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Front upright is the one fitted to the 997.1 (double clamp to the strut, different Ackerman geometry), so significantly different to the "cooking" 996.2 GT3 with the single clamp. Rear suspension also different but hazy on exactly what. Engine intake different & power output 400bhp+ as a result. The factory never bothered to update the specs so they are still listed as 381bhp.
nxi20 said:
Front upright is the one fitted to the 997.1 (double clamp to the strut, different Ackerman geometry), so significantly different to the "cooking" 996.2 GT3 with the single clamp. Rear suspension also different but hazy on exactly what. Engine intake different & power output 400bhp+ as a result. The factory never bothered to update the specs so they are still listed as 381bhp.
Good point. AP went out of his way to highlight this on the recent 992 GT3 launch in Porsche's 'secret GT shed'.Digga said:
Good point. AP went out of his way to highlight this on the recent 992 GT3 launch in Porsche's 'secret GT shed'.
The 996 GT3 RS engine used the smaller (12mm) spark plugs (that were subsequently used on the heads fitted to the 997 GT3) Some say the 996 GT3 RS heads are actually the heads developed for the Gen 1 997 GT3 ...Other differences ? Here's a list plagiarized from Rennlist :
99610097990 ENGINE replacement engine 04 M96.79 M004
99610190195 CRANK CASE Crankcase with studs use also: 000.043.203.73 sealing compound Drei Bond 1209 04- M96.79 M004
4320373 SEAL.COMP. sealing compound
99610201795 PULLEY pulley 04- M96.79 M004
96410223931 FLYWHEEL flywheel 03- M004
96411414331 RING GEAR ring gear 03- M004
93110211100 deep-groove ball bearing 03- M004
92810215101 SCREW pan-head screw 03- M004
99610400294 CYL.HEAD cylinder head, ready for installation M96.79, M004
99610400296 CYL.HEAD cylinder head, ready for installation M96.79, M004
99650598092 Front Bumper cover
99902517402 WASHER Washer, 14 x 1,5 x 40 M004
99902517401 WASHER Washer, 14 x 1,5 x 40 M004
99634111792 SPOILER spoiler /L 04- M004
99634111892 SPOILER spoiler /R 04- M004
99651295994 Spoiler
99651299194 lid
99651298394 plate
99651298494 plate
99634115792 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /L 04- M004
99634115892 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /R 04- M004
99634132171 SUPPORT support for cable speed sensor /L 04- M004
99634132271 SUPPORT support for cable speed sensor /R 04- M004
99660623591 PROTSHIELD heat protection for speed sensor /L 04- M004
99660623691 PROTSHIELD heat protection for speed sensor /R 04- M004
99634166190 COVER lid 04- M004
99734166190 COVER lid 04- M004
99921704209 HEX.BOLT hexagon-head bolt M 8 X 35 04- M004
99634304197 DAMPER shock absorber, - bilstein - 04- M004
99634353197 coil spring
99634307093 SUSPENSION stabiliser mounting 04- M004
99634780490 ST WHEEL steering wheel decorative stitching red 04- M004
99634780491 ST WHEEL steering wheel decorative stitching blue 04- M004
99633111190 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /L 04- M004
99633111290 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /R 04- M004
99634112190 TRANSVERSE wishbone /L 04- M004
99634112290 TRANSVERSE wishbone /R 04- M004
90007602502 HEX.NUT hexagon nut M 8 04- M004
99902526902 WASHER Washer 8,5 X 17 X 6 04- M004
99634144190 FLANGE bearing flange wishbone 04- M004
99633155190 SUPPORT support 04- /601 M004
99633105192 SIDE PANEL side section /L 04- M004
99633105292 SIDE PANEL side section /R 04- M004
99633305197 ABSORBER shock absorber - bilstein - 04- M004
99636213608 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke red lacquered /V 04- M004/597
99636213609 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke blue lacquered /V 04- M004/598
99636214208 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke red lacquered /H 04- M004/597
99636214209 WHEEL disc wheel 11 J X 18 ET 63 wheel spoke blue lacquered /H 04- M004/598
99636130392 HUBCAP hub cap red 04- M004/597
99636130394 HUBCAP hub cap blue 04- M004/598
99635180190 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /L 04- M004
99635181390 COVERPLATE protective plate lower /L 04- M004
99635181590 AIR DEFLEC air baffle plate /L 04- M004
99635180290 COVERPLATE protective plate upper
99635181490 COVERPLATE protective plate lower /R 04- M004
99635181690 AIR DEFLEC air baffle plate /R 04- M004
99635280190 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /L 04- M004
99635281390 COVERPLATE protective plate /L 04- M004
99635280290 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /R 04- M004
99635281490 COVERPLATE protective plate /R 04- M004
99635550391 SUPPORT support /L -03 M004
99635550393 SUPPORT support /L 04- M004
99635550390 SUPPORT support /L -03 M004/450
99635550392 SUPPORT support /L 04- M004/450
99642407591 KNOB gearshift knob decorative stitching red 04- M004
99642407592 KNOB gearshift knob decorative stitching blue 04- M004
99642403192 HAND BRAKE parking-brake lever complete decorative stitching red /LL 04- M004
99642403193 HAND BRAKE parking-brake lever complete decorative stitching blue /LL 04-; M004 M004
99651155191 PNEUSPRING gas-pressure spring 04- M004
99651295994 SPOILER spoiler 04- M004
99651298394 PLATE plate /L 04- M004
99651298494 PLATE plate /R 04- M004
99907333400 SCREW round head screw M 6 X 16 04- M004
99654511192 REAR PANE rear window 04- M004
99654552103 FRAME sealing frame 04- M004
99654554501 TRIM FRAME trim frame 04- M004
99673161930 HOUSING Housing door mirror carbon /L 04- M004
99673162030 HOUSING Housing door mirror carbon /R 04- M004
99655923792 LOGO Logo * GT3 RS * guards riviera blue 04 M004/598
99655923793 LOGO Logo * GT3 RS * guards red 04 M004/597
99655933190 FOIL decorative film front guards red /L 04- M004/597
99655933290 FOIL decorative film front guards red /R 04- M004/597
99655933191 FOIL decorative film front riviera blue /L 04- M004/598
99655933291 FOIL decorative film front riviera blue /R 04- M004/598
99655933390 FOIL decorative film lateral guards red
99655933490 FOIL decorative film lateral guards red /R 04- M004/597
99655933391 FOIL decorative film lateral riviera blue /L 04- M004/598
99655933491 FOIL decorative film lateral riviera blue /R 04- M004/598
99655933590 FOIL decorative film rear guards red /L 04- M004/597
99655933690 FOIL decorative film rear guards red /R 04- M004/597
99655933591 FOIL decorative film rear riviera blue /L 04- M004/598
99655933691 FOIL decorative film rear riviera blue /R 04- M004/598
99680303491 SEAT BELT seat belt riviera blue /R 04- IXSZ/M004
99680303391 SEAT BELT seat belt riviera blue /L 04- IXSZ/M004
99658098202 CAGE roll cage 04- M004
99917012990 SPARK PLUG spark plug Y 5DDC 04 M96.79 M004
99651101191 lid
99651155191 gas pressure spring
GT4RS said:
The Porsche gt car market sadly changed a number of years ago.
Sadly 996 gt3rs has always been the one that got away from
me and one I would love to own and enjoy. I missed my opportunity around late 2009 and not long after the speculators changed the market.
One day maybe.
I had one when they were still £65K. I didn't gel with it at all (in fact I actively disliked it) Sadly 996 gt3rs has always been the one that got away from
me and one I would love to own and enjoy. I missed my opportunity around late 2009 and not long after the speculators changed the market.
One day maybe.
I need to revisit one someday, and if their prices continue softening, that may well happen ...
A bit like AP. I'd go for blue decals next time around, and a decent exhaust, and some Ohlins ...
Slippydiff said:
I had one when they were still £65K. I didn't gel with it at all (in fact I actively disliked it)
I need to revisit one someday, and if their prices continue softening, that may well happen ...
A bit like AP. I'd go for blue decals next time around, and a decent exhaust, and some Ohlins ...
When was that, about ten years ago? I need to revisit one someday, and if their prices continue softening, that may well happen ...
A bit like AP. I'd go for blue decals next time around, and a decent exhaust, and some Ohlins ...
£65k in 2008 is about £87k in real terms today....so they haven't flown in value eh.....
DjSki said:
When was that, about ten years ago?
£65k in 2008 is about £87k in real terms today....so they haven't flown in value eh.....
Yep, 9 years ago. £65k in 2008 is about £87k in real terms today....so they haven't flown in value eh.....
It had under 7K miles on it when I sold it, and had belonged to Keith Flint of The Prodigy. So at the peak would've been worth £125K minimum (and probably more) ?
Slippydiff said:
DjSki said:
When was that, about ten years ago?
£65k in 2008 is about £87k in real terms today....so they haven't flown in value eh.....
Yep, 9 years ago. £65k in 2008 is about £87k in real terms today....so they haven't flown in value eh.....
It had under 7K miles on it when I sold it, and had belonged to Keith Flint of The Prodigy. So at the peak would've been worth £125K minimum (and probably more) ?
Digga said:
he Firestarter (RIP) and band mate Liam were both huge petrolheads, so I doubt it was a lack of running in that affected this particular car.
No doubting, it was a peach of car, but less than 5,500 miles in 5 years ...
With hindsight it needed :
New tyres (knowing what I know now, Cups or Cup 2's rather than PS2's)
Cup toe links on the rear.
Ride heights, rake and corner weights set accurately.
Toe and camber settings optimized.
OE dampers overhauled or better still fitment of a set of KW V3's.
Diff rebuilt with Cup internals or a Guard diff.
Manthey K410 exhaust (basically the M & M system used on the Mk1 K400 conversions)
Wheels, decals etc in blue rather than red, or better still ...
or ...
Slippydiff said:
Digga said:
he Firestarter (RIP) and band mate Liam were both huge petrolheads, so I doubt it was a lack of running in that affected this particular car.
No doubting, it was a peach of car, but less than 5,500 miles in 5 years ...With hindsight it needed :
New tyres (knowing what I know now, Cups or Cup 2's rather than PS2's)
Cup toe links on the rear.
Ride heights, rake and corner weights set accurately.
Toe and camber settings optimized.
OE dampers overhauled or better still fitment of a set of KW V3's.
Diff rebuilt with Cup internals or a Guard diff.
Manthey K410 exhaust (basically the M & M system used on the Mk1 K400 conversions)
Wheels, decals etc in blue rather than red, or better still ...
or ...
Heathrow said:
Can you explain more Steve? Do you mean in terms of set up? Maybe I should have been more explicit - I was meaning from a "hardware" perspective.
I think you are both right in different ways. The standard 6GT3 and the RS do feel quite different, but the hardware is essentially the same. So if the only thing that matters is the driving experience and not values, start with a comfort .2 and add a bit of spice to your taste.I get the impression today's Porsche community doesn't really do modding anymore - I suppose the hardware is too complex and the customer profile has changed. But it was a big part of the charm for me 10-20 years ago.
Slippydiff said:
I had one when they were still £65K. I didn't gel with it at all (in fact I actively disliked it)
Interestingly I had an 03 as well same price, that I commuted in, Epsom to Woking. I absolutely loved it. I described it at the time on here as intoxicating! Then my work changed and I was home based so didn't drive it from one week to the next. When I did drive it, it felt all wrong, just not nice. I have no idea how that worked and why it should feel like that.Bert
You need time in a 6RS. It feeds you a lot of information and when you are tuned into one they are sublime. It tells you everything that’s going on and you modify your inputs around what is relevant. If you don’t spend much time in the car - or more time in another sports car - they can feel a bit intimidating.
Basically they have the feel of a race car and race cars are lively by nature when they are set up there or there about a their response to inputs is sublime and entirely predictable. That’s why I love them so much. You don’t need a 6RS to be set up perfectly to be a good car - but some of the set ups of cars that I drove were miles away from where they should have been. Also, they like to be set up low. If not the homologated suspension hardware doesn’t add any benefit
Basically they have the feel of a race car and race cars are lively by nature when they are set up there or there about a their response to inputs is sublime and entirely predictable. That’s why I love them so much. You don’t need a 6RS to be set up perfectly to be a good car - but some of the set ups of cars that I drove were miles away from where they should have been. Also, they like to be set up low. If not the homologated suspension hardware doesn’t add any benefit
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