993 values

[PHC]

Heading north people have been saying that for years they're going up slowly.

Some sensible priced cars from dealers like this black on black manual C2 with 113k miles at £23k.
They had a car with 175k miles at £17k a while back.

http://www.northwayporscheltd.co.uk/used/porsche/9...

As someone said above it only takes one person to pay a silly price too many suckers out there doing exactly that, thankfully there's a good supply of cars.
No 100% sure on numbers but I think Porsche sold a lot around 10,000 993's in the uk add to that all the Japanese / Asian cars which have been imported.

We're not talking 246 Dino supply.

With 997 Gen2 prices falling some competition there.

There are a lot of cars which look fine on the surface but once you look closer tin worm poor maintenance and over worn interiors are common.

Every car I've looked at has needed a a min of £5k to get to acceptable standard on basics like brakes suspension oil leaks paint and clutch most private sellers have done the minimum, now twenty years old they need a fair bit of work.

I'm starting to think 964 might be a better choice but many in the UK have horrid interior trim ie white with red piping and other such awful combinations.

[Wozy68]

I think your figure for 993 sales in the UK is well out, Im pretty sure its nothing like 10K sold.

[PHC]

Wozy68 said:

I think your figure for 993 sales in the UK is well out, Im pretty sure its nothing like 10K sold.

On howmanyleft.co.uk they give these figures
Maybe I’ve misinterpreted them?
Is it just 2,900?

911
1997 2.9k
1996 2.8k
1995 2.7k
1994 2.9k

993 carrera
1996 896
1995 667
1994 429

993 convertible
1997 282
1996 271
1995 287
1994 276


911 CARRERA 2 COUP
1997 603
1996 585
1995 601
1994 587

911 CARRERA 4
1997 1.0k
1996 892
1995 716
1994 543

993 Targas
1998 363
1997 338
1996 183

[PHC]

Global sales / production figures from Wiki

Porsche Total Subseries total Grand total
993 C2 Coupé 272 PS 14,541 46,923 68,029[1]
993 C2 Cabrio 272 PS 7,730
993 C2 Coupé 285 PS 8,586
993 C2 Cabrio 285 PS 7,769
993 C2 Targa 285 PS 4,583
993 C2 Coupé S 285 PS 3,714
993 C4 Coupé 272 PS 2,884 14,114
993 C4 Cabrio 272 PS 1,284
993 C4 Coupé 285 PS 1,860
993 C4 Cabrio 285 PS 1,138
993 C4 Coupé 4S 285 PS 6,948
993 Turbo 3.6 5,978 5,978
993 Carrera RS Coupé 1,014 1,014

[mollytherocker]

PHC said:

With 997 Gen2 prices falling some competition there.

I totally agree with this. The Gen 2 is going to be a very sought after car in my view and I see some 993 owners (Not all) moving to them if they cant get a GT3.

[Wozy68]

PHC said:

Wozy68 said:

I think your figure for 993 sales in the UK is well out, Im pretty sure its nothing like 10K sold.

On howmanyleft.co.uk they give these figures
Maybe I’ve misinterpreted them?
Is it just 2,900?

I'd say so. I was always led to believe there were less than 1K of C2 Manual NB sold.
This is the numbers I've seen

[Wozy68]

mollytherocker said:

PHC said:

With 997 Gen2 prices falling some competition there.

I totally agree with this. The Gen 2 is going to be a very sought after car in my view and I see some 993 owners (Not all) moving to them if they cant get a GT3.

Interesting Molly. I've been thinking very much the same lately, and have been having a quiet look in the classifieds. Two years from now I could well be in the market for one.

More like a 993 to look at and prettier than the 996, yet not as big as the 991 (or so it seems), hopefully without the chocolate engine of the Gen1 and probs a lot less hassle to run/keep up together than the 993.

Though I'd miss that cold morning, on full choke, aircooled rumble me thinks.

Edited by Wozy68 on Wednesday 29th January 11:23

[carcrazypop]

mollytherocker said:

PHC said:

With 997 Gen2 prices falling some competition there.

I totally agree with this. The Gen 2 is going to be a very sought after car in my view and I see some 993 owners (Not all) moving to them if they cant get a GT3.

I've just gone from a Gen.2 C2S back to a 993, so make of that what you will !

To clarify, I've just reached my 65th birthday, and I wanted to buy a 911 as a 'keeper' this time, and use it mainly for sunny day trips etc.

The 997.2 would be my 911 choice as a daily driver and definitely not the 993. The 997 is very, very fast, probably too fast for todays roads, but very capable. Having said that, I found the 997 slightly fragile feeling, almost like you were waiting for something to stop working, like the horn sticking on and strange noises from the PSE when not been run for a few days.(horn sticking on is very embarrassing).

All Porsches are expensive to maintain when they start to get on a bit, and because of the complexity of the newer 997 cars, I think they're going to be a lot more expensive to run than a 993 when they start pushing 10 yrs and over.

I've had many 911's over the years, and IMHO the 993 represents the best 911 in terms of character, but with some modern aids to improve the driving experience.

As I say, each to their own, they're all brilliant cars.

[Wozy68]

Nah, thinking about it, can't see me selling

[carcrazypop]

Wozy68 said:

Nah, thinking about it, can't see me selling

No, don't, you will regret it, honestly !

My latest is my 5th and my wife thinks I'm nuts, but luckily, she loves me anyway.

My latest 993 is currently in with Colin, Marc & Pete at 9M to get the car exactly as I want it, cosmetically & mechanically, so hopefully I'll stand a better chance of keeping this one.

Edited by carcrazypop on Wednesday 29th January 11:45

[Wozy68]

carcrazypop said:

Wozy68 said:

Nah, thinking about it, can't see me selling

No, don't, you will regret it, honestly !

My latest is my 5th and my wife thinks I'm nuts, but luckily, she loves me anyway.

My latest 993 is currently in with Colin & Pete at 9M to get the car exactly as I want it, cosmetically & mechanically, so hopefully I'll stand a better chance of keeping this one.

lol ... thanks. No I agree, I just couldn't. Its the only 911/Porsche I've owned the wife actually gets jealous of.

[Mario149]

Wozy68 said:

Though I'd miss that cold morning, on full choke, aircooled rumble me thinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HzC5cbTkcQ

Engine was not cold admittedly....

[Wozy68]

Mario149 said:

Wozy68 said:

Though I'd miss that cold morning, on full choke, aircooled rumble me thinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HzC5cbTkcQ

Engine was not cold admittedly....

Coolio, mine has had the Gert treatment as well, I think youirs sounds louder/better. Have you done the airbox mod as well?

[Boo152]

Over the last 16-years I've test driven virtually the whole Porsche kettle range, together with various BMs, Fezzas, and Mercs: with a view to swapping out of my 993, but each time I get back in mine it sells itself to me again on the return journey, and I arrive home with a big grin on my face secure in the knowledge that I'm keeping her yet again!

[PHC]

Wozy68 said:

PHC said:

Wozy68 said:

I think your figure for 993 sales in the UK is well out, Im pretty sure its nothing like 10K sold.

On howmanyleft.co.uk they give these figures
Maybe I’ve misinterpreted them?
Is it just 2,900?

I'd say so. I was always led to believe there were less than 1K of C2 Manual NB sold.
This is the numbers I've seen

Where was that list from ?

Can anyone confirm the howmanyleft site numbers
I think the 993 numbers are far more than 2,900 cars in the UK.

These appear to be the totals if so there are 14,000 993's of various types in the uk?

911 993
1997 2.9k
1996 2.8k
1995 2.7k
1994 2.9k

[Nurburgsingh]

Damn you all...


Over the last couple of weeks I'd talked myself into selling the 993 once the weather changes (!??), I'm having a 356 Outlaw Coupe built and having too many toys doesn't sit well with the OH, but reading threads like this has had me having 2nd thoughts...

[Mario149]

Wozy68 said:

Mario149 said:

Wozy68 said:

Though I'd miss that cold morning, on full choke, aircooled rumble me thinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HzC5cbTkcQ

Engine was not cold admittedly....

Coolio, mine has had the Gert treatment as well, I think youirs sounds louder/better. Have you done the airbox mod as well?

Not yet, my drill is in storage while we move and I'm too tight to fork out £80 or so for something even I can DIY

[Boo152]

Have these facts and figures on file - I think they came from PCGB owners club when I was a member.

PORSCHE FACTS AND FIGURES:

964 - Total sold in UK 3,692
Introduced In 1989, the first major update resulted in the 964 model in the four-wheel drive Carrera 4, (built on the experience of the Porsche 959). A year later followed the two-wheel drive Carrera 2.
Production from 1989 up until 1993 and the introduction of the 993.

993 - Total sold in UK: 4,479
October 1993: New 993 rear wheel drive 911 Carrera introduced in Coupe form only; 3.6-litre engine with 272bhp.

April 1994: UK launch of 993-bodied 911 Carrera Cabriolet. August 1994: Launch of new 993-bodied Carrera 4. Introduction of optional Tiptronic 'S' transmission.

February 1995: 993 Carrera RS and RSR introduced; 3.8-litre engine with 300bhp.

August 1995: 993 Carrera 4S launched essentially a Turbo body, suspension and brakes with a normally aspirated engine. New 993-bodied Targa introduced with sliding glass roof and unique split rim 17ins light-alloy wheels. Engine in 911 Carrera, Cabriolet, Targa, Carrera 4 and 4S upgraded to 285bhp with Varioram system and bigger valves.

August 1996: Two-wheel drive 993 Carrera S launched featuring Turbo bodyshell, normal Carrera brakes, lower M033 suspension, body coloured split engine grille. Discontinued on introduction of the 996 in 1998.

So, if the above figures are correct, total production of UK 993s were only 787 more than UK 964s...


HTH

[Wozy68]

PHC said:

Where was that list from ?

Can anyone confirm the howmanyleft site numbers
I think the 993 numbers are far more than 2,900 cars in the UK.

These appear to be the totals if so there are 14,000 993's of various types in the uk?

911 993
1997 2.9k
1996 2.8k
1995 2.7k
1994 2.9k

Your figures are cars each year, your adding all the years together which becomes zillions.. Hence your confusion.
To be honest, I've always taken specs from that site with a pinch of salt.

Edited by Wozy68 on Wednesday 29th January 19:57

[Gordo997]

carcrazypop said:

mollytherocker said:

PHC said:

With 997 Gen2 prices falling some competition there.

I totally agree with this. The Gen 2 is going to be a very sought after car in my view and I see some 993 owners (Not all) moving to them if they cant get a GT3.

I've just gone from a Gen.2 C2S back to a 993, so make of that what you will !

To clarify, I've just reached my 65th birthday, and I wanted to buy a 911 as a 'keeper' this time, and use it mainly for sunny day trips etc.

The 997.2 would be my 911 choice as a daily driver and definitely not the 993. The 997 is very, very fast, probably too fast for todays roads, but very capable. Having said that, I found the 997 slightly fragile feeling, almost like you were waiting for something to stop working, like the horn sticking on and strange noises from the PSE when not been run for a few days.(horn sticking on is very embarrassing).

All Porsches are expensive to maintain when they start to get on a bit, and because of the complexity of the newer 997 cars, I think they're going to be a lot more expensive to run than a 993 when they start pushing 10 yrs and over.

I've had many 911's over the years, and IMHO the 993 represents the best 911 in terms of character, but with some modern aids to improve the driving experience.

As I say, each to their own, they're all brilliant cars.

I did this too. Had a new 997.2S, sure it was very quick but lacked both the character and build quality of the 993 that I now have. Kept the 997 just over a year, plan on holding onto the 993 for a long time.