991 GT3 gen 1

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Jonny TVR

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4,534 posts

282 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Been looking at this model for a while and the prices seem to have increased or rather the asking prices. Some of these are 4 years old now, how much were they from new? If I bought one where would their value be in 2 years time doing 10K a year. I know its not just about the money but it does help when justifying. I was considering a turbo but the equivalent year turbo has fallen in price a lot more. I'm new to 911's so excuse the lack of knowledge

v8ksn

4,711 posts

185 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Jonny TVR said:
Been looking at this model for a while and the prices seem to have increased or rather the asking prices. Some of these are 4 years old now, how much were they from new? If I bought one where would their value be in 2 years time doing 10K a year. I know its not just about the money but it does help when justifying. I was considering a turbo but the equivalent year turbo has fallen in price a lot more. I'm new to 911's so excuse the lack of knowledge
Hi Jonny

Not sure if you are aware but the new 991.2 GT3 has just been announced and it will have PDK and manual gearbox options. This will have a negative affect on the PDK only 991.1 GT3 prices.

The list price of the new GT3 is £112k and current asking prices of the old GT3 are around £120k. This £120k odd price will soften depending on the availability of the new GT3. i.e. If everyone who wants one can walk in and buy one then why would anyone pay more for the older model that has known engine issues?

If I was in your shoes, I would take a trip down to your local Porsche dealer and ask about getting a new 991.2 GT3. They may tell you that you have no chance of getting one, in which case I would suggest you wait to see what happens to the old prices.

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Jonny TVR said:
Been looking at this model for a while and the prices seem to have increased or rather the asking prices. Some of these are 4 years old now, how much were they from new? If I bought one where would their value be in 2 years time doing 10K a year. I know its not just about the money but it does help when justifying. I was considering a turbo but the equivalent year turbo has fallen in price a lot more. I'm new to 911's so excuse the lack of knowledge
I think the earliest cars were late 2013, so not yet 3 1/2 years old?!

The new Gen 2 GT3 has just been announced, but on first review is very much a small evolution, rather than revolution and in any case is likely to have many more people interested than cars available, which should support prices for the old car.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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I think the new engine is a "revolution" and would not touch a gen 1 991 GT3 myself due to the engine alone.

"it's a quantum leap and even a big step up from the RS engine. Technology goes on and we learn from the track because that kind of engine family we use in the GT3 R, in the race car it's the same family, we are on the same engine platform and the same technology and lots of parts in the second generation are in the race car. It's absolutely the same engine as in the new Cup car, for example"

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 7th March 11:34

SamH216

58 posts

212 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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I would expect a number of Gen 1 cars to be coming to the market later in the year after current owners swap to Gen 2. Personally I can't see anything other than a downward trend now for Gen 1.

I would certainly be very uncomfortable buying a 991.1 GT3 in 2017.

av185

18,514 posts

128 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Be interesting to see what happens to 991.1 prices as the new car will be around £200k flipped which could actually support the gen 1. GT4 prices have also firmed up as expected which will also have a bearing.

The engine issues on the gen 1 are overdone. A fantastic engine and sweeter than the RS.

Only a fool would run a 991 GT3 without warranty anyway.


sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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How? Why? In what way?

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Makes no difference to me, I'm not selling!

What will those disappointed punters buy if they can't get a 991.2 GT3?

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Thanks. Fair enough - I've not yet watched the video.

(However, wasn't it you that previously said that AP was just a marketing man and therefore to take what he says with a pinch of salt?!)

Cheib

23,287 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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I think at current prices the 991.1 GT3 looks okay.....the big question is how many get sold when people get allocated a 991.2. OPC Silverstone have just got a 500 mile Gulf Orange car in which looked stunning when I saw it at the weekend. It was up for £145k. If 991.2's are really going to be £200k then what price a 500 mile 991.1 ? Interestingly it's disappeared from the AUC site this morning....

AndyCGTS

589 posts

204 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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sidicks said:
What will those disappointed punters buy if they can't get a 991.2 GT3?
991.2 GTS or move or another brand i'd guess.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

144 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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The same for 996 / 997 gen 2's and so on... Isnt that the point of a gen 2?

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

144 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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AndyCGTS said:
sidicks said:
What will those disappointed punters buy if they can't get a 991.2 GT3?
991.2 GTS or move or another brand i'd guess.
Nope. Sidicks called it. If my phone doesn't ring I'll happily go for a (potentially slightly depreciated) 991 GT3.

Such sort term memories, they are still one hell of a road car.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

144 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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That's true. The tech and engineering step change this time round does seem to be a significant one compared to other models...


Cheib

23,287 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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AndyCGTS said:
sidicks said:
What will those disappointed punters buy if they can't get a 991.2 GT3?
991.2 GTS or move or another brand i'd guess.
I'm hoping it means that some 997.2's get sold and are looking for a new home.

hondansx

4,572 posts

226 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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The Gen 2 GT3 is great news for people looking at fast 911s full stop!

It will be a domino effect once Chris Harris declares it the best thing since sliced bread (until the next one comes along, naturally). The 991.1 GT3 prices will start to go below list by the time the new cars are delivered, and importantly for me, the 997 GT3 will lose it's USP.

More importantly though, it's just supply and demand. It sounds like there will be a lot of Gen 2s made and they've said it upfront.

For me, it'll be interesting to see how far down the chain it goes. Will people still pay £400k for a 911R? Are you sure the GT3 RS 4.0 is the 'daddy' still? Will a 'lowly' GTS model be able to hold its money when there are a boatload of GT3s to tantalise you?

Bring it on. I want my cheapo 997 GT3 please.

HokumPokum

2,051 posts

206 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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u r dreaming. the 997 gt3 are a completely different animal.
just because they have a stick doesn't make the cars equivalent.

IMI A

9,410 posts

202 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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sidicks said:
Jonny TVR said:
Been looking at this model for a while and the prices seem to have increased or rather the asking prices. Some of these are 4 years old now, how much were they from new? If I bought one where would their value be in 2 years time doing 10K a year. I know its not just about the money but it does help when justifying. I was considering a turbo but the equivalent year turbo has fallen in price a lot more. I'm new to 911's so excuse the lack of knowledge
I think the earliest cars were late 2013, so not yet 3 1/2 years old?!

The new Gen 2 GT3 has just been announced, but on first review is very much a small evolution, rather than revolution and in any case is likely to have many more people interested than cars available, which should support prices for the old car.
As others have said I'd say this is the more significant than most gen 2 facelifts. Reading in between the lines on AP'S 2 interviews with Diatribe and Evo he's almost saying we've finally fixed the engine. Interesting to see how many VW/Porsche AG make - I have a feeling they may well accommodate all those who wanted one and did not get one last time round.

IMI A

9,410 posts

202 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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HokumPokum said:
u r dreaming. the 997 gt3 are a completely different animal.
just because they have a stick doesn't make the cars equivalent.
You still got yours?

HokumPokum

2,051 posts

206 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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yes

isaldiri

18,621 posts

169 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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HokumPokum said:
u r dreaming. the 997 gt3 are a completely different animal.
just because they have a stick doesn't make the cars equivalent.
Agree completely but that kind of difference is certainly going to be lost on all of the motoring press that will be united in fawning over the manual gearbox and most other people as well.