991 GTS Must haves
Discussion
AOK said:
WizzBang said:
Fokker said:
Shiverman said:
Check out the one at JZM. Been for sale for a couple of weeks now but seems to have most of the must have options and looks great in white. Mattf93 at Top555 had one for sale but I think that one has gone now.
http://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Por...
I'm amazed that hasn't been sold yet? Maybe it needs buckets to compliment the stick. http://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Por...
When searching for a manual, if its reg starts with an 'R' for Reading, there's a high possibility that it's an ex PEC car so be mindful as it'll have had a hard life.
Yeah these things don't make the car drive any better but most who are after a GTS was the whole GTS package - it's a must have.
But finding a manual 991.1 is a pretty difficult job. If one is fussy about the interior then it's going to be harder still.
Call me shallow, but I don't mind admitting that I'd prefer to wait for one with the GTS pack.
WizzBang said:
The silver/rhodium/white stitching really 'pops' if it's there and it just doesn't on the JZM car. Also, the GTS pack replaces the aluminium trim with carbon.
But finding a manual 991.1 is a pretty difficult job. If one is fussy about the interior then it's going to be harder still.
Call me shallow, but I don't mind admitting that I'd prefer to wait for one with the GTS pack.
GTS interior pack was a must have for me. Immediately ruled out any car without when searching. I've got platinum which goes with the gt silver exterior but would have gone red too as it looks good.But finding a manual 991.1 is a pretty difficult job. If one is fussy about the interior then it's going to be harder still.
Call me shallow, but I don't mind admitting that I'd prefer to wait for one with the GTS pack.
Palmball said:
What tyres did the car you drove have - summer or winters? I thought very similar when I drove a RWS C2S recently, but it had winter tyres fitted which made it feel very loose at the back as the tread book's clearly moved around A LOT (but a wonderful rubbery ride was a definite upside).
I've since driven one on summer tyres and it's totally different; I would explain it just like IREvans has....unlike the non RWS cars which always push wide initially, RWS perceptibly reduces the initial understeer and instead rotates the car a lot sooner, but not so much that it feels like oversteer. RWS does make it feel nicely balanced and, at speed, it's astonishingly stable. A tiny turning circle is a bonus too.
I've ordered a C4 GTS, on the basis I like the light bar and it will probably enable deployment of it's power more of the time on our wet, greasy roads. But I must admit I am having second thoughts because I do want a car that can move at the back end (controllably) and I don't want an understeery car. The videos I've seen and the road tests I've read suggest the 4wd Carrera is definitely not prone to undertseer and can rotate with the best of them, however I welcome opinions from C4 owners.
I ordered a month ago but no idea on build date yet. Those of you who have build dates in April/May, when did you place your orders? Wifey is picking up a new Macan Turbo next week so hopefully they'll be able to give me some indication then.
Spec is a touch indulgent and currently sits as follows:
Carrera 4 GTS PDK
Carmine red
Black 20" centre locks
Alcantara package GTS Carmine Red
PDCC
-20mm PASM sports suspension
Rear-axle steering
Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake
LED main headlights
Porsche Entry & Drive
ParkAssist (front and rear) with reversing camera
Privacy glass (rear side windows and rear window)
Fuel filler cap with aluminium look finish
Power steering plus
Adaptive cruise control
Lane change assist
Speed limit display
Dimming mirrors and rain sensor
Light design package
GT Sport steering in leather
Heated multifunction steering wheel
18-way adaptive sports seats plus
Seat heating
Smoking package
Passenger footwell storage net
Steering column casing in leather
Sports seat plus backrests in leather
Extended interior package door panel in leather/alcantara
Sun visors in alcantara
Illuminated stainless steel door guards
Burmester
Well done on the spec - I see you exhibited absolutely zero restraint..!I've since driven one on summer tyres and it's totally different; I would explain it just like IREvans has....unlike the non RWS cars which always push wide initially, RWS perceptibly reduces the initial understeer and instead rotates the car a lot sooner, but not so much that it feels like oversteer. RWS does make it feel nicely balanced and, at speed, it's astonishingly stable. A tiny turning circle is a bonus too.
I've ordered a C4 GTS, on the basis I like the light bar and it will probably enable deployment of it's power more of the time on our wet, greasy roads. But I must admit I am having second thoughts because I do want a car that can move at the back end (controllably) and I don't want an understeery car. The videos I've seen and the road tests I've read suggest the 4wd Carrera is definitely not prone to undertseer and can rotate with the best of them, however I welcome opinions from C4 owners.
I ordered a month ago but no idea on build date yet. Those of you who have build dates in April/May, when did you place your orders? Wifey is picking up a new Macan Turbo next week so hopefully they'll be able to give me some indication then.
Spec is a touch indulgent and currently sits as follows:
Carrera 4 GTS PDK
Carmine red
Black 20" centre locks
Alcantara package GTS Carmine Red
PDCC
-20mm PASM sports suspension
Rear-axle steering
Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake
LED main headlights
Porsche Entry & Drive
ParkAssist (front and rear) with reversing camera
Privacy glass (rear side windows and rear window)
Fuel filler cap with aluminium look finish
Power steering plus
Adaptive cruise control
Lane change assist
Speed limit display
Dimming mirrors and rain sensor
Light design package
GT Sport steering in leather
Heated multifunction steering wheel
18-way adaptive sports seats plus
Seat heating
Smoking package
Passenger footwell storage net
Steering column casing in leather
Sports seat plus backrests in leather
Extended interior package door panel in leather/alcantara
Sun visors in alcantara
Illuminated stainless steel door guards
Burmester
I've gone for a C2 GTS PDK, with RWS, but no PDCC....plus a few other glittery bits.
Completely agree with your view on the effect of RWS. I have gone for a C2 as I want it to be a little loose when I want it to be that way. Afraid that a C4 will be so grippy, it wont allow the car to move around...
porkgts said:
GTS interior pack was a must have for me. Immediately ruled out any car without when searching. I've got platinum which goes with the gt silver exterior but would have gone red too as it looks good.
Being forced to tick both GTS boxes on the option list is a typical Porsche trick - but it does make the interior a nicer place, with carbon trim etc....and a used GTS without both these options is a hard sellporkgts said:
Glad it's not just me then!!
No, definitely not just you - I thought it was really (really!) odd. Then remembered the tyres so drove a 911 with RWS on summers and world order happily restored. Everything you describe leads me to believe it was on winters, and if it was a Porsche demo in winter months then that is highly possible.
IREvans said:
Well done on the spec - I see you exhibited absolutely zero restraint..!
I've gone for a C2 GTS PDK, with RWS, but no PDCC....plus a few other glittery bits.
Completely agree with your view on the effect of RWS. I have gone for a C2 as I want it to be a little loose when I want it to be that way. Afraid that a C4 will be so grippy, it wont allow the car to move around...
Err, there is a little restraint shown; I wanted the extended leather dash I've gone for a C2 GTS PDK, with RWS, but no PDCC....plus a few other glittery bits.
Completely agree with your view on the effect of RWS. I have gone for a C2 as I want it to be a little loose when I want it to be that way. Afraid that a C4 will be so grippy, it wont allow the car to move around...
But damn.....the line has to be drawn somewhere.Mmm, I suspect you may be right on the C4, although I did enjoy the Quattro drivetrain in my previous R8; it was a very good system with an electric centre diff allowing anything from full front to full rear wheel drive. I understand the 911 system is very similar (although won't go as far as 100% FWD which is no bad thing). It didn't really allow much 'slip' at either end, but it did rotate without actually oversteering (if you can call that rotating?).
I've decided on going for Rws and probably switch from manual to Pdk despite my upcoming Panny also having Pdk.I'll just have to invoice my £4300 extra for Pdk and Rws to I R Evans account at Bristol Opc.
I have chosen to paint my sills for £400+ but Fokker paid to get his reverted back to black,any thoughts on this.
I thought about body coloured sills too as I initially thought it visually lowered the car (further). But on reflection, I think the contrasting black sills give a nice finish to the lower sides and also match the black front lip. Also, it's an area subjected to road rash so black plastic is always going to be more durable.
On the question on 4vs2
I wanted 2 but perfect spec in four came up so bought that.
I agree with previous comments. These cars create so much grip that it's kind of no notice with 4 vs 2 wheel drive.
That said when it does go it definitely doesn't feel like a Quattro System, it's very rear biased. If you turn traction fully off it's a great car to play with. The rear bias is very good. To be honest (now this is assumption) I believe the 4x4 softens the transition to and from a drift as it more progressively enters it.
On the rotation handling point. The extra 50kg of the 4x4 system is primarily over the front wheels so actually slightly decreases the light front end of the Porsche and hence reduces some of the understeer they're prone to.
Also the residuals look stronger and when it's wet and icey the amount of power you can put down is remarkable. Don't get me wrong though, my preference has always been for more drift prone cars, so whenever I feel that itch I turn traction off.
I wanted 2 but perfect spec in four came up so bought that.
I agree with previous comments. These cars create so much grip that it's kind of no notice with 4 vs 2 wheel drive.
That said when it does go it definitely doesn't feel like a Quattro System, it's very rear biased. If you turn traction fully off it's a great car to play with. The rear bias is very good. To be honest (now this is assumption) I believe the 4x4 softens the transition to and from a drift as it more progressively enters it.
On the rotation handling point. The extra 50kg of the 4x4 system is primarily over the front wheels so actually slightly decreases the light front end of the Porsche and hence reduces some of the understeer they're prone to.
Also the residuals look stronger and when it's wet and icey the amount of power you can put down is remarkable. Don't get me wrong though, my preference has always been for more drift prone cars, so whenever I feel that itch I turn traction off.
Contrail said:
On the question on 4vs2
I wanted 2 but perfect spec in four came up so bought that.
I agree with previous comments. These cars create so much grip that it's kind of no notice with 4 vs 2 wheel drive.
That said when it does go it definitely doesn't feel like a Quattro System, it's very rear biased. If you turn traction fully off it's a great car to play with. The rear bias is very good. To be honest (now this is assumption) I believe the 4x4 softens the transition to and from a drift as it more progressively enters it.
On the rotation handling point. The extra 50kg of the 4x4 system is primarily over the front wheels so actually slightly decreases the light front end of the Porsche and hence reduces some of the understeer they're prone to.
Also the residuals look stronger and when it's wet and icey the amount of power you can put down is remarkable. Don't get me wrong though, my preference has always been for more drift prone cars, so whenever I feel that itch I turn traction off.
On snow/ice, the main advantage of the 4wd system is that the front wheels help "pull" you out of a slide in conjunction with the rear wheels "pushing" you round. When the front wheels aren't driven it's far easier to rotate beyond a point where opposite lock will save you. Means you can hold longer and faster drifts.I wanted 2 but perfect spec in four came up so bought that.
I agree with previous comments. These cars create so much grip that it's kind of no notice with 4 vs 2 wheel drive.
That said when it does go it definitely doesn't feel like a Quattro System, it's very rear biased. If you turn traction fully off it's a great car to play with. The rear bias is very good. To be honest (now this is assumption) I believe the 4x4 softens the transition to and from a drift as it more progressively enters it.
On the rotation handling point. The extra 50kg of the 4x4 system is primarily over the front wheels so actually slightly decreases the light front end of the Porsche and hence reduces some of the understeer they're prone to.
Also the residuals look stronger and when it's wet and icey the amount of power you can put down is remarkable. Don't get me wrong though, my preference has always been for more drift prone cars, so whenever I feel that itch I turn traction off.
Taffy66 said:
I've decided on going for Rws and probably switch from manual to Pdk despite my upcoming Panny also having Pdk.I'll just have to invoice my £4300 extra for Pdk and Rws to I R Evans account at Bristol Opc.
I have chosen to paint my sills for £400+ but Fokker paid to get his reverted back to black,any thoughts on this.
My opinion, sills look best in black. Black merges with the dark underside. If they are painted, especially if they're painted a light or medium colour, they make the horizontal join more apparent. I'm of the opinion that there's nothing that we can do to style the exterior that will make the car look better than than that achieved by Porsche's designers.I have chosen to paint my sills for £400+ but Fokker paid to get his reverted back to black,any thoughts on this.
Taffy, if you're itching to spend the £400, get the leather steering column. You'll see it all the time you're driving and it'll come with deviated stitching to match the rest of the cabin (if you're going with deviated stitching). Looks so much nicer than the plastic column.
Palmball said:
I thought about body coloured sills too as I initially thought it visually lowered the car (further). But on reflection, I think the contrasting black sills give a nice finish to the lower sides and also match the black front lip. Also, it's an area subjected to road rash so black plastic is always going to be more durable.
Yes for me the black sills look better on a silver car although it's a personal thing. WizzBang said:
My opinion, sills look best in black. Black merges with the dark underside. If they are painted, especially if they're painted a light or medium colour, they make the horizontal join more apparent. I'm of the opinion that there's nothing that we can do to style the exterior that will make the car look better than than that achieved by Porsche's designers.
Taffy, if you're itching to spend the £400, get the leather steering column. You'll see it all the time you're driving and it'll come with deviated stitching to match the rest of the cabin (if you're going with deviated stitching). Looks so much nicer than the plastic column.
Yes and you must also have the leather inner door sills too! Taffy, if you're itching to spend the £400, get the leather steering column. You'll see it all the time you're driving and it'll come with deviated stitching to match the rest of the cabin (if you're going with deviated stitching). Looks so much nicer than the plastic column.
Fokker said:
WizzBang said:
My opinion, sills look best in black. Black merges with the dark underside. If they are painted, especially if they're painted a light or medium colour, they make the horizontal join more apparent. I'm of the opinion that there's nothing that we can do to style the exterior that will make the car look better than than that achieved by Porsche's designers.
Taffy, if you're itching to spend the £400, get the leather steering column. You'll see it all the time you're driving and it'll come with deviated stitching to match the rest of the cabin (if you're going with deviated stitching). Looks so much nicer than the plastic column.
Yes and you must also have the leather inner door sills too! Taffy, if you're itching to spend the £400, get the leather steering column. You'll see it all the time you're driving and it'll come with deviated stitching to match the rest of the cabin (if you're going with deviated stitching). Looks so much nicer than the plastic column.
I have opted for the leather steering column for the exact reasons described, but I've maintained considerable restraint on leather door sills. I do want them though, and this has not helped! I'd also like the extended leather dash so you get deviated stitching around the top of the dash and speaker grills, but that and the leather sills is another £1.5k+. Damn Porsche, damn their options and damn their bloody (good) configurator. All this stuff has no value whatsoever come resale
Palmball said:
Fokker said:
WizzBang said:
My opinion, sills look best in black. Black merges with the dark underside. If they are painted, especially if they're painted a light or medium colour, they make the horizontal join more apparent. I'm of the opinion that there's nothing that we can do to style the exterior that will make the car look better than than that achieved by Porsche's designers.
Taffy, if you're itching to spend the £400, get the leather steering column. You'll see it all the time you're driving and it'll come with deviated stitching to match the rest of the cabin (if you're going with deviated stitching). Looks so much nicer than the plastic column.
Yes and you must also have the leather inner door sills too! Taffy, if you're itching to spend the £400, get the leather steering column. You'll see it all the time you're driving and it'll come with deviated stitching to match the rest of the cabin (if you're going with deviated stitching). Looks so much nicer than the plastic column.
I have opted for the leather steering column for the exact reasons described, but I've maintained considerable restraint on leather door sills. I do want them though, and this has not helped! I'd also like the extended leather dash so you get deviated stitching around the top of the dash and speaker grills, but that and the leather sills is another £1.5k+. Damn Porsche, damn their options and damn their bloody (good) configurator. All this stuff has no value whatsoever come resale
I had about 7 months wait between order and build lock-down so there was plenty of time to add 'just one more thing'.
Did the full Monty: Steering column, extended dash, extended rear, door sills, fuse box covers, visors, seat backs, air vents - all with deviated stitching other than the visors.
Even did A CXX order to get the steering wheel with deviated stitching.
Looks great with the GTS package.
Will I get the spend back when I sell, probably not. Am I going to sell, probably not but if I do, I'm sure it'll be an easy sell.
Long since forgotten about the cost and am still thrilled each time I get in.
Wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
WizzBang said:
Agreed - that damn Configurator!
I had about 7 months wait between order and build lock-down so there was plenty of time to add 'just one more thing'.
Did the full Monty: Steering column, extended dash, extended rear, door sills, fuse box covers, visors, seat backs, air vents - all with deviated stitching other than the visors.
Even did A CXX order to get the steering wheel with deviated stitching.
Looks great with the GTS package.
Will I get the spend back when I sell, probably not. Am I going to sell, probably not but if I do, I'm sure it'll be an easy sell.
Long since forgotten about the cost and am still thrilled each time I get in.
Wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
I also did something similar.I had about 7 months wait between order and build lock-down so there was plenty of time to add 'just one more thing'.
Did the full Monty: Steering column, extended dash, extended rear, door sills, fuse box covers, visors, seat backs, air vents - all with deviated stitching other than the visors.
Even did A CXX order to get the steering wheel with deviated stitching.
Looks great with the GTS package.
Will I get the spend back when I sell, probably not. Am I going to sell, probably not but if I do, I'm sure it'll be an easy sell.
Long since forgotten about the cost and am still thrilled each time I get in.
Wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
I don't like the coloured stitching or the carbon lookalike bits.
When ordering mine I chose the full leather and alcantara pack, then optioned, leather trim pack so all the carbon bits are leather, leather extended dash, leather air slats and vents, leather instrument surrounds, leather steering column, leather PCM, leather mats, extended alcantara doors, alcantara visors and red seat belts.
I think it looks a lot better than the GTS package, and think some people overlook what can be achieved with the exclusive options.
Oh yes, I chose PTS slate grey as well....
Edited by Monch on Sunday 26th February 15:39
Palmball said:
Arrgghh....you are very very bad people!
I have opted for the leather steering column for the exact reasons described, but I've maintained considerable restraint on leather door sills. I do want them though, and this has not helped! I'd also like the extended leather dash so you get deviated stitching around the top of the dash and speaker grills, but that and the leather sills is another £1.5k+. Damn Porsche, damn their options and damn their bloody (good) configurator. All this stuff has no value whatsoever come resale
To be honest I had both the steering column and sills in leather on the gt4 with the red stitching and I wouldn't order again. I think they were about 300 quid each. The sills you do see but you actually don't see the steering column that much unless you're actually looking in the area. You certainly don't see it when seated. The sills are nice to see when stepping in and out though. You're correct about lost money though as it's not taken into consideration when trading in. I wouldn't go leather around the speakers either. You just don't notice it enough... I have opted for the leather steering column for the exact reasons described, but I've maintained considerable restraint on leather door sills. I do want them though, and this has not helped! I'd also like the extended leather dash so you get deviated stitching around the top of the dash and speaker grills, but that and the leather sills is another £1.5k+. Damn Porsche, damn their options and damn their bloody (good) configurator. All this stuff has no value whatsoever come resale
anonymous said:
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Agreed. I really don't like turbo'd engines because of lag. The precision feeling is definitely blunted. For what it's worth, some have said that with PDK it finds its gear when you press the throttle and will then finds the correct revs to give you a good shove up the road with little lag. For me, I drive my PDK in manual mode in all but build up areas. This means that you have to constantly be in a lower gear at say plus 3k revs to not notice the lag. That's not how I drive or want to drive. If you don't mind lag and lots don't then all good but the 991.2 I had for a day was definitely pretty laggy and not for me. Very much more point and squirt experience with quite a lot less aural pleasure.
I suppose I'll have to get used to what will undoubtedly be happening in the future, the new panamera Turbo S is a hybrid, the next gen GT cars will prob go that way but while I can have NA I will!
Edited by Fokker on Sunday 26th February 16:35
petrolburners said:
On snow/ice, the main advantage of the 4wd system is that the front wheels help "pull" you out of a slide in conjunction with the rear wheels "pushing" you round. When the front wheels aren't driven it's far easier to rotate beyond a point where opposite lock will save you. Means you can hold longer and faster drifts.
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