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throt said:
So,, was 350 units the accurate final UK figure for the 991GT3.1 then ??.
TIA...
I cannot remember exact figures and with the iPad I cannot access DVLA data, but if you want to know exact numbers go to DVLA -veh0160 and it gives a year by year number of deliveries first registered new.TIA...
av185 said:
But the UK is a very important growing market for Porsche and GT cars aren't about making them profit...its all about the brand filtering to lesser models.
Thats why they are underpriced new and supply is restricted.
It was irrelevant to Porsche that they could have asked say £200k for the 991 GT3 RS and sold three times as many. The 'profit' for Porsche lies in other models which are enhanced by these GT halo cars.
I agree with this but there's also a balancing act...plenty of very good OPC customers who have spent significant six figure sums aren't getting a sniff....and as we know from the classified ad's plenty of the "VIP" customers are happy to flip cars. I don't think Porsche really cares that much about cars getting flipped for a profit per se...it's good publicity to an extent. Its only an issue is if people go and buy a McLaren 570 GT instead of a 991 Turbo S because they dont get a sniff.Thats why they are underpriced new and supply is restricted.
It was irrelevant to Porsche that they could have asked say £200k for the 991 GT3 RS and sold three times as many. The 'profit' for Porsche lies in other models which are enhanced by these GT halo cars.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see increased volumes with 991.2 GT3....there are a lot of very good Porsche customers who could do with being "shown some love" and VW Group needs the money.
Cheib said:
I agree with this but there's also a balancing act...plenty of very good OPC customers who have spent significant six figure sums aren't getting a sniff....and as we know from the classified ad's plenty of the "VIP" customers are happy to flip cars. I don't think Porsche really cares that much about cars getting flipped for a profit per se...it's good publicity to an extent. Its only an issue is if people go and buy a McLaren 570 GT instead of a 991 Turbo S because they dont get a sniff.
It appears PGB have had words with a number of OPCs following the flipping saga and the moratorium on OPCs advertising flipped GT4s RS and Spyders last year to a degree also partly addressed this.Also anyone flipping a GT car outside the network either privately or through an independent will in future not be able to buy another new one....and rightly so.
av185 said:
It appears PGB have had words with a number of OPCs following the flipping saga and the moratorium on OPCs advertising flipped GT4s RS and Spyders last year to a degree also partly addressed this.
Also anyone flipping a GT car outside the network either privately or through an independent will in future not be able to buy another new one....and rightly so.
I was assured by my dealer (and he's always been spot on with everything he has told me) that the cars at their centre will only go to customers who they have dealt with for a while and do not flip cars.He said they already have a list of who they would like to sell to,and its been whittled down.Also anyone flipping a GT car outside the network either privately or through an independent will in future not be able to buy another new one....and rightly so.
4.3 billion dollar fines plus an on going compensation claim by vw owners in u.s.a. and europe, plus a 10% drop in global sales... er phone call from vw hq. To porsche hq.(hello,see those sports car thingys you make, that cost loads and everybody wants but cant get.the ones with the highest per unit profit margin in the world.well go and make loads of them cause were skint)
Porsche..nah,
Volkswagen..ohh,ok then.
Porsche..nah,
Volkswagen..ohh,ok then.
So I think you can safely say that if there were 600 odd 991.1 GT3 RS's that came to our shores then there will be a similar amount of 991.2 GT3's.
Also if there is going to be another manual model such as a wingless manual 911R lite / ST, call it what you will, production numbers could be split so 300 of each for example.
The spanner in the works might well be the weak pound though. 911 allocations have apparently been limited to many OPC's in the first qtr of this year.
Also if there is going to be another manual model such as a wingless manual 911R lite / ST, call it what you will, production numbers could be split so 300 of each for example.
The spanner in the works might well be the weak pound though. 911 allocations have apparently been limited to many OPC's in the first qtr of this year.
The recently announced 991.2 GTS has increased from £91000 to £94300 at least in part due to the weakening pound.
On this basis a likely basic price for the GT3 will be around £104000 although whether P will increase this further in the light of the previous models hysteria remains to be seen.
On this basis a likely basic price for the GT3 will be around £104000 although whether P will increase this further in the light of the previous models hysteria remains to be seen.
av185 said:
But the UK is a very important growing market for Porsche and GT cars aren't about making them profit...its all about the brand filtering to lesser models.
Thats why they are underpriced new and supply is restricted.
It was irrelevant to Porsche that they could have asked say £200k for the 991 GT3 RS and sold three times as many. The 'profit' for Porsche lies in other models which are enhanced by these GT halo cars.
my statement applies to all Porsche models to varying degrees - you can sell them in Germany/Eurozone for more money than they are currently being sold for in the UK. So much so that I thought about ordering a LHD Turbo or Targa in the UK, driving it for a year and then selling it in Germany for probably next-to-no-loss.Thats why they are underpriced new and supply is restricted.
It was irrelevant to Porsche that they could have asked say £200k for the 991 GT3 RS and sold three times as many. The 'profit' for Porsche lies in other models which are enhanced by these GT halo cars.
Also, I would put a questionmark next to the "very important growing market for Porsche" ..... Brexit and all might not exactly have a positive influence on future Porsche sales in the UK - therefore not sure how keen they are on "subsidizing" the UK sales (not least because making as much money as possible to pay for all of those VW fines might be important)
We will see I guess ...
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So how come the Tom Hartleys, Autosalon Singens and the likes seem to always get multiple ltd cars to sell .... I somehow doubt they have to cycle through their clients one by one, as every one who has sold a car is banned at the next go-round ... It would not actually surprise me if Porsche happily sold direct to them, knowing full well they will resell immediately at big mark-ups - no better marketing than this if you are going for perceived exclusivityRSVP911 said:
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Av as much as I'd like you to be right - I'm with the moose on this - I bet there will be loads of them in the indies yet again - just look at the R 
anonymous said:
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Firstly, I specifically said anyone flipping a car OUTSIDE THE NETWORK ETHER PRIVATELY OR THROUGH AN INDEPENDENT will not get another GT car. So how could the OPC benefit from that? 
It clearly could not.
In contrast you are referring to cars flipped through an OPC. Are you saying Porsche GB will freely allow OPCs to advertise and sell future flipped 991.2 GT3s say early next year for what, lets say £175k? What about the moratorium? Will that be scrapped? Extremely doubtful.
Without naming names, I can categorically state that at least 9 OPCs across 3 groups located thoughout the 'Midlands and North Midlands' have specifically excluded anyone from obtaining another GT car allocation due to them flipping a GT3 GT4 Spyder or RS outside the network.
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