991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[Gareth220]

Porsche911R said:

makes you want PDK :-( aggg

Nop, still happy with my decision around getting a manual....

[APOLO1]

Porsche911R said:

makes you want PDK :-( aggg

Have had a good drive of the GT3 this week. PDK is the way to go Imv. Engine picks up revs way to fast for a MT. But I understand that some like a MT and its not all about Lap times.

Don't think its any louder inside than an RS, but you do get more induction noise from the intake's on the rear. The engine is astonishing in the way it picks up Revs. Even over an R with its SMFW, 9k feels like 7.5/8k on an RS. Just keeps on pulling all the way to 9k. Feels like it could take another 2k to the red line. The torque comes in very low down all the way through to 9k now. Even at 9k just no let up in power it just keeps pulling.

PDK feels faster and smoother, steering is about the best I have driven on any car, lots of feed back and perfectly weighted. The RWS seems to have more slip, changes direction very fast, very agile. Back end and front end very planted even in the wet. Car sits very low over an RS, pictures don't show this. Also lots of aero on the back end.

For me its the engine that makes the car. Best NA engine I have driven.

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 26th July 20:19

[Phooey]

PDK for the win!

[APOLO1]

woollyjoe said:

Can you please explain this bit more?

In the 991R the way in which the engine spins, revs up feels perfectly matched for MT gear changes. In the GT3 the engine, well Imv after my time in 91RS and 991R feels to me that the GT3 spins, revs up, a lot faster. To fast to catch it with a MT.

The PDK feels perfectly matched. But no doubt some will prefer the interaction that the MT gives.

Can say for sure, that even with a MT this is no 991 R, GT3 feels way to planted for that.

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 26th July 20:59

[Fokker]

Thanks for the review Apolo.

Where did you drive them if I may ask?

[AndrewD]

David, glad to hear your experiences with the car.
One thing you mentioned, CH also said it about gen 1, engine revs up too quickly for a manual transmission. I just don't get this? It won't be faster to rev than a Carrera GT for example and that is utterly sublime with its manual box and three pedals.
Also, very pleased to hear the engine pulls hard lower down the rev range. That's my slight bugbear about the 991RS. How does the engine feel compared to the 997 4.0 which I think is the best modern 911 engine bar none?

[APOLO1]

Fokker said:

Thanks for the review Apolo.

Where did you drive them if I may ask?

Have owned 91RS for almost 2 years, and R from last Aug....
GT3.2 PEC.

[Dr S]

Fokker said:

Phooey said:

Miami with black wing tips -

I think Miami looks more turquoise than this in the flesh. This is almost riviera.

+1

[APOLO1]

AndrewD said:

David, glad to hear your experiences with the car.
One thing you mentioned, CH also said it about gen 1, engine revs up too quickly for a manual transmission. I just don't get this? It won't be faster to rev than a Carrera GT for example and that is utterly sublime with its manual box and three pedals.

Hi A.
I can not comment on a CGT, its so long since I had a go in one. Even on very light throttle this GT3 engine just spins away, just races for the red line in every gear.

As soon as the GT3 engine revved it reminded me of the Mtzer in the 997 4.0. It now has the top end scream back. But feels like more torque lower down.

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 26th July 21:43

[Fish]

APOLO1 said:

AndrewD said:

David, glad to hear your experiences with the car.
One thing you mentioned, CH also said it about gen 1, engine revs up too quickly for a manual transmission. I just don't get this? It won't be faster to rev than a Carrera GT for example and that is utterly sublime with its manual box and three pedals.

Hi A.
I can not comment on a CGT, its so long since I had a go in one. Even on very light throttle this GT3 engine just spins away, just races for the red line in every gear.

David glad you enjoyed the car. Getting excited to drive mine now.. just more waiting. Still going manual though.. can't be doing with autos....

[Taffy66]

Thanks Apolo for a great write up on the GT3 and calming my fears after my difficult decision when i locked on PDK on tuesday.IIRC i expressed an opinion on the strong chance of the new GT3s explosive engine revving too fast for a manual a few months ago and i was ridiculed and insulted in equal measure by Slippydiff,Andrew D and others.Its reassuring on that occasion it seems i was absolutely spot on.
The moral of this is not prejudge somebody you've never met and know nothing about and just maybe is a lot smarter about certain things than he lets on..;) All hypothetical of course.
Back to Apolo's review has made my next three months wait for my GT3 now seem like a three year solitary confinement prison sentence and seem like an eternity...

[SIXSM]

I viewed two Cayman's at PC Bournemouth today to get an idea of colours for the GT3 - Miami Blue and GT Silver. I really like the Miami Blue but a brave choice - one customer has a Miami blue GT3 coming in September so will hopefully get to see that in the metal before the lucky owner picks up that car. I must say the GT Silver looked fantastic, I think internet pictures do not do the colour justice, in the metal it looks absolute class and a very safe bet.

[Gareth220]

Found another YouTube feature about the GT3, this time a manual and used typically where I will be using mine..the road. Yellow again, looks great, but otherwise extremely close to my spec.

https://youtu.be/XzRl7Lx96sY

[APOLO1]

Fish said:

David glad you enjoyed the car. Getting excited to drive mine now.. just more waiting. Still going manual though.. can't be doing with autos....

Hi Hope you are keeping well.
Like I said no doubt that the MT will be a lot of fun. Don't think there is a right or wrong here, but if you want to get the best from the Chassis, engine, etc....has to be PDK Imv

Have a look at this from 45 Secs in, x it by about 3 to account for the way the new engine revs...Oh turn the sound up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dss44VBDN8

[AndrewD]

APOLO1 said:

AndrewD said:

David, glad to hear your experiences with the car.
One thing you mentioned, CH also said it about gen 1, engine revs up too quickly for a manual transmission. I just don't get this? It won't be faster to rev than a Carrera GT for example and that is utterly sublime with its manual box and three pedals.

Hi A.
I can not comment on a CGT, its so long since I had a go in one. Even on very light throttle this GT3 engine just spins away, just races for the red line in every gear.

As soon as the GT3 engine revved it reminded me of the Mtzer in the 997 4.0. It now has the top end scream back. But feels like more torque lower down.

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 26th July 21:43

I think a fast revving engine will be a delight to drive with manual transmission especially heeling and toeing, assuming the brake pedal on ceramics isn't set too high as it sometimes can be out of the box.

[Cheib]

AndrewD said:

I think a fast revving engine will be a delight to drive with manual transmission especially heeling and toeing, assuming the brake pedal on ceramics isn't set too high as it sometimes can be out of the box.

How easy is it to change that ? I drove a manual 991.2 GTS recently with PCCB's.....whilst I got used to it over the course of the day the offset of the brake pedal to accelerator wasn't great.

Excuse my ignorance.,....

[Dr S]

AndrewD said:

APOLO1 said:

AndrewD said:

David, glad to hear your experiences with the car.
One thing you mentioned, CH also said it about gen 1, engine revs up too quickly for a manual transmission. I just don't get this? It won't be faster to rev than a Carrera GT for example and that is utterly sublime with its manual box and three pedals.

Hi A.
I can not comment on a CGT, its so long since I had a go in one. Even on very light throttle this GT3 engine just spins away, just races for the red line in every gear.

As soon as the GT3 engine revved it reminded me of the Mtzer in the 997 4.0. It now has the top end scream back. But feels like more torque lower down.

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 26th July 21:43

I think a fast revving engine will be a delight to drive with manual transmission especially heeling and toeing, assuming the brake pedal on ceramics isn't set too high as it sometimes can be out of the box.

I found that on track when you really brake hard the factory setting works very well.for H&T. Agree that on the road it's not ideal

[rosino]

I had the same issue with a 997.2. Well too high for rev matching on the road and not braking hard.

[APOLO1]

AndrewD said:

I think a fast revving engine will be a delight to drive with manual transmission especially heeling and toeing, assuming the brake pedal on ceramics isn't set too high as it sometimes can be out of the box.

Its a shame that the GT3 does not have the SMFW option for the MT. This may help with the changes. I say this based on the 991 R. I have driven one without. They don't feel like the same car.

[Fish]

APOLO1 said:

Fish said:

David glad you enjoyed the car. Getting excited to drive mine now.. just more waiting. Still going manual though.. can't be doing with autos....

Hi Hope you are keeping well.
Like I said no doubt that the MT will be a lot of fun. Don't think there is a right or wrong here, but if you want to get the best from the Chassis, engine, etc....has to be PDK Imv

Have a look at this from 45 Secs in, x it by about 3 to account for the way the new engine revs...Oh turn the sound up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dss44VBDN8

Sounds good... although I understand the newer engine is even better!