991 GTS Must haves
Discussion
paul789 said:
Maxym said:
paul789 said:
Interested in your thoughts on Miami. Is it a weekend only car? Is the colour too loud for day to day use?
WHAT? 
Oh well - there's the answer to my buying dilemma. Dumb f&%ks don't deserve to own a 911 GTS - Golf R it is then.
Next thing you know, I'll turn it to a member of the 'could of brought' brigade.
So I had a day in a manual 991.2 GTS today when my manual 997 GTS was in for a service. Took me a while to get used to it but by the end of the day I absolutely loved it....highlights for me were the chassis and the engine. The engine to my amateur senses just doesn't feel turbocharged...the way it revs to the red line is really quite something. Seems to me like there's almost an element of engine noise being piped into the cabin (mechanically) to make up for the lack of exhaust note? Hard to tell on a relatively short drive.
I am sure I've read of people finding the 991.2 GTS's chassis/ride to be hard/uncomfortable....it's significantly better riding than my 997 GTS on country lanes and B roads which is where my car tends to spend most of it's life. The Sport PASM setting on my car is pretty much irrelevant for UK roads but even the Sport setting on the 991.2 was perfectly acceptable on the roads I was driving on. The only time I really noticed it was on sped humps going through some villages. It's a massive step on from my car. I also thought the traction/grip the car has was a big step on.
The one area of the car where I felt mine was superior was the gearshift...I really like the 6 speed in my 997 GTS, especially because of the short shift kit. Like all the controls in the 997 it requires more effort than the 991 but with the gearchange it's all the better for it.
I'm sorely tempted to see if I can do a deal on the 991.2...there's absolutely no way I can justify it but that's not stopped me before!
I am sure I've read of people finding the 991.2 GTS's chassis/ride to be hard/uncomfortable....it's significantly better riding than my 997 GTS on country lanes and B roads which is where my car tends to spend most of it's life. The Sport PASM setting on my car is pretty much irrelevant for UK roads but even the Sport setting on the 991.2 was perfectly acceptable on the roads I was driving on. The only time I really noticed it was on sped humps going through some villages. It's a massive step on from my car. I also thought the traction/grip the car has was a big step on.
The one area of the car where I felt mine was superior was the gearshift...I really like the 6 speed in my 997 GTS, especially because of the short shift kit. Like all the controls in the 997 it requires more effort than the 991 but with the gearchange it's all the better for it.
I'm sorely tempted to see if I can do a deal on the 991.2...there's absolutely no way I can justify it but that's not stopped me before!
Cheib, good write up and pretty much concludes with my opinion,I originally chose manual however after driving a PDK 991.2s at silverstone i switched as i wanted a change. The GTS is growing on me by the day and by now i think i prefer it to the GT4 as i sometimes felt i needed more power in the GT4(high gearing didn't help here) but i never feel the GTS needs more..Along with RAS makes for a devastating cross country weapon and inspires confidence..I also love the classy understated GT silver which draws less unwanted attention compared to my recent Guards red GT4..
Taffy66 said:
Cheib, good write up and pretty much concludes with my opinion,I originally chose manual however after driving a PDK 991.2s at silverstone i switched as i wanted a change. The GTS is growing on me by the day and by now i think i prefer it to the GT4 as i sometimes felt i needed more power in the GT4(high gearing didn't help here) but i never feel the GTS needs more..Along with RAS makes for a devastating cross country weapon and inspires confidence..I also love the classy understated GT silver which draws less unwanted attention compared to my recent Guards red GT4..
Definitely doesn't need more power! Seriously quick car. The car I drove had RWS...I'd love to try cars back to back with and without...I could definitely feel it a couple of times on slowish/tights corners. paul789 said:
Damn, your answer is drawing me ever closer to JZM. Still hoping somebody moves before I do.
Your car looks awesome! I think we're right at the peak of the 'ace car' era and I really want to run something special now before we're all turned into Tesla droids.
Price seems slightly toppy considering the mileage... think they're expecting the colour to sell that (it does look awesome but I would be in the minority and put clear lights on it!)Your car looks awesome! I think we're right at the peak of the 'ace car' era and I really want to run something special now before we're all turned into Tesla droids.
Cheib said:
So I had a day in a manual 991.2 GTS today when my manual 997 GTS was in for a service. Took me a while to get used to it but by the end of the day I absolutely loved it....highlights for me were the chassis and the engine. The engine to my amateur senses just doesn't feel turbocharged...the way it revs to the red line is really quite something. Seems to me like there's almost an element of engine noise being piped into the cabin (mechanically) to make up for the lack of exhaust note? Hard to tell on a relatively short drive.
I am sure I've read of people finding the 991.2 GTS's chassis/ride to be hard/uncomfortable....it's significantly better riding than my 997 GTS on country lanes and B roads which is where my car tends to spend most of it's life. The Sport PASM setting on my car is pretty much irrelevant for UK roads but even the Sport setting on the 991.2 was perfectly acceptable on the roads I was driving on. The only time I really noticed it was on sped humps going through some villages. It's a massive step on from my car. I also thought the traction/grip the car has was a big step on.
The one area of the car where I felt mine was superior was the gearshift...I really like the 6 speed in my 997 GTS, especially because of the short shift kit. Like all the controls in the 997 it requires more effort than the 991 but with the gearchange it's all the better for it.
I'm sorely tempted to see if I can do a deal on the 991.2...there's absolutely no way I can justify it but that's not stopped me before!
Cheib, keep 997GTS +get a Cayenne or go 991.2GTS? this is my current dilemma. Thoughts?I am sure I've read of people finding the 991.2 GTS's chassis/ride to be hard/uncomfortable....it's significantly better riding than my 997 GTS on country lanes and B roads which is where my car tends to spend most of it's life. The Sport PASM setting on my car is pretty much irrelevant for UK roads but even the Sport setting on the 991.2 was perfectly acceptable on the roads I was driving on. The only time I really noticed it was on sped humps going through some villages. It's a massive step on from my car. I also thought the traction/grip the car has was a big step on.
The one area of the car where I felt mine was superior was the gearshift...I really like the 6 speed in my 997 GTS, especially because of the short shift kit. Like all the controls in the 997 it requires more effort than the 991 but with the gearchange it's all the better for it.
I'm sorely tempted to see if I can do a deal on the 991.2...there's absolutely no way I can justify it but that's not stopped me before!
Cheib said:
So I had a day in a manual 991.2 GTS today when my manual 997 GTS was in for a service. Took me a while to get used to it but by the end of the day I absolutely loved it....highlights for me were the chassis and the engine. The engine to my amateur senses just doesn't feel turbocharged...the way it revs to the red line is really quite something. Seems to me like there's almost an element of engine noise being piped into the cabin (mechanically) to make up for the lack of exhaust note? Hard to tell on a relatively short drive.
I am sure I've read of people finding the 991.2 GTS's chassis/ride to be hard/uncomfortable....it's significantly better riding than my 997 GTS on country lanes and B roads which is where my car tends to spend most of it's life. The Sport PASM setting on my car is pretty much irrelevant for UK roads but even the Sport setting on the 991.2 was perfectly acceptable on the roads I was driving on. The only time I really noticed it was on sped humps going through some villages. It's a massive step on from my car. I also thought the traction/grip the car has was a big step on.
The one area of the car where I felt mine was superior was the gearshift...I really like the 6 speed in my 997 GTS, especially because of the short shift kit. Like all the controls in the 997 it requires more effort than the 991 but with the gearchange it's all the better for it.
I'm sorely tempted to see if I can do a deal on the 991.2...there's absolutely no way I can justify it but that's not stopped me before!
I'm genuinely interested - what was it that took a while to get used to at first?I am sure I've read of people finding the 991.2 GTS's chassis/ride to be hard/uncomfortable....it's significantly better riding than my 997 GTS on country lanes and B roads which is where my car tends to spend most of it's life. The Sport PASM setting on my car is pretty much irrelevant for UK roads but even the Sport setting on the 991.2 was perfectly acceptable on the roads I was driving on. The only time I really noticed it was on sped humps going through some villages. It's a massive step on from my car. I also thought the traction/grip the car has was a big step on.
The one area of the car where I felt mine was superior was the gearshift...I really like the 6 speed in my 997 GTS, especially because of the short shift kit. Like all the controls in the 997 it requires more effort than the 991 but with the gearchange it's all the better for it.
I'm sorely tempted to see if I can do a deal on the 991.2...there's absolutely no way I can justify it but that's not stopped me before!
The sound (genuine sound) is piped into the cabin - there is a tube from the intake which comes into the car under the rear panel. It's probably the single reason why there's still a notable flat six howl present and I'm perfectly comfortable with this engineering solution (thank Christ it's not a BMW-like speaker enhanced jobbie!)
It was probably one of my comments on the ride you're referring to, and although I'm largely used to it, theres no denying it's stiffer than every car I've had before (with the possible exception of the AMG GT which had the dynamic pack fitted and was therefore also very stiff). That said, the 911 is a good kind of stiff because, on the whole, it's so well controlled. You feel the bump sure, but it deals with it quickly and the structure feels so stiff and well built, you don't get any noises either.
I had a good long drive of mine down to Goodwood and back at the weekend (I live in the east midlands) and it truly is an amazing thing. I never tired of the sound and it just feels so planted. I've driven not much else which gives this level of confidence and feels so right all the time. Taking it to the Yorkshire dales this coming weekend where I can get a good feel for it over some twisties.
There is one possible exception to this glaze of perfection, and a question to other owners. On the motorway there's more vibration through the wheel / pedals than I'm used to, particularly above 90. Feels like a very slight wheel imbalance through the wheel, which I guess is a possibility and my dealer are checking tomorrow (you can physically see the wheel wobble, but as I say it's consistent 100% of the time). I suspect it's not wheel balancing as it's not always present at the same speeds. It could just be a characteristic of having such a stiffly sprung car (again, in relation to others I've owned) where the movement from road surface has nowhere to go but up through the floor and steering wheel. Just curious as to whether others note high levels of, shall we say, 'feedback' in this car?
Edited by Palmball on Monday 3rd July 23:37
Palmball said:
I'm genuinely interested - what was it that took a while to get used to at first?
The sound (genuine sound) is piped into the cabin - there is a tube from the intake which comes into the car under the rear panel. It's probably the single reason why there's still a notable flat six howl present and I'm perfectly comfortable with this engineering solution (thank Christ it's not a BMW-like speaker enhanced jobbie!)
It was probably one of my comments on the ride you're referring to, and although I'm largely used to it, theres no denying it's stiffer than every car I've had before (with the possible exception of the AMG GT which had the dynamic pack fitted and was therefore also very stiff). That said, the 911 is a good kind of stiff because, on the whole, it's so well controlled. You feel the bump sure, but it deals with it quickly and the structure feels so stiff and well built, you don't get any noises either.
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Ah interesting about the induction noise...I really liked it. Good to know my ears are still functioning properly! The sound (genuine sound) is piped into the cabin - there is a tube from the intake which comes into the car under the rear panel. It's probably the single reason why there's still a notable flat six howl present and I'm perfectly comfortable with this engineering solution (thank Christ it's not a BMW-like speaker enhanced jobbie!)
It was probably one of my comments on the ride you're referring to, and although I'm largely used to it, theres no denying it's stiffer than every car I've had before (with the possible exception of the AMG GT which had the dynamic pack fitted and was therefore also very stiff). That said, the 911 is a good kind of stiff because, on the whole, it's so well controlled. You feel the bump sure, but it deals with it quickly and the structure feels so stiff and well built, you don't get any noises either.
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In terms of getting used to the car it was a combination of things...all the controls are much lighter. Steering, Clutch and Gearlever all feel "less mechanical/more artificial" than my 997 GTS. The one area where I think the 997 is superior to the 991 is the gearbox....I love the gearbox in mine (it has the factory short shift kit) it's got a stiffer and slightly shorter action than the 991 and I took a while to get used to the idea of 7th gear, more because when I was doing the 4th/5th change I was conscious of 7th being there...although I think there may be a gate that stops you going straight from 4th to 7th. Once I got used to the 991 gearbox I was much happier though.
The car I had was equipped with PCCB which are just incredible....the amount of stopping power they have is just ridiculous. The only problem with that is because of the way offset of the brake and accelerator pedals it makes it very difficult to Heal and Toe....something which is relatively easy to do in my car and something I get a disproportionate amount of enjoyment out of. I don't mind me admitting it took me a while to get the feel for the PCCB's but once I had I managed to get much happier with my ability to H&T...definitely harder to do in my car but it is still possible.
PCCB's are worth every penny in my opinion.....in a car as quick and capable as the 991.2 GTS you can't have enough stopping power in my opinion.
As I said in my earlier post I am surprised about the comments about the ride quality...it's miles better than my 997 GTS. I think this has big benefits too in the amount of grip/traction the car has....you can really accelerate out of bends with it in a way you can't in my car!
nigestar said:
Cheib, keep 997GTS +get a Cayenne or go 991.2GTS? this is my current dilemma. Thoughts?
Not really sure I can be much help there! Surely you'd only go for the Cayenne as well as the 997 GTS if you need the practicality ? Cayenne's a fantastic car though...we love ours. Unfortunately Mrs Cheib really loves it and I hardly get to drive it! mattf93 said:
paul789 said:
Damn, your answer is drawing me ever closer to JZM. Still hoping somebody moves before I do.
Your car looks awesome! I think we're right at the peak of the 'ace car' era and I really want to run something special now before we're all turned into Tesla droids.
Price seems slightly toppy considering the mileage... think they're expecting the colour to sell that (it does look awesome but I would be in the minority and put clear lights on it!)Your car looks awesome! I think we're right at the peak of the 'ace car' era and I really want to run something special now before we're all turned into Tesla droids.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
paul789 said:
Yes, 92 is probably too high. Which then begs the question, what would - assuming it's in a good condition etc. - be a good price for this, 80k?:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I'd say lower it's got a pretty low spec and a very high mileage by the standards of these cars.https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
This on the other hand is almost "Nirvana" spec....PCCB's, Buckets, Manual and a lot of other expensive boxes ticked. £100k for a 10k mile car.
https://www.maundrells.co.uk/porsche-911-carrera-g...
Be interesting to see if it hangs around.
Cheib said:
paul789 said:
Yes, 92 is probably too high. Which then begs the question, what would - assuming it's in a good condition etc. - be a good price for this, 80k?:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I'd say lower it's got a pretty low spec and a very high mileage by the standards of these cars.https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
This on the other hand is almost "Nirvana" spec....PCCB's, Buckets, Manual and a lot of other expensive boxes ticked. £100k for a 10k mile car.
https://www.maundrells.co.uk/porsche-911-carrera-g...
Be interesting to see if it hangs around.
Id love a car like that if I had the money but to me its 95-96k but it is a very high spec and strange to see ceramics.
I'd 100% want to put clear rear lights on the car though - seems to be a point of contention with people on here and porsche people in general though...
Odd that it hasn't got sports design mirrors on a GTS though - perhaps a weird thing I noticed?
rbh said:
Palmball, I've had absolutely no vibration through the steering or pedals at any (so far sensible but into three figures) speed
B1ggest said:
No vibration in mine at any speed or surface tried to date.
I think I'm falling in love...
Good news on the vibration. Took it to my dealer today fully expecting to be told all was fine and that's just how it is but no, a front wheel was out of balance.I think I'm falling in love...
They balanced it and sent me on my way....it is now perfect. Even my wife, who confirmed she could feel the vibration through the passenger floor on our trip down to Goodwood at the weekend, said this evening that it feels much better. Phew!
Definitely loving every minute now I've not got that niggling in the back of my mind!
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