991 GTS Must haves
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The 991.1 GTS I suspect will hold their values better than the 991.2 so not sure what to expect in 3 years. Having said that, I have always felt Porsche as a brand does seem to be one of the lower depreciating brands so fingers crossed it stays that way. The dealerships seem to allow 10% between trade in a forecourt price to allow for their 2 year warranty, mark up and haggling (whats what they told me anyway).
Jd27 said:
I've got the silver stitiching and there's no reflection.
I think the carmine red cars suspension looks lower than usual due to the camera angle and that the weeks aren't straight on. There's also a camber on the road that would also reduce the "appreared clearance" of the front wheel. Add all those together and that's why it looks very low (I really should get out more)
This. The car is the same height as everyone elses, aesthetically I'd prefer it lower, but practicality wise, I'm quite happy with not clenching my arse everytime I go over a speed bump or park up a kerb!I think the carmine red cars suspension looks lower than usual due to the camera angle and that the weeks aren't straight on. There's also a camber on the road that would also reduce the "appreared clearance" of the front wheel. Add all those together and that's why it looks very low (I really should get out more)
Edited by Jd27 on Friday 28th July 22:35
Like most cars, once it's on the move, you can't tell the ride height in appearance from say a GT3.
Jacko.1 said:
Oh that is so bad, the dealer only drove it 20 miles ago and they never noticed it. Sounds serious and could take quite a while. I hope they have given you a decent car whilst you wait
The OPC has been very good so far. I'm in a Guards Red 911, completely standard car. Makes you appreciate how much better the GTS is if anything!Nano2nd said:
thx didn't realise that,£54k seems pretty low... what people expectations on real value at 36 months? appreciate not everyones got a crystal ball lol
2y old car with 20k miles approx £90k on approved used, what are they buying them for 80? 70?
It does seem low but I think when you think an OPC wants probably £10k to £15k out of putting an AUC 911 on the forecourt it's maybe not that far awat. 15 plate 991.1 GTS cars are now £90k on the AUC site so I imagine trade bid is £75k to £80k.....another year of depreciation probably means those 15 plate cars will be £80k so you're maybe looking at a £65k trade in. If that residual of £54k is for a PCP contract those are designed to leave you with equity so probably not a million miles away. 2y old car with 20k miles approx £90k on approved used, what are they buying them for 80? 70?
You'd certainly hope a 911 is not going to cost you that much to run for three years though!
Randomer123 said:
Jd27 said:
I've got the silver stitiching and there's no reflection.
I think the carmine red cars suspension looks lower than usual due to the camera angle and that the weeks aren't straight on. There's also a camber on the road that would also reduce the "appreared clearance" of the front wheel. Add all those together and that's why it looks very low (I really should get out more)
This. The car is the same height as everyone elses, aesthetically I'd prefer it lower, but practicality wise, I'm quite happy with not clenching my arse everytime I go over a speed bump or park up a kerb!I think the carmine red cars suspension looks lower than usual due to the camera angle and that the weeks aren't straight on. There's also a camber on the road that would also reduce the "appreared clearance" of the front wheel. Add all those together and that's why it looks very low (I really should get out more)
Edited by Jd27 on Friday 28th July 22:35
Like most cars, once it's on the move, you can't tell the ride height in appearance from say a GT3.
I can confirm that whilst the GT4 has a somewhat meagre ground clearance of 0.75 iPhone5's, that of my GTS is a more generous 1.25 iPhone5's
Have a real hankering for a 991.2 GTS at the moment having had a good look around one and a drive recently.
Interested in the crystal ball gazing on the residuals.
Given that a decently specced one is going to hit the road at £115k to £120k, a trade value of £65k in three years time would probably be enough to put me off. At £75k to £80k my man-maths start making it justifiable (well as justifiable as losing over a grand a month in depreciation on anything can be...)
Maybe I should have a look at some 991.1s.
Interested in the crystal ball gazing on the residuals.
Given that a decently specced one is going to hit the road at £115k to £120k, a trade value of £65k in three years time would probably be enough to put me off. At £75k to £80k my man-maths start making it justifiable (well as justifiable as losing over a grand a month in depreciation on anything can be...)
Maybe I should have a look at some 991.1s.
ClioTrophy55 said:
Whilst debating the merits of some recently installed "safety" humps with my daughter's school, which forced me to drop her off and manoeuvre in a tight car park in a "safe" 2 tonne Cayenne rather than in my GT4, I realised that as people generally don't walk around carrying rulers then the best way to communicate ground clearance is as multiples of the heights of common smartphones.
I can confirm that whilst the GT4 has a somewhat meagre ground clearance of 0.75 iPhone5's, that of my GTS is a more generous 1.25 iPhone5's
Great, how big is a IPhone 5SI can confirm that whilst the GT4 has a somewhat meagre ground clearance of 0.75 iPhone5's, that of my GTS is a more generous 1.25 iPhone5's
mc_blue said:
I've been informed there's a fault with the "valve bank" on the PDK 'box. Apparently a six hour job so should have my car back by Wednesday with any luck. Hopefully this fixes the problem!
That is good news and means you will get your car back soon. I was interested by your comparison between the 911 and GTS and it gives me some comfort whilst I wait for mine to arrive in God knows how many months- how do you feel it's better?Jacko.1 said:
That is good news and means you will get your car back soon. I was interested by your comparison between the 911 and GTS and it gives me some comfort whilst I wait for mine to arrive in God knows how many months- how do you feel it's better?
The demo I'm in is a completely standard Carrera 2 so no PSE or any chassis options.Objectively the GTS is a significantly better car (from my very limited experience of my GTS though)
Firstly, the looks with the wider body from the 4
Second, the sound - I assume mainly attributed to the PSE but the standard car is very quiet
Third - the options I've specified (buckets, carbon trim and so on) lift the interior and make it a much more enjoyable environment to be in
I'll definitely update this thread in due course and I do hope my car is rectified soon so I can enjoy it!
Milemuncher said:
Have a real hankering for a 991.2 GTS at the moment having had a good look around one and a drive recently.
Interested in the crystal ball gazing on the residuals.
Given that a decently specced one is going to hit the road at £115k to £120k, a trade value of £65k in three years time would probably be enough to put me off. At £75k to £80k my man-maths start making it justifiable (well as justifiable as losing over a grand a month in depreciation on anything can be...)
Maybe I should have a look at some 991.1s.
Cheapest 991 S at an OPC is about 62/63k with 33,000 miles on the clock and is a 2012 so 5 years old. So residual after 3 years will be decent amount higher for a gen 2 GTS. Interested in the crystal ball gazing on the residuals.
Given that a decently specced one is going to hit the road at £115k to £120k, a trade value of £65k in three years time would probably be enough to put me off. At £75k to £80k my man-maths start making it justifiable (well as justifiable as losing over a grand a month in depreciation on anything can be...)
Maybe I should have a look at some 991.1s.
I would guess closer to your man maths figure. With the residuals dealers tend to build in a decent margin as they don't want the economy to turn again and then everyone to return their cars for the Guaranteed future value. When the the clearing level for the cars is lower. Back in 2008/9 people were returning their cars and then offering to buy them back 10/20k below the guaranteed value, not a great business model!
Plus a new car is cheaper to run as you have new tyres, brakes and a three year warranty. The biggest thing is how much you put down and the APR they charge.
Edited by Jd27 on Tuesday 1st August 06:26
Thanks, that's really helpful.
Was thinking about 25 - 30% down and hoping to retain a chunk of that at the end of the 3 years. The standard APR looks highish so would try to find a way to reduce it.
I won't be doing high miles so keeping it longer is also an option as previously suggested.
Was thinking about 25 - 30% down and hoping to retain a chunk of that at the end of the 3 years. The standard APR looks highish so would try to find a way to reduce it.
I won't be doing high miles so keeping it longer is also an option as previously suggested.
i had 24 hour test drive in a 991.2 GTS yesterday, one thing i noticed that seemed strange was that the exhaust made a lot more noise (pops and crackles etc) in Sport than in Sport Plus - is that normal? also does the exhaust get louder with age? as that was my one real disappointment (the sound), how much better does a 991.1 GTS sound?
Also the car i tested had PCCBs but no rear steering, frankly the driving experience and handling were fantastic... i'm wondering how much of that is attributed to the PCCBs? i don't mean from a braking perspective, more from a light and nimble and more chuckable perspective - if that makes sense. Thats the thing i love about my F430 and loath about my M4 (it feels like a tank), the F430 shrinks around you and feels light and nimble (fun!).... i'd be disappointed if having steels took the shine off the driving experience... any thoughts? clearly trying a car with steels would help but thats not an option at my local OPC
Also the car i tested had PCCBs but no rear steering, frankly the driving experience and handling were fantastic... i'm wondering how much of that is attributed to the PCCBs? i don't mean from a braking perspective, more from a light and nimble and more chuckable perspective - if that makes sense. Thats the thing i love about my F430 and loath about my M4 (it feels like a tank), the F430 shrinks around you and feels light and nimble (fun!).... i'd be disappointed if having steels took the shine off the driving experience... any thoughts? clearly trying a car with steels would help but thats not an option at my local OPC
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