911 (997) Turbo upgraded and tuned by DMS - excellent result
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Isysman said:
benny 61 said:
I don't think you'll ever see one on a independent RR.
Why because of the conspiracy? The same people who plotted September 11th are behind the DMS conspiracy! 
I will put mine on an independent RR. I'm just waiting to get it organised. I'll publish the results regardless. Most likely make another video. And if the results are similar people will rubbish them, guaranteed. Some people will only believe what they already know to be true, and nothing will change their mind. They don't want to believe it. (And some who post here have connections with other companies in direct competition and they don't want people to go to DMS).
Just been to Oulton Park today, car is fantastic now, the power is unbelievable. Regardless of the results of any further RR, I'm totally impressed by DMS and would not hesitate in recommending them to anyone.
Isysman said:
benny 61 said:
Just do it and stop posting about doing it
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise you were the forum posting commissioner. My mistake. Isysman said:
I will put mine on an independent RR. I'm just waiting to get it organised. I'll publish the results regardless. Most likely make another video. And if the results are similar people will rubbish them, guaranteed. Some people will only believe what they already know to be true, and nothing will change their mind. They don't want to believe it. (And some who post here have connections with other companies in direct competition and they don't want people to go to DMS).
thanksno affiliations, no agenda, just interested because I have a 997 turbo
look forward to your independent RR results
my 2p on Rolling roads;
useful for before and after comparisons on same road with same car;
taking a car from one road to another is always going to produce different figures for lots of reasons.
I do talk from some level of experience here - I had a 997 Cup Car on 4 different RR's - all showed differing values !
mostly came from the transmission loss part of the equation
Isysman - enjoy your TT - I know I would !
useful for before and after comparisons on same road with same car;
taking a car from one road to another is always going to produce different figures for lots of reasons.
I do talk from some level of experience here - I had a 997 Cup Car on 4 different RR's - all showed differing values !
mostly came from the transmission loss part of the equation
Isysman - enjoy your TT - I know I would !
The reason this "matters" is because like the OP many shoppers for an ECU tune are looking at the best BHP/££££ and so if the DMS standard 997.1 turbo VTG tune does give 620hp then it is massively better value than than other's 620hp tunes and rightly DMS will pick up lots of business and the other charlatans (trying to charge for hybrid VTGs, intercoolers etc to get the same 620hp) will lose out.
Why some bhp is different to other bhp is a bit complicated for this thread (I deleted my wasted earlier posts ) but certainly the OP can understand that a rolling road power run must last for at least 20 seconds to give a reasonably meaningful number. Any 4th gear run which lasts under 10s on a turbo Porsche is complete waste of time.
Maha is the one to aim for and I think certain hub dynos can do this.
Some good reading here.
http://rototest-research.eu/index.php?DN=47
Why some bhp is different to other bhp is a bit complicated for this thread (I deleted my wasted earlier posts
) but certainly the OP can understand that a rolling road power run must last for at least 20 seconds to give a reasonably meaningful number. Any 4th gear run which lasts under 10s on a turbo Porsche is complete waste of time.Maha is the one to aim for and I think certain hub dynos can do this.
Some good reading here.
http://rototest-research.eu/index.php?DN=47
I'd like to mention that the video I shot was edited, you might be basing some info here on the video at the start of this thread, it was much shorter than what actually happened for obvious reasons, (not wanting to bore people with the full amount of footage I shot that day. So don't form any opinions based on the video in that sense, only that the result was what was seen on the screen. I just showed the best part of the footage.
As for hybrid turbos, I've been looking at upgrade kits available online and they offer kits with hybrid turbos and exhaust systems and they are offering 700bhp+. As do DMS, they offer a kit that once fitted and remapped can give approx. 730bhp. So I don't understand where people are saying that a TT with hybrid turbos, and the other mods here would only produce 620bhp because that doesn't seem to be what every other tuner seems to be saying.
Have no fear, I am enjoying my car, it's completely transformed now. Sounds the business and goes like stink! Happy Days
As for hybrid turbos, I've been looking at upgrade kits available online and they offer kits with hybrid turbos and exhaust systems and they are offering 700bhp+. As do DMS, they offer a kit that once fitted and remapped can give approx. 730bhp. So I don't understand where people are saying that a TT with hybrid turbos, and the other mods here would only produce 620bhp because that doesn't seem to be what every other tuner seems to be saying.
Have no fear, I am enjoying my car, it's completely transformed now. Sounds the business and goes like stink! Happy Days
Isysman said:
I'd like to mention that the video I shot was edited, you might be basing some info here on the video at the start of this thread, it was much shorter than what actually happened for obvious reasons, (not wanting to bore people with the full amount of footage I shot that day. So don't form any opinions based on the video in that sense, only that the result was what was seen on the screen. I just showed the best part of the footage.
As for hybrid turbos, I've been looking at upgrade kits available online and they offer kits with hybrid turbos and exhaust systems and they are offering 700bhp+. As do DMS, they offer a kit that once fitted and remapped can give approx. 730bhp. So I don't understand where people are saying that a TT with hybrid turbos, and the other mods here would only produce 620bhp because that doesn't seem to be what every other tuner seems to be saying.
Have no fear, I am enjoying my car, it's completely transformed now. Sounds the business and goes like stink! Happy Days
I bet if DMS were called up for another independent test by a magazine their bhp claims would be massively reduced. 620bhp from stock turbos would be a paradigm shift in the market.As for hybrid turbos, I've been looking at upgrade kits available online and they offer kits with hybrid turbos and exhaust systems and they are offering 700bhp+. As do DMS, they offer a kit that once fitted and remapped can give approx. 730bhp. So I don't understand where people are saying that a TT with hybrid turbos, and the other mods here would only produce 620bhp because that doesn't seem to be what every other tuner seems to be saying.
Have no fear, I am enjoying my car, it's completely transformed now. Sounds the business and goes like stink! Happy Days
Isysman said:
IMI A said:
I bet if DMS were called up for another independent test by a magazine their bhp claims would be massively reduced. 620bhp from stock turbos would be a paradigm shift in the market.
Pure speculationOnly way to really prove DMS power claims is getting cars to Brunters which I have to be honest at best DMS' power claims do sound a bit optimistic. if DMS have found some new magic fairy dust we'd all like to know about it. I'd consider DMS to upgrade my car if there isn't much in it between your cars and Nicks. As an aside i estimate Nick has spent circa 70,000 Euros (hope you don't mind me mentioning Nick) getting his car to a reliable/drivable 650bhp so you can understand our sceptiscm your car is putting out that sort of power with simple remap, coolers and zorst - just not possible until your recent claim.
Edited by IMI A on Tuesday 3rd June 20:11
Edited by IMI A on Tuesday 3rd June 20:12
Is he the bloke who had his engine removed and run on a engine dyno? I heard the engine had to be rebuilt half way through as they trashed it. Not sure if it's the same person?
That's a lot of money to spend on an engine that only has that power. I've seen many tuners online selling kits that offer 700-780bhp for about 6 grand (in the US) Sharkwerks for one and Fabspeed is another.
I'd be happy to go somewhere like that, I've always wanted to do a VMax event, just never got around to it. It's my intention to do as many tests as it requires to find out as much as it' possible without removing my engine about it's power. It would also make an interesting article in a magazine. Something I might pitch first.Rolling road on all cars tested followed by VMax to see how they fair.
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