997.1t or 991c
Discussion
hondansx said:
GT3 is a completely different car to the Turbo. Not that i wouldn't use one daily - i did in fact!
If a Turbo to driver got into a GT3, within a few minutes they'd realise what a 911 is meant to be all about.
This is very true. Equally, anyone who jumps out of an M3 (as I did) into a 997 turbo will realise just how poor the M3 handled.If a Turbo to driver got into a GT3, within a few minutes they'd realise what a 911 is meant to be all about.
I don't really understand the negativity towards the 997.1 turbo. Yes, there are more interactive drives available from Porsche but compared to virtually every other manufacturer, it offers a fantastic level of driver satisfaction.
anonymous said:
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All very good points. I would have loved a GT3 and was close to getting a 997.1 Comfort but it would have been pretty unforgiving in the 77,000km I have done in 3.5 years. I had a very difficult decision chosing between a 997 GTS (2wd, LSD, manual, PASM -20mm and rear seats - the perfect spec) or my turbo. The GTS edged the turbo for pure driving pleasure but the engine felt quite lethargic compared the the V8 in my M3. I do mourn the throttle reponse in the turbo and the peak power coming at only 6k rmp but the way it fires itself out of corners and flys along the autobahn is still very addictive. The GTS is better looking though......
Just getting back to the OP's question, the turbo is more enjoyable than the 991.1 unless it will be your DD. I found it far less special but the wind noise and tyre roar makes it less tiring on an everyday basis. Steering is far better in the 997 though.
Horses for courses.
Edited by krallicious on Tuesday 18th October 15:29
anonymous said:
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A good summary, people criticise the turbo because it is not what they are after in a 911, rather than accepting it is a different flavour of 911. Which is why you getting silly comments like:"If a Turbo driver got into a GT3, within a few minutes they'd realise what a 911 is meant to be all about."
The turbo was never intended to be scalpel sharp track day tool, it is an everyday all-weather 4 seat sports car, and because of that you sacrifice some of the finesse of the GT3. As my only car which needs to carry a child in the back, and my love of boost and power, and my zero interest in track days in it, the turbo is the perfect car for me.
The 911 turbo was my poster car when I was a boy. I didn't even know Porsche did a car which wasn't a 911 turbo!
OP, I don't know how old you kids are, but my 4 year old girl and 2 year old boy love the boost of the car, and I love the way I can do all the family stuff without too much of a compromise. In fact, apart from getting more food shopping in the car I haven't missed any extra space. We have a family car for the boring stuff.
When I do drive the car I frequently try and understand the 'bad press' about the car (I am not sure if the comments are/were owners of a manual 997.1 turbo?). I may be lucky and have a good one, but the throttle response on my car is very good, and as for handling I really feel the car is direct and responsive. I do watch quite a few reviews on youtube of the models from 993 on, and to be honest the professional drivers don't seem to have the problems with the car that the forum members have with the way the turbos drive.
The only time I drove a GT3 was a 997.1 RS, my god that clutch was heavy and it was an OPC car, so I guess it should have been good. I am sure non turbo 911's are more precise at the near limits of the car, but for the majority of the time I myself could not notice the difference, and I know I would have always hankered for my poster car! I still look at it in the garage after a good run, listening to it ticking and smelling of a good drive and realise I made the right choice. Basically, buy the best you can and drive a few if possible and get the one that makes YOU smile the most.
OP, I don't know how old you kids are, but my 4 year old girl and 2 year old boy love the boost of the car, and I love the way I can do all the family stuff without too much of a compromise. In fact, apart from getting more food shopping in the car I haven't missed any extra space. We have a family car for the boring stuff.
When I do drive the car I frequently try and understand the 'bad press' about the car (I am not sure if the comments are/were owners of a manual 997.1 turbo?). I may be lucky and have a good one, but the throttle response on my car is very good, and as for handling I really feel the car is direct and responsive. I do watch quite a few reviews on youtube of the models from 993 on, and to be honest the professional drivers don't seem to have the problems with the car that the forum members have with the way the turbos drive.
The only time I drove a GT3 was a 997.1 RS, my god that clutch was heavy and it was an OPC car, so I guess it should have been good. I am sure non turbo 911's are more precise at the near limits of the car, but for the majority of the time I myself could not notice the difference, and I know I would have always hankered for my poster car! I still look at it in the garage after a good run, listening to it ticking and smelling of a good drive and realise I made the right choice. Basically, buy the best you can and drive a few if possible and get the one that makes YOU smile the most.
anonymous said:
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I am interested in what the precision is. I have not spent much time at all in a non turbo 911, so couldn't even begin to understand in an educated way. Is it a combination of things? I do drive my car very early in the morning to get clear roads and responses seem pretty dam good to me! Like the OP my quick car before the turbo was an M3, I think he will be in for a treat no matter which one he gets.
Well,
I've had a few nasp 911s, but I've had my gen 1.5 997tt for 4 years now and it's a keeper.
Whilst it might not be as "precise" (aka predictable) as a nasp car, the surge of power once the turbos spool up is highly addictive. In addition, learning to drive the car to extract the most fun out of it is a greater challenge, and I think more rewarding when you get it right.
I drove a 991c when I was buying the car. It too is a great car, but to me it felt more like a modern GT than a 911. Getting back into the Turbo after the 991 was more exciting.
Each to their own IMHO. Drive both and see what you think. I'm not a good enough driver to notice the "on the limits" difference so I am talking about day to day drive and how it feels to me. But I love it.
I've had a few nasp 911s, but I've had my gen 1.5 997tt for 4 years now and it's a keeper.
Whilst it might not be as "precise" (aka predictable) as a nasp car, the surge of power once the turbos spool up is highly addictive. In addition, learning to drive the car to extract the most fun out of it is a greater challenge, and I think more rewarding when you get it right.
I drove a 991c when I was buying the car. It too is a great car, but to me it felt more like a modern GT than a 911. Getting back into the Turbo after the 991 was more exciting.
Each to their own IMHO. Drive both and see what you think. I'm not a good enough driver to notice the "on the limits" difference so I am talking about day to day drive and how it feels to me. But I love it.
I guess why i was so disappointed with with the 997.1 Turbo is, like someone else has mentioned, i compared it to the '80s 911 Turbo poster on my wall. The original Turbos were fast - scary fast. It didn't suffer fools and you could tell that from 100yds.
Today's Turbos seems to benefit from the legend status despite being fairly meek to look at (in 997.1 Turbo form especially) and feel extremely safe to drive.
Now, i wouldn't have a problem with this if it blended sports and GT car. But the 997.1 Turbo really doesn't do this. It is not a pleasant motorway car; i imagine a Ford Focus of the same era could teach a 997.1 Turbo a thing or two about NVH.
Whilst, yes, they are very quick, i find myself getting acclimatised to speed pretty quickly. So once i got used to the 997.1 Turbo, i got very bored, very quickly.
Today's 991 Turbo combines the insane speed, is fun to drive (forget the obsession over steering feel, it is just a much more dynamic car) and yet wheel cruise around like a Golf when you're not in the mood.
I personally think forums are a dangerous tool for finding opinions of cars, because inevitably we seek to justify our purchases. There's another thread in this forum where people are trying to say a Tiptronic Turbo is a great combination - a perfect match! Nope, it makes a dull car even worse.
My theory here is owners have come from 'lesser' cars and haven't much to compare it too. Combined with the need to justify the purchase, the 997.1 Turbo clings on to its reputation.
For the record i've had a 997.1 Carrera S, 997.2 Carrera 4S, 997.1 Turbo, 997.2 Turbo S, 997.1 GT3, 991 Carrera 4 and 991 Turbo S. I have no motive to bash the 997.1 Turbo, it's just my honest view when comparing them over time.
Today's Turbos seems to benefit from the legend status despite being fairly meek to look at (in 997.1 Turbo form especially) and feel extremely safe to drive.
Now, i wouldn't have a problem with this if it blended sports and GT car. But the 997.1 Turbo really doesn't do this. It is not a pleasant motorway car; i imagine a Ford Focus of the same era could teach a 997.1 Turbo a thing or two about NVH.
Whilst, yes, they are very quick, i find myself getting acclimatised to speed pretty quickly. So once i got used to the 997.1 Turbo, i got very bored, very quickly.
Today's 991 Turbo combines the insane speed, is fun to drive (forget the obsession over steering feel, it is just a much more dynamic car) and yet wheel cruise around like a Golf when you're not in the mood.
I personally think forums are a dangerous tool for finding opinions of cars, because inevitably we seek to justify our purchases. There's another thread in this forum where people are trying to say a Tiptronic Turbo is a great combination - a perfect match! Nope, it makes a dull car even worse.
My theory here is owners have come from 'lesser' cars and haven't much to compare it too. Combined with the need to justify the purchase, the 997.1 Turbo clings on to its reputation.
For the record i've had a 997.1 Carrera S, 997.2 Carrera 4S, 997.1 Turbo, 997.2 Turbo S, 997.1 GT3, 991 Carrera 4 and 991 Turbo S. I have no motive to bash the 997.1 Turbo, it's just my honest view when comparing them over time.
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