'Cheap' 4.0L

[nigelonich]

So with grubby interior, ring stickers, stone chipped front end, damaged wheels, spent brakes, faded centre locks and stone chipped arches would you for £220K?

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

Oh and it 'could' be this one but I cant be sure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdesSvB5pM

[Richie200]

nigelonich said:

So with grubby interior, ring stickers, stone chipped front end, damaged wheels, spent brakes, faded centre locks and stone chipped arches would you for £220K?

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

Oh and it 'could' be this one but I cant be sure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdesSvB5pM

Even if it was, it is a nothing crash and a simple cheap repair

[nigelonich]

Richie200 said:

Even if it was, it is a nothing crash and a simple cheap repair

Agreed.

[hornbaek]

It is still EUR 300k for a car that has driven 50k km so not exactly cheap.

[nigelonich]

Cheapest 4.0L in the world right now.

[DT398]

30k miles is not that bad but I agree it's more than the vast majority. Everything is fixable and even if it was the car at the ring the accident was pretty minor. make a cheeky offer?

[MDL111]

have looked at that car many times and thought it might be a decent buy, but then most times there were cars with mileage in the teens available for 30-50k more (haven't checked in the last week) - alas I thought 10-15% more for a car where I am the one adding the majority of the mileage is possibly an acceptable cost.

I then also always looked at Speciales in the high 200s Euros .... no manual though

Then I realized, I don't have the money, so it is academic anyway (good fun though)

[nigelonich]

My 997.2 GT3 had done 43k miles when I sold it and it looked way better than that inside and out. Im not fussed about the shunt (if it was the same car) but the abuse is a concern.This car is low miles in reality but just not in comparison to its peers.

I am kinda-maybe-ish looking at buying a 4.0L in the medium term but not a collector quality one with low miles as I cannot afford it and I plan to use it. So this car would be something I would consider. It is particularly poorly presented so I cant help its for sale until the ring weather improves.

[GregorFuk]

Bear in mind you need to ad a x10 multiplier when comparing track miles to road miles.

[nigelonich]

GregorFuk said:

Bear in mind you need to ad a x10 multiplier when comparing track miles to road miles.

Typical CSL owner lurking in the GT3 domain :-)

[Steve Rance]

A good track driver v a poor road driver would reverse that particular rule

[GregorFuk]

Steve Rance said:

A good track driver v a poor road driver would reverse that particular rule

Merely quoting what my friend was told by Caterham when starting his Academy year. I think anybody who has pushed hard on a track session would probably agree. Just how good a track driver / poor road driver would you have to be for the two to reach parity? Just like the human heart an internal combustion engine only has so many beats.

[GregorFuk]

nigelonich said:

GregorFuk said:

Bear in mind you need to ad a x10 multiplier when comparing track miles to road miles.

Typical CSL owner lurking in the GT3 domain :-)

LOL, I can dream can't I?

[Steve Rance]

GregorFuk said:

Merely quoting what my friend was told by Caterham when starting his Academy year. I think anybody who has pushed hard on a track session would probably agree. Just how good a track driver / poor road driver would you have to be for the two to reach parity? Just like the human heart an internal combustion engine only has so many beats.

If a driver is quick but smooth and mechanically sympathetic the only thing that he will wear out on the track in a GT3 are consumables. If he's racing that's different. Wear rates increase significantly in racing situations

[nigelonich]

Steve Rance said:

A good track driver v a poor road driver would reverse that particular rule

The owner is very active in euro track racing.

[Steve Rance]

If the owner knows what he or she's doing its a good buy. If I were looking to buy I'd be looking for some in car of the driver.

[leeGT2]

As this car has yellow callipers then I'd imagine ceramic discs would need to be fitted. The ceramic discs alone are about 24k euros the last time I checked. That would already bring the price up to 324k before you begin. Then there is everything else that needs doing... For another 30k you might as well buy a proper one which hasn't had a shunt, a third of the mileage and would be far easier to resell, therefore much cheaper in the long run...
To resell that car on imo would be very difficult. Most people after a 4.0rs these days are after a collectable one, ie no more than about 10k miles or 16k Kms... People also tend to be very picky with this type of car...
If you find a good one, you should go for it, the 4.0rs is surely the next best thing if not better than the 2.7rs and I can't see any other future RS bettering it...

[ttdan]

leeGT2 said:

As this car has yellow callipers then I'd imagine ceramic discs would need to be fitted. The ceramic discs alone are about 24k euros the last time I checked. That would already bring the price up to 324k before you begin. Then there is everything else that needs doing... For another 30k you might as well buy a proper one which hasn't had a shunt, a third of the mileage and would be far easier to resell, therefore much cheaper in the long run...
To resell that car on imo would be very difficult. Most people after a 4.0rs these days are after a collectable one, ie no more than about 10k miles or 16k Kms... People also tend to be very picky with this type of car...
If you find a good one, you should go for it, the 4.0rs is surely the next best thing if not better than the 2.7rs and I can't see any other future RS bettering it...

But it doesn't have yellow calipers?

I actually think its a pretty honest presentation, the dealer could have polished another 20k into that maybe.

[isaldiri]

nigelonich said:

My 997.2 GT3 had done 43k miles when I sold it and it looked way better than that inside and out. Im not fussed about the shunt (if it was the same car) but the abuse is a concern.This car is low miles in reality but just not in comparison to its peers.

I am kinda-maybe-ish looking at buying a 4.0L in the medium term but not a collector quality one with low miles as I cannot afford it and I plan to use it. So this car would be something I would consider. It is particularly poorly presented so I cant help its for sale until the ring weather improves.

Would it not possibly be more cost effective to get a standard 7.1 and get a manthey workover (engine+suspension/weight loss etc) as a car that is to be used? instead of paying the (vast) premium now purely for the limited edition status of the 4.0, you're putting that Into the base car to get to probably not too far away if not better from a driving dynamics standpoint.