do is to purchase a crz and fit a ka20 vtec unit in it.

But then there would be problems mating the electronics to the retrofitted engine.

It has been done http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmOffqwWrJU

[JonnyVTEC]

Looks like the next Gen CRZ could be better based on the 2012 Civic hybrid. Smaller lighter lithium pack that can add 23bhp and the Civic now uses a lower output version of the same 1.5.