991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..
Discussion
Re the folding buckets
I have had them on my last three GT cars and find them very comfortable. We've just returned from a trip to Ireland covering around 1100 miles and never once felt uncomfortable but I tend to drive with my seat more forward than I used Avoiding any tendency to slouch.
Mrs Taffy (in the passenger seat) complained up to the point that she slid the seat forward to allow her feet to brace against the inclined front of the footwell thereby pushing her tailbone back into the base of the backrest. Hey presto - problem solved!
The key seems to be to use the support offered by the backrest which some might feel are too upright to start with but is worth it.
I have had them on my last three GT cars and find them very comfortable. We've just returned from a trip to Ireland covering around 1100 miles and never once felt uncomfortable but I tend to drive with my seat more forward than I used Avoiding any tendency to slouch.
Mrs Taffy (in the passenger seat) complained up to the point that she slid the seat forward to allow her feet to brace against the inclined front of the footwell thereby pushing her tailbone back into the base of the backrest. Hey presto - problem solved!
The key seems to be to use the support offered by the backrest which some might feel are too upright to start with but is worth it.
Taffy59 said:
Re the folding buckets
I have had them on my last three GT cars and find them very comfortable. We've just returned from a trip to Ireland covering around 1100 miles and never once felt uncomfortable but I tend to drive with my seat more forward than I used Avoiding any tendency to slouch.
Mrs Taffy (in the passenger seat) complained up to the point that she slid the seat forward to allow her feet to brace against the inclined front of the footwell thereby pushing her tailbone back into the base of the backrest. Hey presto - problem solved!
The key seems to be to use the support offered by the backrest which some might feel are too upright to start with but is worth it.
the seats too upright so you pivot about on your pelvis over spreading the load down your back, it's simple ergonomics, hence the tilt bracket can help.I have had them on my last three GT cars and find them very comfortable. We've just returned from a trip to Ireland covering around 1100 miles and never once felt uncomfortable but I tend to drive with my seat more forward than I used Avoiding any tendency to slouch.
Mrs Taffy (in the passenger seat) complained up to the point that she slid the seat forward to allow her feet to brace against the inclined front of the footwell thereby pushing her tailbone back into the base of the backrest. Hey presto - problem solved!
The key seems to be to use the support offered by the backrest which some might feel are too upright to start with but is worth it.
But the bracket is angling up the car seat at the front, and this will raise your thighs and increase the slumping posture.
Adding lumber will be of no help in the main, it just a poor designed seat. yes you can add a cushion to the LWB as imo it's also the wrong shape, but one should never be able to feel a push in the back from a Lumber adjust of extra padding.
The seat back should be angled back to the same degree that your spine arches back as it ascends out of your lumbar hollow. and of course every ones back has it's own curve.
av185 said:
Back on the seats as discussed many times before it depends entirely on your build and height as to which seats are best for you.
I am 6'1 and slimish build and have different seats in different cars in use all the time.
I actually find the standard sports seats the least comfortable as I slide around and sit ON them rather than IN them also they give you far less connection with the car.
The older p03 folding buckets main advantage is rear access although this is clearly largely irrelevant in a caged car. Other than that I find them less comfortable than the newer p11 Spyder buckets which clearly look far better too especially with the carbon etc and make the p03s look dated.
6 foot ,12 stone and The sports seats are the best fit for me.So even your size and shape does not matter in such circumstances.I find the sports seats very snug and do not move in them at all (40-42 inch chest and 30 inch waist) and the negligible difference in feel with regard to connection is to me a good thing,I can feel everything but it does not impact my spine which I found was the issue in the gt4 I had with buckets.What I will say is I have no bum so to speak so no natural cushioning.I am 6'1 and slimish build and have different seats in different cars in use all the time.
I actually find the standard sports seats the least comfortable as I slide around and sit ON them rather than IN them also they give you far less connection with the car.
The older p03 folding buckets main advantage is rear access although this is clearly largely irrelevant in a caged car. Other than that I find them less comfortable than the newer p11 Spyder buckets which clearly look far better too especially with the carbon etc and make the p03s look dated.
Everyone is different ,the issue really is the lack of ability to try such seats prior to ordering.
av185 said:
My car also has the play in 4th gear and like you I didn't notice excessive play in 4th on the Crayon/Chalk? (Photo below) PEC car I drove in January.
As previously mentioned Porsche have sent an e mail to my OPC stating that some play in 4th gear is to be expected with the car.
I remain sceptical on this and am still awaiting details of how much movement is considered acceptable.
I know there is at least 1 other PHer who has had a replacement gearbox (SWGT3) as have some NAmerican cars.
If you don't mind me asking what is your OPC saying about the issue?
To be perfectly honest I haven't discussed this issue with my OPC. As previously mentioned Porsche have sent an e mail to my OPC stating that some play in 4th gear is to be expected with the car.
I remain sceptical on this and am still awaiting details of how much movement is considered acceptable.
I know there is at least 1 other PHer who has had a replacement gearbox (SWGT3) as have some NAmerican cars.
If you don't mind me asking what is your OPC saying about the issue?
Edited by av185 on Thursday 26th April 11:01
If you guys hadn't flagged this up I may have just thought it was a characteristic of this gearbox.
You have now prompted me to email the OPC. I have a long standing and good relationship with their warranty and technical advisor. He also used to be the service manager.
I will try to find out if anyone else has mentioned it. Not sure even how many manuals they supplied.
Will keep you posted...
Digga said:
ince the seats are a fixed entity, the variable is likely to be you. Most lower back pain is linked to tightness in legs, so perhaps Google for some sort of stretches. Hamstrings and glutes are huge muscles, so if they are too tight, they can exert terrific, unwanted force onto the body.
This is a good point. I adjusted the steering wheel on the PEC car to be nearer on the instructors advice and didn't have any issues with the seats. It might all be down to posture and a few adjustments. The seats are clearly designed for the track which is why they're not called comfort seats. In hindsight I would have liked to have tried the Folding buckets first but I'm not sure it would have helped as a long drive is needed to really try them out.
One other thing I heard at the PEC.
I expressed surprise at just how busy the place is. Obviously they can't all have bought new cars! I was told their throughput of drivers is approx 180,000 per year! Surely this is wrong? Not sure how many days they're open but assuming 252 working days that's 714 clients per day. No wonder they're busy
I expressed surprise at just how busy the place is. Obviously they can't all have bought new cars! I was told their throughput of drivers is approx 180,000 per year! Surely this is wrong? Not sure how many days they're open but assuming 252 working days that's 714 clients per day. No wonder they're busy
browngt3 said:
One other thing I heard at the PEC.
I expressed surprise at just how busy the place is. Obviously they can't all have bought new cars! I was told their throughput of drivers is approx 180,000 per year! Surely this is wrong? Not sure how many days they're open but assuming 252 working days that's 714 clients per day. No wonder they're busy
70 a day and 18,000 sounds more realistic though I think 18,000 is more than the number of cars Porsche GB sells in a year. I expressed surprise at just how busy the place is. Obviously they can't all have bought new cars! I was told their throughput of drivers is approx 180,000 per year! Surely this is wrong? Not sure how many days they're open but assuming 252 working days that's 714 clients per day. No wonder they're busy
Cheib said:
browngt3 said:
One other thing I heard at the PEC.
I expressed surprise at just how busy the place is. Obviously they can't all have bought new cars! I was told their throughput of drivers is approx 180,000 per year! Surely this is wrong? Not sure how many days they're open but assuming 252 working days that's 714 clients per day. No wonder they're busy
70 a day and 18,000 sounds more realistic though I think 18,000 is more than the number of cars Porsche GB sells in a year. I expressed surprise at just how busy the place is. Obviously they can't all have bought new cars! I was told their throughput of drivers is approx 180,000 per year! Surely this is wrong? Not sure how many days they're open but assuming 252 working days that's 714 clients per day. No wonder they're busy
Porsche911R said:
Taffy59 said:
Re the folding buckets
I have had them on my last three GT cars and find them very comfortable. We've just returned from a trip to Ireland covering around 1100 miles and never once felt uncomfortable but I tend to drive with my seat more forward than I used Avoiding any tendency to slouch.
Mrs Taffy (in the passenger seat) complained up to the point that she slid the seat forward to allow her feet to brace against the inclined front of the footwell thereby pushing her tailbone back into the base of the backrest. Hey presto - problem solved!
The key seems to be to use the support offered by the backrest which some might feel are too upright to start with but is worth it.
the seats too upright so you pivot about on your pelvis over spreading the load down your back, it's simple ergonomics, hence the tilt bracket can help.I have had them on my last three GT cars and find them very comfortable. We've just returned from a trip to Ireland covering around 1100 miles and never once felt uncomfortable but I tend to drive with my seat more forward than I used Avoiding any tendency to slouch.
Mrs Taffy (in the passenger seat) complained up to the point that she slid the seat forward to allow her feet to brace against the inclined front of the footwell thereby pushing her tailbone back into the base of the backrest. Hey presto - problem solved!
The key seems to be to use the support offered by the backrest which some might feel are too upright to start with but is worth it.
But the bracket is angling up the car seat at the front, and this will raise your thighs and increase the slumping posture.
Adding lumber will be of no help in the main, it just a poor designed seat. yes you can add a cushion to the LWB as imo it's also the wrong shape, but one should never be able to feel a push in the back from a Lumber adjust of extra padding.
The seat back should be angled back to the same degree that your spine arches back as it ascends out of your lumbar hollow. and of course every ones back has it's own curve.
We're all different and some people may prefer fixed buckets or comfort seats. As with so many other options isn't it great to have the choice?
boyner said:
Managed to get some cracking pics taken whilst the car was clean, by a local photographer.. they have come out really well..
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I’ve seen you driving about Aberdeen a few times and I believe you live close to a colleague of mine with a black Audi R8. Really like the gold wheels, very nice bit of styling. browngt3 said:
To be perfectly honest I haven't discussed this issue with my OPC.
If you guys hadn't flagged this up I may have just thought it was a characteristic of this gearbox.
You have now prompted me to email the OPC. I have a long standing and good relationship with their warranty and technical advisor. He also used to be the service manager.
I will try to find out if anyone else has mentioned it. Not sure even how many manuals they supplied.
Will keep you posted...
Thanks.If you guys hadn't flagged this up I may have just thought it was a characteristic of this gearbox.
You have now prompted me to email the OPC. I have a long standing and good relationship with their warranty and technical advisor. He also used to be the service manager.
I will try to find out if anyone else has mentioned it. Not sure even how many manuals they supplied.
Will keep you posted...
Just for the record I have not experienced this issue with any other Porsche...GT or otherwise.
On numbers it looks like for the UK there are around 150 manual cars split equally between Touring (50), Clubsport/ buckets non cage(50) and comfort specs (50).
Edited by av185 on Friday 27th April 00:35
Any idea what this is? Sounds a bit quiet and you can really hear the turbo at 7:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2qDGdegzw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2qDGdegzw4
Edited by Phooey on Friday 27th April 09:32
Phooey said:
Any idea what this is? Sounds a bit quiet and you can really hear the turbo at 7:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2qDGdegzw4
It's got centre exhaust pipes not the gt2 side exhausts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2qDGdegzw4
Edited by Phooey on Friday 27th April 09:32
Read the description and follow the link in it to this earlier clip of what looks like the same car:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsKStob3Cwc
They've changed the exhaust layout from the stock GT2 system to a central version.
I started a thread on it yesterday. I think the next GT3 Cup car will actually be a GT2:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsKStob3Cwc
They've changed the exhaust layout from the stock GT2 system to a central version.
I started a thread on it yesterday. I think the next GT3 Cup car will actually be a GT2:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Twinfan said:
Read the description and follow the link in it to this earlier clip of what looks like the same car:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsKStob3Cwc
They've changed the exhaust layout from the stock GT2 system to a central version.
I started a thread on it yesterday. I think the next GT3 Cup car will actually be a GT2:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
No turbos on this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsKStob3Cwc
They've changed the exhaust layout from the stock GT2 system to a central version.
I started a thread on it yesterday. I think the next GT3 Cup car will actually be a GT2:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehnzchiIGuo
av185 said:
Thanks.
Just for the record I have not experienced this issue with any other Porsche...GT or otherwise.
On numbers it looks like for the UK there are around 150 manual cars split equally between Touring (50), Clubsport/ buckets non cage(50) and comfort specs (50).
So this is the reply I had back today - what do you think? Just for the record I have not experienced this issue with any other Porsche...GT or otherwise.
On numbers it looks like for the UK there are around 150 manual cars split equally between Touring (50), Clubsport/ buckets non cage(50) and comfort specs (50).
Edited by av185 on Friday 27th April 00:35
"In answer to your question regarding the gear lever moving under acceleration and deceleration I am aware, and is not a fault and quite normal operating condition for this transmission.
The 991 GT3 Gen 2 manual transmission has been designed to have a very direct shifting connection. Therefore elimination of damping components within the gearbox have been reduced, the resulting construction of the shift mechanism contributes to 4th gear having the most visible display.
After consultation with Porsche the movement in 4th gear is found to be within PAG tolerances.
I hope this explains and addresses your concerns."
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