RE: Porsche Panamera Pushes The (Range) Envelope
Discussion
Lord Flathead said:
The sad thing is that in twenty years time, this car will not be collectable. It's just another diesel and not even the best in its class. I can't see anyone hankering after one which is dissapointing, given than most old Porsches become a legend and are covetted.
How many people hanker after and/or covet a 924? 
lgomgf said:
I am not being negative, I would buy one no problem... It is just about the bragging rights... you know, you buy a Porsche and it should be special, not to have the same engine I have in my current car, which is a little (about 20K)cheaper than that Porsche...
Like people said before, I see no point in buying this car if I can get a brand new XJ which is more powerful and probably more comfortable... I drove the XJ quite a bit already, have never drove a Panamarena, but seat on one in the showroom and nothing special about it... I would not trade the XJ for it, not on diesel engine configuration.
I drive about 50k kilometers a year, most of it in Germans autobahns, I want a car that car cruise comfortably at 180 to 200km, the XJ does that perfectly, I dont see the 250HP Porsche being able to do the same comfortably...
I think the XJ is about as good as cars get. Awesome car Like people said before, I see no point in buying this car if I can get a brand new XJ which is more powerful and probably more comfortable... I drove the XJ quite a bit already, have never drove a Panamarena, but seat on one in the showroom and nothing special about it... I would not trade the XJ for it, not on diesel engine configuration.
I drive about 50k kilometers a year, most of it in Germans autobahns, I want a car that car cruise comfortably at 180 to 200km, the XJ does that perfectly, I dont see the 250HP Porsche being able to do the same comfortably...
stuart-b said:
Only the UK has a diesel badge snobbery, and perhaps the US - but even the US love their large diesels. (and I mean BIG).
Over in the part of the world I am now, and in Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Italy... no one mentions "urgh, diesel".
I think this was a strategic sale to allow Porsche to continue to sell more cars to middle-higher management. This car can now appear on the company car list for many, quite a clever move when you consider the XF diesel has just been launched. The company car tax for this will be significantly less than the Turbo model, but with the same badge envy as the Turbo. Good marketing if you ask me.
Selling 100,000 of these will lower the overall Co2 output for Porsche, which will allow more 4.0 RS models, so good on them. Supply and demand!
1) Totally agree on the aggregate CO2 point, even I (as a confirmed diesel hater who couldnt wait to bin his Mercedes oil burner) would rather see this sell in volume rather than a "Cygnet" to solve the averaging issue. However, if they are lumped together with the VW group it makes no sense.Over in the part of the world I am now, and in Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Italy... no one mentions "urgh, diesel".
I think this was a strategic sale to allow Porsche to continue to sell more cars to middle-higher management. This car can now appear on the company car list for many, quite a clever move when you consider the XF diesel has just been launched. The company car tax for this will be significantly less than the Turbo model, but with the same badge envy as the Turbo. Good marketing if you ask me.
Selling 100,000 of these will lower the overall Co2 output for Porsche, which will allow more 4.0 RS models, so good on them. Supply and demand!
2) As others have pointed out, us 911 folk have a lot to thank the Cayenne owners for, so as long as there is room for RS 4.0 911's and the like alongside this then let the punter decide
3) Badge envy and diesel - never in the same sentence
4) No one mentions "urgh, diesel" in "Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Italy" for a reason. They are all tone deaf - easily explained if you have ever heard Euro Trance banged out of an RV at an F1 event...
My only long-term diesel experience was utterly woeful and an offence to my eardrums every time I drove it until I got the lease company to take it back early in February 2011. Hateful motive power delivery, hateful noise. Nobody I know who considers themselves a petrolhead will ever lay on their deathbead recounting fondly the great mpg of their hybrid / diesel... However, i fancy getting one of those ghastly chrome Porsche Diesel badges for the back of my 997 carrera for the heck of it!
If Porsche want to play at making a high-efficiency car, why don't they do it properly and create a world-beating purpose-built super low consumption car. If they did it properly, it could be every bit as impressive and aspirational as their top-end Nurburgring monsters.
This is a bit half-arsed.
This is a bit half-arsed.
Mr Gear said:
If Porsche want to play at making a high-efficiency car, why don't they do it properly and create a world-beating purpose-built super low consumption car. If they did it properly, it could be every bit as impressive and aspirational as their top-end Nurburgring monsters.
This is a bit half-arsed.
This is cheap to develop.This is a bit half-arsed.
RichardR said:
How many people hanker after and/or covet a 924?
I'd have a 924 Carrera GT tomorrow. And I wouldn't mind (another) 924 Turbo.http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1992550.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2577697.htm
(OK, it's only a pretend one....)
Edited by Zumbruk on Tuesday 3rd May 16:18
V8Bart said:
lol, and just when we thought they could go no lower! lol, £10 bet on Deisel boxter within 12 months anyone?
Surely you're not suggesting... you can't be... not THE THIN END OF THE WEDGE!
Diesel options fit perfectly into the Cayenne/Panamera ranges so sensibly Porsche is offering them for sale. They don't fit at all into the 911/Boxster/Cayman ranges, but hybrid options are probably in development for all the cars
Diesel tech geeks will be pleased to hear the new model's 3.0-litre V6 engine is state of the art, featuring common rail direct injection through piezo valves at a pressure of 2000 bar, turbocharging employing electrically controlled variable geometry turbochargers (VGTs) and emission control achieved by controlled exhaust gas recirculation, oxidation catalyst and particle filter.
ZesPak said:
the same reasons your 407s are 2L diesels instead of the V6 petrol?If I was wealthy and after a big diesel to waft about in this would be on the list. I don't think its the end of the world that Porsche make cars like this as some posters on here seem to make out every time Porsche makes something that isn't a GT3 RS mk8 ltd edition 30.
(I think the Panemera is quite a handsome car in the right colours)
They should put a diesel in a Quatroporte
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 3rd May 16:50
That Panamera is a grower. My first impressions from the photos were of near anger at the madness of Porsche but now, having seen several and been in one, I really like it.
It's a fantastic car to spend time in - so well made.
Of course a diesel makes all sorts of sense - who buys a petrol S class or 7 series these days? It's not about "if you can afford the car you can afford the petrol". Not many buy cars outright, most are leased in some way or another and are very much financial decisions. Wealthy people do not become such or stay so because they are spendthrift.
Diesel Panamera as a daily hack and 993/964 for the weekends anyone?
Oh, diesel Panamera 4 please - c'mon Porsche what's one more variant between friends? 4 wheel drive makes it a car for all seasons too.
dapprman said:
Lord Flathead said:
Could you imagine Lamborghini and Ferrari selling a diesel
But most lambos are diesel .. and (BIG) four wheel drive, and very high ground clearance, oh and able to pull large trailers, plows ... 
Ferraris are going the same way: first 4WD...
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