580BHP 2017 Turbo S/..wow......
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ORD said:
Carbon tub 911 Turbo? Not a chance. It isn't in that market.
Many cars will have a carbon tub in the future as the cost of the tech comes down with volume orders. I can tell you that the company that manufactures the carbon tub for Macca are very excited about potentially providing a company like VW lightweight carbon tubs for their ultra fuel efficient super minis of the future.I think you judge the car depending on what mood you are in.
Against the 997 Turbo, the 991 Turbo certainly does not connect you to the experience as well. You don't have much involvement at all. As a result, i also thought felt it was slower, with the launch control especially undramatic.
On the flip side, a VW GTI would teach a 997 Turbo a lot about NVH and creature comforts. The 991 Turbo is simply far easier to use and live with, justifying the hefty price tag.
Given i have had a few 997s include two iterations of Turbos, i hope people don't take it the wrong way wih me saying i would have never of bought a new 997T. I think they are overrated, but at under £100k they become better value. After driving the 991 Turbo however, i thought Porsche had nailed it; i could see where the £150+k had gone.
Against the 997 Turbo, the 991 Turbo certainly does not connect you to the experience as well. You don't have much involvement at all. As a result, i also thought felt it was slower, with the launch control especially undramatic.
On the flip side, a VW GTI would teach a 997 Turbo a lot about NVH and creature comforts. The 991 Turbo is simply far easier to use and live with, justifying the hefty price tag.
Given i have had a few 997s include two iterations of Turbos, i hope people don't take it the wrong way wih me saying i would have never of bought a new 997T. I think they are overrated, but at under £100k they become better value. After driving the 991 Turbo however, i thought Porsche had nailed it; i could see where the £150+k had gone.
Carbon tubs will be the way forward I agree.
Alfa almost had it right with the 4C, beautiful looking car that appeals massively on an aesthetic level but the 1.7 turbo engine mated to a paddle shift gearbox turns me off.
Its quick enough (0-60 in 4.5) but the turbo power delivery and the gearbox dull it down.
Imagine what it would be like with an N/A Alfa V6 and a manual gearbox, i'd have one tomorrow!
Alfa almost had it right with the 4C, beautiful looking car that appeals massively on an aesthetic level but the 1.7 turbo engine mated to a paddle shift gearbox turns me off.
Its quick enough (0-60 in 4.5) but the turbo power delivery and the gearbox dull it down.
Imagine what it would be like with an N/A Alfa V6 and a manual gearbox, i'd have one tomorrow!
v8ksn said:
Carbon tubs will be the way forward I agree.
Alfa almost had it right with the 4C, beautiful looking car that appeals massively on an aesthetic level but the 1.7 turbo engine mated to a paddle shift gearbox turns me off.
Its quick enough (0-60 in 4.5) but the turbo power delivery and the gearbox dull it down.
Imagine what it would be like with an N/A Alfa V6 and a manual gearbox, i'd have one tomorrow!
When that happens I'll have ur GT3 Alfa almost had it right with the 4C, beautiful looking car that appeals massively on an aesthetic level but the 1.7 turbo engine mated to a paddle shift gearbox turns me off.
Its quick enough (0-60 in 4.5) but the turbo power delivery and the gearbox dull it down.
Imagine what it would be like with an N/A Alfa V6 and a manual gearbox, i'd have one tomorrow!
v8ksn said:
9e 28 said:
4.0l 500 bhp conversion would be very tempting in that lw narrow body 
I like your thinking! I would love a Sharkwerks conversion but I think its best I spend money on upgrading the chassis and the large organic component between the seat and steering wheel first
robgt3 said:
Oi Kul! Don't knock yourself, your driving skills are just fine. Though I must admit some tuition is far more beneficial than adding performance. Quite fancy the Sharkwerks conversion though.
Cheers Rob! 
I need to make some improvements to keep up with you next year! Can't wait to hear that RS at full chat
hondansx said:
After driving the 991 Turbo however, i thought Porsche had nailed it; i could see where the £150+k had gone.
Are you serious ? the A91 engine is a third of the price of the Mezger, the extra dough is pure profit.....they can sell enough at that price so they charge it, good luck to them but you don't get £50K more stuff on it The 7.2 TurboS was a nice car - I enjoyed mine for 2 relatively painless years. But it was already boring when not driving at illegal speeds, and lesser cars were far more interesting and entertaining to drive. The 991.x Turbos are even more sanitised. Unless you live next to an Autobahn, i think there are many other more entertaining ways to get from A to B (which is really the remit of the Turbo, and not to lap Spa or Oulton Park)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv8z7inZKpU
yup...991.1 Turbo S definitely struggles at the track....crap on the road too
Hate it every single time it puts a permagrin on the face..
Surprisingly complementary to the 7.2 RS...too
yup...991.1 Turbo S definitely struggles at the track....crap on the road too
Hate it every single time it puts a permagrin on the face..
Surprisingly complementary to the 7.2 RS...too
Edited by BMCG on Thursday 3rd December 09:57
Callughan said:
They need to bring out a model with power to rival F12 etc imo
they have, it's called the 996 gt2 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7C8OaD5lnkFor me it's quite a relief that the Turbo has become an increasing tech fest and an ever more remote provider of excessive performance as I no longer feel the need to have any of the new models. Personally I'm not really interested in any of the cars since 2009 and a manual 997.1 or even 996 turbo is about as good as it gets for me. Maybe a few others have come to the same conclusion if you look at the prices of those models. I'm going to stick with my 997 Turbo and have defected to the world of Lotus to satisfy any further driving itches - can thoroughly recommend an S2 Exige S for anyone who has become disillusioned with the direction Porsche is headed in. Last time I went to an OPC and sat in a 991 I couldn't help feeling that the car was even more of an 'all things to all markets' product from the blingy interior to the ever more irrelevant performance. They do still sell them though and I'm sure the company will survive without my custom.
stuttgart737 said:
For me it's quite a relief that the Turbo has become an increasing tech fest and an ever more remote provider of excessive performance as I no longer feel the need to have any of the new models. Personally I'm not really interested in any of the cars since 2009 and a manual 997.1 or even 996 turbo is about as good as it gets for me. Maybe a few others have come to the same conclusion if you look at the prices of those models. I'm going to stick with my 997 Turbo and have defected to the world of Lotus to satisfy any further driving itches - can thoroughly recommend an S2 Exige S for anyone who has become disillusioned with the direction Porsche is headed in. Last time I went to an OPC and sat in a 991 I couldn't help feeling that the car was even more of an 'all things to all markets' product from the blingy interior to the ever more irrelevant performance. They do still sell them though and I'm sure the company will survive without my custom.
Kind of agree with you there, and your thinking (and mine) are validated with the GT4 success - not too powerfull, manual gearbox etc and the values of older 911's shooting up. The latter not just being pure speculative purchasing, but real drivers wanting the old(er) school experience. At least this is where I'm at running a'88 Carrera and 997 Turbo... For me the wider market can't continue for ever - ring lap times, more power. It is simply not sustainable.
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