991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..
Discussion
Cheib said:
I don't think people think PDK is inert.... its just that some people think a manual box is more involving.
The idea of a naturally aspirated rear wheel drive car that revs to 9000 rpm mated to a manual gear box makes me rather more excited than it should do...for whatever reason I didn't want a PDK car....to the extent that told my OPC I only wanted a .2 if it was manual.
I am about to get Macan Turbo PP as a daily though....which obviously has a PDK gearbox. And my wife's Boxster is PDK.
So we're equal opportunity employers
What he said ^The idea of a naturally aspirated rear wheel drive car that revs to 9000 rpm mated to a manual gear box makes me rather more excited than it should do...for whatever reason I didn't want a PDK car....to the extent that told my OPC I only wanted a .2 if it was manual.
I am about to get Macan Turbo PP as a daily though....which obviously has a PDK gearbox. And my wife's Boxster is PDK.
So we're equal opportunity employers
My wife has a Macan and PDK works prefectly for this car. For the 3 I ever only wanted a manual
Porsche911R said:
ted 191 said:
I don't find changing gear a skill or satisfying.
interesting. Take up Golf.Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 17th April 16:07
boxsey said:
Now now D! I'm guessing you've never played golf. To play it well it requires a lot of skill and imagination and is extremely satisfying when you play a good shot. So not a good analogy IMO!
I'd rather watch paint dry... 
Or drift around the gold course and make it really really muddy
Edited by crinkleshoes on Tuesday 17th April 17:25
FWIW : Manual vs. PDK debate :
No right or wrong here.
For me personally, for road use, I prefer my manual 991.2 GT3 to my old 991.1 RS ; not just a little bit , but by a huge amount - I think the 991.2 GT3 Manual is the most brilliant road car - it’s such a great package ; the PDK RS was a technical masterpiece and is made for the track but, in truth, it just didn’t do it for me (for what I wanted it for)
Good we are all different.
As I say , no right or wrong in this , just MHO.
Enjoy
No right or wrong here.
For me personally, for road use, I prefer my manual 991.2 GT3 to my old 991.1 RS ; not just a little bit , but by a huge amount - I think the 991.2 GT3 Manual is the most brilliant road car - it’s such a great package ; the PDK RS was a technical masterpiece and is made for the track but, in truth, it just didn’t do it for me (for what I wanted it for)
Good we are all different.
As I say , no right or wrong in this , just MHO.
Enjoy
Sandy59 said:
Porsche911R said:
the RS will lack the manual interaction of course ;-) read into that " involving " as PDK takes it all away from you in spades.
I love the RS though, what a car to break 7 minutes with a NA 520BHP lump.
The issue is it's an automatic, and no matter what any one says, if you want an involving sports car you want a manual, All 5 of my cars are manual cars.
RS needs the track and it needs to be driven like you stole it I would say to make that magic word "involving" to be used , ok if you are a track rat, not so great anywhere else imo.
I would not say impossible to find a flaw (nothing is that good lol ) , I can think of 3 or 4 but they are far smaller flaws than most other cars and the GT4/Spdyers.
The engine makes this new GT3 the manual adds back interaction which has been lacking in the GT3 range too long.
GT4 hit that missing gap but came with it's own flaws.
The RS plays on it's down force and PDK to give the track times. But really there is nothing like pressing a clutch and shifting that gear stick, daft as it may sound, nothing comes close to doing it yourself.
The thing is I tend to look at the 'fun' factor when driving, I agree 'involvement' is a major factor but operating a clutch and gear lever is not the complete story for me anyway.I love the RS though, what a car to break 7 minutes with a NA 520BHP lump.
The issue is it's an automatic, and no matter what any one says, if you want an involving sports car you want a manual, All 5 of my cars are manual cars.
RS needs the track and it needs to be driven like you stole it I would say to make that magic word "involving" to be used , ok if you are a track rat, not so great anywhere else imo.
I would not say impossible to find a flaw (nothing is that good lol ) , I can think of 3 or 4 but they are far smaller flaws than most other cars and the GT4/Spdyers.
The engine makes this new GT3 the manual adds back interaction which has been lacking in the GT3 range too long.
GT4 hit that missing gap but came with it's own flaws.
The RS plays on it's down force and PDK to give the track times. But really there is nothing like pressing a clutch and shifting that gear stick, daft as it may sound, nothing comes close to doing it yourself.
Maybe because my skill levels are lower than most but I get great enjoyment from operating the PDK in manual mode with choice of paddles or moving the lever, and being able to concentrate more on my braking and lines through a corner.
I've never thought while out for a good blast with PDK I wish I'd taken the manual, or vice versa for that matter, I really do have great fun in both.
Cheib said:
I don't think people think PDK is inert.... its just that some people think a manual box is more involving.
The issue is that the claim was made that only a manual is involving to drive. The exact quote 'no matter what any one says, if you want an involving sports car you want a manual'For some people, clearly the manual box is the be all end all. For a lot of others, it simply isn't even if it is less involving as other factors come in.
For me, driving a fast car is or should be a very physical experience and this is why I get far more satisfaction from a manual. Changing gear smoothly and timely is a real skill as is heal and toe. To say otherwise is just stupid. Then there's the tactility. You feel a deep mechanical connection with the car. You feel its soul.
I totally get why some prefer PDK and I'm debating this with a friend who is buying his first Porsche. He wants PDK as one reason is he's impressed by the technology. But then he's a techie!
So whichever we prefer, Porsche have given us the opportunity to buy both. They should be commended as their competitors are just not giving us the choice.
And I strongly disagree that manual doesn't suit the modern tech in these cars. Actually I think the manual combined with the tech on my GT3, and that engine, is a sensational match.
Thank you Porsche and keep it up!
I totally get why some prefer PDK and I'm debating this with a friend who is buying his first Porsche. He wants PDK as one reason is he's impressed by the technology. But then he's a techie!
So whichever we prefer, Porsche have given us the opportunity to buy both. They should be commended as their competitors are just not giving us the choice.
And I strongly disagree that manual doesn't suit the modern tech in these cars. Actually I think the manual combined with the tech on my GT3, and that engine, is a sensational match.
Thank you Porsche and keep it up!
Taffy66 said:
Late last night when hooning in the dark in my GT3.2 PDK i was going up and down gears using the paddled for the sheer hell of it..In this scenario would a manual have been more fun..?......NO WAY .!!
And i say that as someone who loves a good manual as much as a good dual clutch box..
Know exactly what you mean. I do exactly the same thing.And i say that as someone who loves a good manual as much as a good dual clutch box..
blackmamba said:
neunelfer said:
I have looked through the handbook several times and have yet to come across the instructions regarding running in.
Would someone mind providing the page number or heading?
Copied this from Rennlist, which I have been using.
"There is no break-in requirement for your warranty. The break-in instructions in the manual come under the heading "Hints for best performance" or something like that (I remember the word Hints from my GT4 manual).
I have read several times on Rennlist (don't remember the thread(s)) that every one of the 991.2 GT3 motors is test run on a dyno to redline before delivery now.
All that being true, I still think it is advisable to observe AP's recommended procedure (or something slightly accelerated, ending around 1,300km as he says below):
KM___MAX RPM
0-499___ 5k
500_____5k5
700_____6k
900_____6k5
1100____7k
1300____7k5
1500____8k
1700____8k5
1900____9k
From Rennlist post:
"I videoed AP's presentation, and here is what he said:
“I can only tell you how I personally do it, or how we do it at Weissach – for the first 500 kilometres or 300 miles, we don’t drive that car car ever over 5000 rpm, never. From then on, every 200 kilometres, we up the rpms by 500, so we end up at 1300, 1400 kilometres at the threshold before we can really go full throttle, at 800 or 900 miles”
He then went on that this procedure was really important for the GT3 RS engines given their more "delicate" rings - and how important this break in really is for any of their engines.
Another point - he recommended to realign the car after 1000-1500 miles due to settling - especially since the tires are getting bigger and bigger, and more sensitive to changes. The RS apparently is really sensitive around this."
This seems to be less conservative than the method quoted above.
That looks like the correct transcript from the AP interview. It’s on you tube if you want to see it.Would someone mind providing the page number or heading?
Copied this from Rennlist, which I have been using.
"There is no break-in requirement for your warranty. The break-in instructions in the manual come under the heading "Hints for best performance" or something like that (I remember the word Hints from my GT4 manual).
I have read several times on Rennlist (don't remember the thread(s)) that every one of the 991.2 GT3 motors is test run on a dyno to redline before delivery now.
All that being true, I still think it is advisable to observe AP's recommended procedure (or something slightly accelerated, ending around 1,300km as he says below):
KM___MAX RPM
0-499___ 5k
500_____5k5
700_____6k
900_____6k5
1100____7k
1300____7k5
1500____8k
1700____8k5
1900____9k
From Rennlist post:
"I videoed AP's presentation, and here is what he said:
“I can only tell you how I personally do it, or how we do it at Weissach – for the first 500 kilometres or 300 miles, we don’t drive that car car ever over 5000 rpm, never. From then on, every 200 kilometres, we up the rpms by 500, so we end up at 1300, 1400 kilometres at the threshold before we can really go full throttle, at 800 or 900 miles”
He then went on that this procedure was really important for the GT3 RS engines given their more "delicate" rings - and how important this break in really is for any of their engines.
Another point - he recommended to realign the car after 1000-1500 miles due to settling - especially since the tires are getting bigger and bigger, and more sensitive to changes. The RS apparently is really sensitive around this."
This seems to be less conservative than the method quoted above.
I don’t have the owners manual to hand but there is definitely a section on running in. From what I can remember, it is very generic and is common to all Porsche’s i.e. not GT3 specific and suggests limiting revs for 1800 miles.
Edited by blackmamba on Tuesday 17th April 21:20
browngt3 said:
For me, driving a fast car is or should be a very physical experience and this is why I get far more satisfaction from a manual. Changing gear smoothly and timely is a real skill as is heal and toe. To say otherwise is just stupid. Then there's the tactility. You feel a deep mechanical connection with the car. You feel its soul.
I totally get why some prefer PDK and I'm debating this with a friend who is buying his first Porsche. He wants PDK as one reason is he's impressed by the technology. But then he's a techie!
So whichever we prefer, Porsche have given us the opportunity to buy both. They should be commended as their competitors are just not giving us the choice.
And I strongly disagree that manual doesn't suit the modern tech in these cars. Actually I think the manual combined with the tech on my GT3, and that engine, is a sensational match.
Thank you Porsche and keep it up!
You are going down the same road as Mr 911R, we are all individuals and like different things, you can't call someone stupid because they have a different opinion to yours .I totally get why some prefer PDK and I'm debating this with a friend who is buying his first Porsche. He wants PDK as one reason is he's impressed by the technology. But then he's a techie!
So whichever we prefer, Porsche have given us the opportunity to buy both. They should be commended as their competitors are just not giving us the choice.
And I strongly disagree that manual doesn't suit the modern tech in these cars. Actually I think the manual combined with the tech on my GT3, and that engine, is a sensational match.
Thank you Porsche and keep it up!
browngt3 said:
For me, driving a fast car is or should be a very physical experience and this is why I get far more satisfaction from a manual. Changing gear smoothly and timely is a real skill as is heal and toe. To say otherwise is just stupid. Then there's the tactility. You feel a deep mechanical connection with the car. You feel its soul.
I totally get why some prefer PDK and I'm debating this with a friend who is buying his first Porsche. He wants PDK as one reason is he's impressed by the technology. But then he's a techie!
So whichever we prefer, Porsche have given us the opportunity to buy both. They should be commended as their competitors are just not giving us the choice.
And I strongly disagree that manual doesn't suit the modern tech in these cars. Actually I think the manual combined with the tech on my GT3, and that engine, is a sensational match.
Thank you Porsche and keep it up!
You are going down the same road as Mr 911R, we are all individuals and like different things, you can't call someone stupid because they have a different opinion to yours .I totally get why some prefer PDK and I'm debating this with a friend who is buying his first Porsche. He wants PDK as one reason is he's impressed by the technology. But then he's a techie!
So whichever we prefer, Porsche have given us the opportunity to buy both. They should be commended as their competitors are just not giving us the choice.
And I strongly disagree that manual doesn't suit the modern tech in these cars. Actually I think the manual combined with the tech on my GT3, and that engine, is a sensational match.
Thank you Porsche and keep it up!
ted 191 said:
You are going down the same road as Mr 911R, we are all individuals and like different things, you can't call someone stupid because they have a different opinion to yours .
Not quite, his is more expressed as opinion, rather than fact.His statement that heel/toe is a skill is true, so to say otherwise is stupid... that's correct and factual.
Not everyone is interested in gaining that skill.
I'm happy to admit I suck at heel/toe... but on the other hand... I quite enjoy playing with the slide created in my Caterham when I get it wrong and lockup the rear wheels.
For me, the personal preference with the GT3, is that the latest variant of the GT3 PDK makes me feel like I'm driving a race car every day... and I ****ing love that feeling. A manual... just doesn't do it for me like that.
ted 191 said:
browngt3 said:
For me, driving a fast car is or should be a very physical experience and this is why I get far more satisfaction from a manual. Changing gear smoothly and timely is a real skill as is heal and toe. To say otherwise is just stupid. Then there's the tactility. You feel a deep mechanical connection with the car. You feel its soul.
I totally get why some prefer PDK and I'm debating this with a friend who is buying his first Porsche. He wants PDK as one reason is he's impressed by the technology. But then he's a techie!
So whichever we prefer, Porsche have given us the opportunity to buy both. They should be commended as their competitors are just not giving us the choice.
And I strongly disagree that manual doesn't suit the modern tech in these cars. Actually I think the manual combined with the tech on my GT3, and that engine, is a sensational match.
Thank you Porsche and keep it up!
You are going down the same road as Mr 911R, we are all individuals and like different things, you can't call someone stupid because they have a different opinion to yours .I totally get why some prefer PDK and I'm debating this with a friend who is buying his first Porsche. He wants PDK as one reason is he's impressed by the technology. But then he's a techie!
So whichever we prefer, Porsche have given us the opportunity to buy both. They should be commended as their competitors are just not giving us the choice.
And I strongly disagree that manual doesn't suit the modern tech in these cars. Actually I think the manual combined with the tech on my GT3, and that engine, is a sensational match.
Thank you Porsche and keep it up!
I'm not calling anyone stupid, however the factual element to my post was about the skill involved with a manual gear change. It was suggested there is no skill to this. As driving itself is a learned skill then it follows that changing gear is part of that skill. My girlfriend has never mastered it and will only drive automatics.
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The manual is old school and just brilliant. My previous GTS was PDK which was also brilliant, but the GT3 is just more of an event to drive than the GTS - and should be even more so as the revs go up.
I gave it the first wash last night, then stood back in admiration. I was just taken a back that I actually now own one of these mythical beasts. I feel very honoured and privileged. Drive safely guys and enjoy your amazing car...be it pdk or manual.
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