997 C2S/C4S

[Irri]

Thanks for all this info. So...

£40K for a 2008, or £30K for a 2006 (need warranty). Will have to have a think.

[GregorFuk]

Irri said:

Thanks for all this info. So...

£40K for a 2008, or £30K for a 2006 (need warranty). Will have to have a think.

No. lb for lb.

Circa low 30's for a late Gen 1 (No earlier than 2006, up to mid 2008) need warranty.

Circa low 40's for a Gen 2. Currently perceived to be less prone to engine issues but there's more to a car than just the engine and I'd still want a warranty.

[Terminator X]

carcrazypop said:

Hi,
Personally, I'd stump up a bit more and try and find a nice Gen.2 car to reduce chances of engine problems.
Good Luck.

Internet hysteria.

TX.

[carcrazypop]

Terminator X said:

carcrazypop said:

Hi,
Personally, I'd stump up a bit more and try and find a nice Gen.2 car to reduce chances of engine problems.
Good Luck.

Internet hysteria.

TX.

Sorry, that's not strictly true.

I've seen & heard about too many examples of Gen.1 engines failing for it to be written off as internet hysteria, a very naive viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply trying to make sure the OP goes into this major purchase with his eyes open.

Try speaking to some Porsche indies and Porsche Independant Sales specialists before writing it off as hysteria. Why do you think people like Hartech thrive.

[GregorFuk]

carcrazypop said:

Sorry, that's not strictly true.

I've seen & heard about too many examples of Gen.1 engines failing for it to be written off as internet hysteria, a very naive viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply trying to make sure the OP goes into this major purchase with his eyes open.

Try speaking to some Porsche indies and Porsche Independant Sales specialists before writing it off as hysteria. Why do you think people like Hartech thrive.

carcrazypop. Did you have any issues with your Gen 1?

[carcrazypop]

GregorFuk said:

carcrazypop said:

Sorry, that's not strictly true.

I've seen & heard about too many examples of Gen.1 engines failing for it to be written off as internet hysteria, a very naive viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply trying to make sure the OP goes into this major purchase with his eyes open.

Try speaking to some Porsche indies and Porsche Independant Sales specialists before writing it off as hysteria. Why do you think people like Hartech thrive.

carcrazypop. Did you have any issues with your Gen 1?

No, I didn't, but it was ultra low mileage, <3 yrs old and I only had it for about 4 months as I was offered a great deal on a 996t; and yes, I bought it from Wilmslow OPC so it had 2 years warranty.

I'm not saying the odds of engine failure are likely, but as the OP is not familiar with the Porsche brand, I'm trying to make sure he goes in with his eyes open because if he gets it wrong, it could be a costly mistake.

My Gen.1 was a superb car but the chance of the turbo was just too tempting.

[schaeffs]

carcrazypop said:

Sorry, that's not strictly true.

I've seen & heard about too many examples of Gen.1 engines failing for it to be written off as internet hysteria, a very naive viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply trying to make sure the OP goes into this major purchase with his eyes open.

Try speaking to some Porsche indies and Porsche Independant Sales specialists before writing it off as hysteria. Why do you think people like Hartech thrive.

I think the reality is somewhere between the two - although TX is right, there is definitely hysteria from some quarters on this (not saying your comments are anywhere near this but have read quite a bit in the recent past on here!)

[schaeffs]

Irri said:

Thanks for all this info. So...

£40K for a 2008, or £30K for a 2006 (need warranty). Will have to have a think.

Comparing C2S like for like I would go high 20s for a nice 2006 car - 40k is about right for a decent 2008 model - and quite frankly I would want a warranty on both cars for peace of mind (a busted rad will set you back 1k+) so that is a cost that doesn't come into the equation...

[Terminator X]

carcrazypop said:

Terminator X said:

carcrazypop said:

Hi,
Personally, I'd stump up a bit more and try and find a nice Gen.2 car to reduce chances of engine problems.
Good Luck.

Internet hysteria.

TX.

Sorry, that's not strictly true.

I've seen & heard about too many examples of Gen.1 engines failing for it to be written off as internet hysteria, a very naive viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply trying to make sure the OP goes into this major purchase with his eyes open.

Try speaking to some Porsche indies and Porsche Independant Sales specialists before writing it off as hysteria. Why do you think people like Hartech thrive.

Internet scaremongering helps no one. If you have some facts then of course feel free to divulge? How many 911's were made vs failures for example?

TX.

[carcrazypop]

Terminator X said:

carcrazypop said:

Terminator X said:

carcrazypop said:

Hi,
Personally, I'd stump up a bit more and try and find a nice Gen.2 car to reduce chances of engine problems.
Good Luck.

Internet hysteria.

TX.

Sorry, that's not strictly true.

I've seen & heard about too many examples of Gen.1 engines failing for it to be written off as internet hysteria, a very naive viewpoint as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply trying to make sure the OP goes into this major purchase with his eyes open.

Try speaking to some Porsche indies and Porsche Independant Sales specialists before writing it off as hysteria. Why do you think people like Hartech thrive.

Internet scaremongering helps no one. If you have some facts then of course feel free to divulge? How many 911's were made vs failures for example?

TX.

I'm trying to give the OP some useful information so that he can go into a major purchase with his eyes open; if you care to bury your head in the sand that's fine. I think if you actually read my comments, it can in no way be interpreted as scaremongering.

If you can't accept that, let's be prepared to differ, life's too short.

[Terminator X]

carcrazypop said:

I'm trying to give the OP some useful information so that he can go into a major purchase with his eyes open; if you care to bury your head in the sand that's fine. I think if you actually read my comments, it can in no way be interpreted as scaremongering.

If you can't accept that, let's be prepared to differ, life's too short.

I see, so you have no idea then seems to be the very definition of scaremongering to me.

TX.

[IanHug]

I think people tend to just repeat what they've read. I've had a 2007 gen 1 C2S from new (55k miles) and its never had any issues. I'll be selling it this year and expect I'll get all this.

[carcrazypop]

Unbelievable ! I give up, Gen.1 cars are obviously perfect and just as reliable as Gen.2 cars. Goodbye.

[av185]

In an attempt to inject some balance into the forum, some years ago I owned an 06 56 plate 997.1 C2S tip coupe 26k miles, ran for 3k miles with no problems whatsoever...

Then bought a 07 57 plate 997.1 C4S tip cab 12k miles, ran for 1k miles, engine piston slapped so was rebuilt at OPC days within its 2 year warranty expiring and subsequently ran for 7k miles with no more problems....

Subsequently run several gen 2 997.2 C2S, targa and GTS PDKs all of which have been faultless. All cars 1 previous owner and FPSH.

My advice would be to definitely go for a gen 2 pref S...10 percent more power, bullet proof engines, better PCM and interior....I would have no hesitation going for a 'value' highish miler.........

[IanHug]

av185 said:

My advice would be to definitely go for a gen 2 pref S...10 percent more power, bullet proof engines, better PCM and interior....I would have no hesitation going for a 'value' highish miler.........

Just steer clear of the new GT3 Unless you like the no cost heated seat option.

[av185]

IanHug said:

av185 said:

My advice would be to definitely go for a gen 2 pref S...10 percent more power, bullet proof engines, better PCM and interior....I would have no hesitation going for a 'value' highish miler.........

Just steer clear of the new GT3 Unless you like the no cost heated seat option.

Although I have specced heated seats at extra cost.....

The best cars tend to have initial minor teething problems.......

[Irri]

Sorry if my first post has started a bit of a disagreement. I really appreciate all the info though.

I'm verging on a 2006 with a warranty lasting over a year, with a view to selling it before the warranty runs out. I've never driven a car that does 0-60 in less than 8.5 seconds, so who knows once I get in one

Is there anything I should know about the difference between a 2 and a 4, apart from the obvious?

[av185]

C4 will cost more than C2, but unless you want slightly better wet weather handling and wider body, IMO the 2 is the better driver focused 911 and has far more steering feedback and neutrality, together with less transmission noise and better overall economy.....

[GregorFuk]

Irri said:

Is there anything I should know about the difference between a 2 and a 4, apart from the obvious?

4s are wider at the rear and have a slightly smaller boot. If this is your first performance car then a 4 may be the safer bet. There is little difference in the driving experiance until it counts.

Pistonheads is full of people who will tell you a 2 is the purists choice but I'm not afraid to admit that if my 30k+ 911 decided to go sideways I'd probably soil my boxer shorts. The 4s sure footedness gives that extra layer of protection.

[GregorFuk]

Irri said:

Is there anything I should know about the difference between a 2 and a 4, apart from the obvious?

4s are wider at the rear and have a slightly smaller boot. If this is your first performance car then a 4 may be the safer bet. There is little difference in the driving experiance until it counts.

Pistonheads is full of people who will tell you a 2 is the purists choice but I'm not afraid to admit that if my 30k+ 911 decided to go sideways I'd probably soil my boxer shorts. The 4s sure footedness gives that extra layer of protection.