RE: Porsche Panamera Pushes The (Range) Envelope
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If you compare it to a 911 or a Panamera Turbo, it's indeed a boring car.
But if you compare it to a 525d or an A6, it's not.
Just the price is pretty high, but they'll no doubt sell s
tloads of them.
These could be good seconhand buys in a couple of years.
Oh and the designer of those badges should either get recognition for his comedy genius or be shot.
But if you compare it to a 525d or an A6, it's not.
Just the price is pretty high, but they'll no doubt sell s
tloads of them. These could be good seconhand buys in a couple of years.Oh and the designer of those badges should either get recognition for his comedy genius or be shot.
I don't get it?PhantomPH said:
Almost exactly what I was going to post. Well done!
We live in a world where (rightly or wrongly) being able to say you have a car capable of doing good MPG appeals to the retards (said in a 'The Hangover' style) who don't understand the complexities of consumption and pollution. By Porsche producing and selling this model, they can carry on producing and selling the GT3 RS 4.0. Which in my book is a good thing.
If Porsche suddenly stopped making anything but the Cayenne and the Panamera, THEN people can moan.
I wouldn't even say it's "retards". I'd love to have good MPG. My car is costing me a bloody fortune in fuel and it's getting worse. To the point where I've often considered selling.We live in a world where (rightly or wrongly) being able to say you have a car capable of doing good MPG appeals to the retards (said in a 'The Hangover' style) who don't understand the complexities of consumption and pollution. By Porsche producing and selling this model, they can carry on producing and selling the GT3 RS 4.0. Which in my book is a good thing.
If Porsche suddenly stopped making anything but the Cayenne and the Panamera, THEN people can moan.
What Porsche have done here is make the nice comfy exotic looking sports car with all the comforts of the Turbo, but that can do 750 miles (!!!!) between fill ups. That's bloody impressive.
As you rightly say though - it means they can continue to make the RS / Turbo 911s of this world, so all is well.
JonnyVTEC said:
Yes, comfortably. 6.0 seconds.
Note to self: modern cars are seriously fast.I was giving it full beans in my '72 911 away from a roundabout on the A50 on Sunday and the XF in front (they all seem to be diesels) comfortably kept ahead of me and didn't even look like it was trying.
This makes the constant 45mph dawdling that seems to be endemic on NSL A-roads all the more aggrovating.
LayZ said:
Note to self: modern cars are seriously fast.
I was giving it full beans in my '72 911 away from a roundabout on the A50 on Sunday and the XF in front (they all seem to be diesels) comfortably kept ahead of me and didn't even look like it was trying.
This makes the constant 45mph dawdling that seems to be endemic on NSL A-roads all the more aggrovating.
So who was having most fun?I was giving it full beans in my '72 911 away from a roundabout on the A50 on Sunday and the XF in front (they all seem to be diesels) comfortably kept ahead of me and didn't even look like it was trying.
This makes the constant 45mph dawdling that seems to be endemic on NSL A-roads all the more aggrovating.
PhantomPH said:
TonyHetherington said:
Why the negativity?
The Panamera has a very specific role; cross country people moving in comfort. A diesel version is a logical extension of that.
Ok the badge is horrid, I'll certainly give you that, and I've never been a fan of the Panamera's shape. But doing what it's meant to do; cross continent blasting, I'm sure it's superb.
Almost exactly what I was going to post. Well done!The Panamera has a very specific role; cross country people moving in comfort. A diesel version is a logical extension of that.
Ok the badge is horrid, I'll certainly give you that, and I've never been a fan of the Panamera's shape. But doing what it's meant to do; cross continent blasting, I'm sure it's superb.
We live in a world where (rightly or wrongly) being able to say you have a car capable of doing good MPG appeals to the retards (said in a 'The Hangover' style) who don't understand the complexities of consumption and pollution. By Porsche producing and selling this model, they can carry on producing and selling the GT3 RS 4.0. Which in my book is a good thing.
If Porsche suddenly stopped making anything but the Cayenne and the Panamera, THEN people can moan.
If this car helps the Porsche, and so in turn helps the 911 then I'm all for it, doesn't mean I have to like the car itself though...
The sad thing is that in twenty years time, this car will not be collectable. It's just another diesel and not even the best in its class. I can't see anyone hankering after one which is dissapointing, given than most old Porsches become a legend and are covetted.
My 928GT is now 18 years old and I get a sense of occasion every time I drive it - it's special and it's been built that way. This car changes the trend and put Porsche in the same market as Ford and Vauxhall with mass manufctured oil burners.
Could you imagine Lamborghini and Ferrari selling a diesel
My 928GT is now 18 years old and I get a sense of occasion every time I drive it - it's special and it's been built that way. This car changes the trend and put Porsche in the same market as Ford and Vauxhall with mass manufctured oil burners.
Could you imagine Lamborghini and Ferrari selling a diesel
71tuscan said:
So who was having most fun?
^^This^^ The Jag is quoted at 0-60 in 5.9 and limited to 155 top end, which looks great on paper, but its all very serene and computer controlled. You just mash your foot on the loud pedal and it goes. Autobox selects optimum shift up and TC makes sure you don't bin it.I'd rather be in the old porsche any day of the week.
Rakoosh said:
Huh?
A diesel Cayenne I can understand but this?
I just don't get it... who buys a 60k+ panamera and is concerned about mpg? If you were then surely lots of other cars fit the mould better?
What next... a diesel 911 ... ?
why can you understand a diesel cayenne but not this from porsche. if anything, this makes more sense. it's designed to be a continental cruiser. nothing wrong with a diesel for that to be honest. they're very quiet on the motorway and the better range is always a bonus.A diesel Cayenne I can understand but this?
I just don't get it... who buys a 60k+ panamera and is concerned about mpg? If you were then surely lots of other cars fit the mould better?
What next... a diesel 911 ... ?
however.....people say a good range is really good for a GT car, but you do almost always have to stop for a pee break before you do to refuel, so it's not a massive benefit, except for the pocket of course.
i also disagree, i think people who spend 60k+ on cars do worry about mpg. people who have 60k+ cars are wealthy, they don't need to be rich. and saving money can only be a good thing. again though, it does lose some of its sporting credentials and i fear porsche may just become another audi/bmw/merc in 10 years time.
Porsche are there to make money, all the heritage, kudos, brand and all that is just capital they exploit to sell motor vehicles, like Land Rover selling 2wd 4wd's, they dont care whether they offend the purists as generally the purists arent the ones with the cash.
Things change guys, get used to it, a diesel Panamera will sell, some companies have diesel only policies, some owners dont care about outright performance and really, its still fast enough for any driving situation you would find yourself in, it will still handle well, it will still cosset and still look just as stunning.......
Things change guys, get used to it, a diesel Panamera will sell, some companies have diesel only policies, some owners dont care about outright performance and really, its still fast enough for any driving situation you would find yourself in, it will still handle well, it will still cosset and still look just as stunning.......
SSBB said:
^^This^^ The Jag is quoted at 0-60 in 5.9 and limited to 155 top end, which looks great on paper, but its all very serene and computer controlled. You just mash your foot on the loud pedal and it goes. Autobox selects optimum shift up and TC makes sure you don't bin it.
I'd rather be in the old porsche any day of the week.
Of course, and the 911 made a great noise doing it. But the fact that diesel commuter barges now have close to supercar performance of 25 years ago is pretty incredible.I'd rather be in the old porsche any day of the week.
Rakoosh said:
I just don't get it... who buys a 60k+ panamera and is concerned about mpg? If you were then surely lots of other cars fit the mould better?
It's nothing to do with concern about MPG related to cost. Nothing at all. It's purely how often they have to go through the boring, loathesome process of standing at a fuel pump.Same with the E60 M5. The range was something like 250 miles. The complaint wasn't it's poor MPG, but the poor range.
TonyHetherington said:
It's nothing to do with concern about MPG related to cost. Nothing at all. It's purely how often they have to go through the boring, loathesome process of standing at a fuel pump.
Same with the E60 M5. The range was something like 250 miles. The complaint wasn't it's poor MPG, but the poor range.
my dad has an E92 M3 and moans about the range a little bit too. gets about the 250mile mark between fill ups, sometimes less depending on how much schnell one wants. even an extra 10 litres in the tank shouldn't make that much difference to dynamics but another 40ish miles between fill ups might Same with the E60 M5. The range was something like 250 miles. The complaint wasn't it's poor MPG, but the poor range.
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