997.1t or 991c
Discussion
Looking for my first 911 and Porsche in the next few months and while keeping an eye on the prices, I'm just wondering what people generally think. I've not driven any of them yet, intend to. I'm a little concerned the 991 carrera would be great for a while but the novelty will wear off and become not special enough. The turbo being a turbo I reckon should last as special for longer. The budget is 60k so that makes the 997t a Gen 1 only. Also expecting the 991c prices to drop while with 997t I guess the prices will be stable for a while.
MrCippo said:
Looking for my first 911 and Porsche in the next few months and while keeping an eye on the prices, I'm just wondering what people generally think. I've not driven any of them yet, intend to. I'm a little concerned the 991 carrera would be great for a while but the novelty will wear off and become not special enough. The turbo being a turbo I reckon should last as special for longer. The budget is 60k so that makes the 997t a Gen 1 only. Also expecting the 991c prices to drop while with 997t I guess the prices will be stable for a while.
I'd go for a nice 997 GTS being the last of the non turbo era 911's. They also sound a lot better than a Turbo.We went from a 996C4S to a 997.1 turbo manual. Initially we thought that the turbo was brilliant. Then as time goes on you become numb to it's charms and sheer ability to go very very fast. After a while this capability frankly loses it's appeal. The reason - No engagement. The ride is smooth but, so is the soundtrack. No emotional grab. Frankly I got bored of it. The solution came in the form of 991.1C2S Cabriolet. With PSE and PDK it is soulful and not soulless. Fun fun fun! We've got back what we had with the much missed C4S. We don't really miss any performance. With the PDK it is damn near as fast as the turbo. Road And Track tested it at 3.7secs 0-62 and 191mph. If you can stretch to one go for it.
M666LMJ said:
We went from a 996C4S to a 997.1 turbo manual. Initially we thought that the turbo was brilliant. Then as time goes on you become numb to it's charms and sheer ability to go very very fast. After a while this capability frankly loses it's appeal. The reason - No engagement. The ride is smooth but, so is the soundtrack. No emotional grab. Frankly I got bored of it. The solution came in the form of 991.1C2S Cabriolet. With PSE and PDK it is soulful and not soulless. Fun fun fun! We've got back what we had with the much missed C4S. We don't really miss any performance. With the PDK it is damn near as fast as the turbo. Road And Track tested it at 3.7secs 0-62 and 191mph. If you can stretch to one go for it.
I've had a 996 Turbo and now have a 996C4S and I really don't feel short changed at all.Great car, fast enough for road use, sounds great, wide body looks great, nice 6 speed manual shift and all for just north of £20k.
I think if I really had to spend £60k it would be a 997 GTS. Not too sure I'd get £40k's more pleasure from it though.
Great feedback guys, thank you! I looked into the 997 GTS and I really like it, but it doesn't have back seats that I need for the little one. Appreciate what you are saying about the turbo and that might very well be the case. Maybe the 991C4S is the answer, although I would have mysrlf if the prices take a plunge and I suspect they will.
MrCippo said:
Great feedback guys, thank you! I looked into the 997 GTS and I really like it, but it doesn't have back seats that I need for the little one. Appreciate what you are saying about the turbo and that might very well be the case. Maybe the 991C4S is the answer, although I would have mysrlf if the prices take a plunge and I suspect they will.
997 GTS does have back seats....well not as standard but virtually every car has them. £60k will get you a PDK or maybe a manual from a private seller. I love mine! M666LMJ said:
We went from a 996C4S to a 997.1 turbo manual. Initially we thought that the turbo was brilliant. Then as time goes on you become numb to it's charms and sheer ability to go very very fast. After a while this capability frankly loses it's appeal. The reason - No engagement. The ride is smooth but, so is the soundtrack. No emotional grab. Frankly I got bored of it. The solution came in the form of 991.1C2S Cabriolet. With PSE and PDK it is soulful and not soulless. Fun fun fun! We've got back what we had with the much missed C4S. We don't really miss any performance. With the PDK it is damn near as fast as the turbo. Road And Track tested it at 3.7secs 0-62 and 191mph. If you can stretch to one go for it.
Agree entirely. The 997.1 Turbo is not a 'fun' car. The naturally aspirated cars are much more interesting - i went from Turbo to C4S for this reason.The C4S, and GTS, gives you the widebody of the Turbo but the true noise of a flat six! The GTS also most definetly has rear seats. If you want a more special experience, search for one with the very expensive and very lovely bucket seats.
The 991 is an excellent all round car. The interior is great, there's little road noise and yet there is great positivity to the steering and chassis which reminds you are definetly in a sports car. It really is unflappable, and would be an easy choice if it was a daily driven car.
The 997 feels like a car of old, with actually pretty terrible NVH, but as a result you have that connection with it. It's the 'right' size, has the steering feel, the bobbing nose, those other little features you expect from a 911.
For me, the 997 also looks great (particularly in Gen 2 guise). As a result, it's a future classic for sure. The early 991 may be the last of the naturally aspirated, but the purists will also knock the steering (for the record, i think it's fine) and contrived aspects such as the theatrical sports exhaust.
The 997 feels like a car of old, with actually pretty terrible NVH, but as a result you have that connection with it. It's the 'right' size, has the steering feel, the bobbing nose, those other little features you expect from a 911.
For me, the 997 also looks great (particularly in Gen 2 guise). As a result, it's a future classic for sure. The early 991 may be the last of the naturally aspirated, but the purists will also knock the steering (for the record, i think it's fine) and contrived aspects such as the theatrical sports exhaust.
MrCippo said:
Excellent, I do like the wide body. I hope in a few months when the time comes I can find something reasonable in my budget, if no GTS, well C2S is a pretty attractive option, 997 or 991.
If you are patient you will find a GTS for that money. Trade bids are apparently around £56 or £ 57k there was a manual coupe on eBay recently for £60k it's now on Hexagon's website for £75k! PDK will be easier to get. I'd like to stick up for the 997.1 Turbo. I have one and absolutely love it. It's a much more engaging steer than some might give it credit for. You do need to work it though. I always have to mentally readjust when I'm pressing on across challenging roads; simply due to the enormous thrust. It is an absolute weapon and feels very 'honest' - the steering is great and it feels pretty analogue. With the exception of a little ABS chatter over broken surfaces, it just gets on with the business of demolishing every road in its path. It's not the last word in finesse (that's my old Exige!) but it is properly fun and feels special.
Hi Gents, been reading through the previous posts about the choice between a turbo and GTS. I understand everyone is going to have different opinions on what they think best but can anyone give advice on whether a Porsche 997 Turbo, manual, will hold its money for the future. As i love my cars but every car i've had up to now just loses so much money over time. And what better way to secure not losing as much by buying one of these beasts. I have really set my heart on a 997 Turbo manual as they seem to be rarer than auto's. Anyone shed any light or thoughts on this purchase please?
chevronb37 said:
I'd like to stick up for the 997.1 Turbo. I have one and absolutely love it. It's a much more engaging steer than some might give it credit for. You do need to work it though. I always have to mentally readjust when I'm pressing on across challenging roads; simply due to the enormous thrust. It is an absolute weapon and feels very 'honest' - the steering is great and it feels pretty analogue. With the exception of a little ABS chatter over broken surfaces, it just gets on with the business of demolishing every road in its path. It's not the last word in finesse (that's my old Exige!) but it is properly fun and feels special.
Totally agree with this sentiment. I was getting a bit frustrated with my "aged" 997.1T and decided to look at a 991 Carrera S as a replacement. It all seemed a bit too GT and Audi TT to me inside. So, decided to keep the 997.1T and add a Macan to the garage to meet the need for something a bit more modern......Man, hearing the 997TT is soulless is hurting me lol...I'm coming from an E90 M3 and when I get back to London the idea is to either get a 997.2TT (manual) or a 2013 R8 (manual)...I want something distinctly faster than the M3, have been leaning towards the 997.2 just because it has backseats and I have two little ones, even though we'll have an SUV I just have a feeling I will need the backseats on occasion.
dandavies81082 said:
Hi Gents, been reading through the previous posts about the choice between a turbo and GTS. I understand everyone is going to have different opinions on what they think best but can anyone give advice on whether a Porsche 997 Turbo, manual, will hold its money for the future. As i love my cars but every car i've had up to now just loses so much money over time. And what better way to secure not losing as much by buying one of these beasts. I have really set my heart on a 997 Turbo manual as they seem to be rarer than auto's. Anyone shed any light or thoughts on this purchase please?
That was my thinking 2.5 years ago and it has worked out well so far, paid about 48/49 in terms of purchase price pluscosmetic and servicing to get it to top nick, it's a black/black well specced manual with low mileage so worth low 50s maybe even 55, although I think things may come down a bit. That is fine as I didn't plan on making money just not losing too much.
Great cars and plenty fun enough for me
spencer604 said:
Man, hearing the 997TT is soulless is hurting me lol...I'm coming from an E90 M3 and when I get back to London the idea is to either get a 997.2TT (manual) or a 2013 R8 (manual)...I want something distinctly faster than the M3, have been leaning towards the 997.2 just because it has backseats and I have two little ones, even though we'll have an SUV I just have a feeling I will need the backseats on occasion.
Spencer, I know its not quite in line with the topic, as I ended up with a 7.1 GT3. But I did move from an e90 M3 to said, and the transformation is blinding. Yes BHP is similar, but the delivery, handling, feel, noise, stance is on another level. True this is a gt3 so will be even less comfortable than a turbo. But all I can say is the e90 felt like a boring saloon in comparison. P.S. I have a child and have another on the way and as its comfort spec with no scaffolding in the back I can actually cram a seat in the back
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