996 Carrera vs 997 Carrera S. Power!!!
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So, was out on a run a few weeks back with SCD club and Spearsy (also a member on here) was in his early model 996 Carrera behind me. I was in the 997S Cabrio.
We got a lovely wide straight carriageway in 2nd gear with fantastic visibility so I put the boot in 2nd and up through some of 3rd gear (only to national speed limit obviously
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I was curious to see just how much faster the 997S was over the standard 996 and Spearsy seemed game.
So, boot down and off we both went and crikey what a difference those 400cc's make in the 997! Looking in the mirror, the 996, trying hard as he might was loosing ground and becoming less of a presence and more of a dot with every passing second. The struggling 3.4 engine just couldn't compete with the might of the more modern 3.8 Porsche.
997 = winner! Whoop!!
"Really?" I hear you cry! "Did it make that much difference??!"
Well, actually, no. That is all a complete lie. The 996 was stuck up my chuff the entire time and try as I might it remained planted exactly where it was until we got to the next roundabout.
A 3.4 996 Carrera it would appear, has pretty much exactly the same ingear speeds as a 2005 3.8 Carrera S.
hmmmmphh!!
We got a lovely wide straight carriageway in 2nd gear with fantastic visibility so I put the boot in 2nd and up through some of 3rd gear (only to national speed limit obviously
).I was curious to see just how much faster the 997S was over the standard 996 and Spearsy seemed game.
So, boot down and off we both went and crikey what a difference those 400cc's make in the 997! Looking in the mirror, the 996, trying hard as he might was loosing ground and becoming less of a presence and more of a dot with every passing second. The struggling 3.4 engine just couldn't compete with the might of the more modern 3.8 Porsche.
997 = winner! Whoop!!
"Really?" I hear you cry! "Did it make that much difference??!"
Well, actually, no. That is all a complete lie. The 996 was stuck up my chuff the entire time and try as I might it remained planted exactly where it was until we got to the next roundabout.
A 3.4 996 Carrera it would appear, has pretty much exactly the same ingear speeds as a 2005 3.8 Carrera S.
hmmmmphh!!
anonymous said:
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Completely agree - the visual difference can be very slight in a drag race. I was on the Autobahn in my old Z4 3.0 Si, with a friends 997.1 S cab - very little in it up until 90ish - then the 911 would start to pull away, and over 120 it would pull away significantly. However, now I have mine - that small difference in shove feels a lot more from behind the wheel! anonymous said:
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Spot on - once you get cars doing 0-100mph in around 10 seconds, the ability to blow a car away is very limited. Even on a runway the definition of embarrased appears to be a car length or two - you cannot notice that on the road.
I've resigned myself that my next car will have to be 300bhp+ per tonne to feel a step up !!!
peralta said:
I bought a 996 C2 new in 2002 and can confirm that it was as fast or faster than the 997 C2S that I changed it for two or three years later. Seem to remember that the Autocar road test timed it at 10.1 sec 0-100mph.
IIRC that Autocar 996 C2 was almost certainly a ringer from Porsche. This was in order to compete with the ringer 360 Ferrari which was as fast as the 430 Scuderia.anonymous said:
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Very likely IMO. Autocar didn't get anywhere near these figures in the facelifted 996, gen1 997 and even gen1 997S. I think only now that latest PDK 991s Carreras are able to beat this time. Even Chris Harris himself on this site was discussing the first GT3 - "it was barely any faster than the admittedly suspiciously fast 996 C2 launch cars".anonymous said:
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You can disagree and ignore the evidence, but an early 996 Carrera 3.4 achieving a 10.1s 0-100mph is not credible. The 996 turbos at the time were only just dipping under 10 seconds, and the later 996s and 997s with superior p/w ratios were slower. Even Chris Harris who drove the cars at the time stated they were suspiciously fast. Do you have any corroborating evidence showing other recorded times close to 10.1s?I think all manufacturers play some games to substantiate different claims (economy causes some ridiculous behavior from many).
But I think the key point is that once you're into the realm of these reasonably quick cars, it becomes very hard to find really clear differences in performance on the road. It's a reason why I've stopped chasing performance, its kind of irrelevant as long as your car is quick enough to be fun and excite you.
But I think the key point is that once you're into the realm of these reasonably quick cars, it becomes very hard to find really clear differences in performance on the road. It's a reason why I've stopped chasing performance, its kind of irrelevant as long as your car is quick enough to be fun and excite you.
I share the view that once the 0-60 time drops below 10 sec most cars are pretty quick within the legal limits.
Apart from a 911 I also own a few other vehicles one of which is a 1.4 Diesel Yaris. It has a 0-60 time of about 10 sec but its mid range between 40 and 70 is outstanding for such a small engine. At these sort of speeds it seems to hold its own very well with much more expensive cars. Obviously not in 911 category, but pretty quick. I also own a Merc 316 Sprinter which is another vehicle with excellent mid range performance and equal to many cars.
The same goes for a Renault Traffic van or a Merc Vito with the biggest engine. They are both surprisingly quick once on the move.
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Apart from a 911 I also own a few other vehicles one of which is a 1.4 Diesel Yaris. It has a 0-60 time of about 10 sec but its mid range between 40 and 70 is outstanding for such a small engine. At these sort of speeds it seems to hold its own very well with much more expensive cars. Obviously not in 911 category, but pretty quick. I also own a Merc 316 Sprinter which is another vehicle with excellent mid range performance and equal to many cars.
The same goes for a Renault Traffic van or a Merc Vito with the biggest engine. They are both surprisingly quick once on the move.
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Olivera said:
anonymous said:
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You can disagree and ignore the evidence, but an early 996 Carrera 3.4 achieving a 10.1s 0-100mph is not credible. The 996 turbos at the time were only just dipping under 10 seconds, and the later 996s and 997s with superior p/w ratios were slower. Even Chris Harris who drove the cars at the time stated they were suspiciously fast. Do you have any corroborating evidence showing other recorded times close to 10.1s?TX.
I recently had a straight line race against my mate, me in my Boxster 3.4S, him in his MK6 GTI Edition 35. I stayed in 3rd at about 40mph thinking I was going to tear past him. He must have been in 2nd, and left me out there!!! I know he had the advantage of turbo, but I really struggled to pull back what I lost.
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