991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[mc_blue]

She's here!!

[SWGT3]

browngt3 said:

So this is the reply I had back today - what do you think?

"In answer to your question regarding the gear lever moving under acceleration and deceleration I am aware, and is not a fault and quite normal operating condition for this transmission.



The 991 GT3 Gen 2 manual transmission has been designed to have a very direct shifting connection. Therefore elimination of damping components within the gearbox have been reduced, the resulting construction of the shift mechanism contributes to 4th gear having the most visible display.



After consultation with Porsche the movement in 4th gear is found to be within PAG tolerances.



I hope this explains and addresses your concerns."

Very interesting and in contradiction to what I was told. My new box however has not solved the problem, it has reduced it, but there is still noticeable movement. Strange how much their tone has changed since I first reported my issue. I’m still not sure whether I’m convinced but just happy to be back driving it now.

Thanks for posting their reply

[crinkleshoes]

My first time round Spa... best lap I got on video was a 2m48s... according to chrono I managed a 2m45s earlier with no traffic but have no proof.

Not bad for a first outing... next time I'll take the racelogic and get more video

https://youtu.be/nTYGt5I_JNQ

[Cheib]

mc_blue said:

She's here!!

Liking the yellow stitching! Painted vent surrounds and the insert in the folding buckets too ?

[av185]

browngt3 said:

av185 said:

Thanks.

Just for the record I have not experienced this issue with any other Porsche...GT or otherwise.

On numbers it looks like for the UK there are around 150 manual cars split equally between Touring (50), Clubsport/ buckets non cage(50) and comfort specs (50).

Edited by av185 on Friday 27th April 00:35

So this is the reply I had back today - what do you think?

"In answer to your question regarding the gear lever moving under acceleration and deceleration I am aware, and is not a fault and quite normal operating condition for this transmission.



The 991 GT3 Gen 2 manual transmission has been designed to have a very direct shifting connection. Therefore elimination of damping components within the gearbox have been reduced, the resulting construction of the shift mechanism contributes to 4th gear having the most visible display.



After consultation with Porsche the movement in 4th gear is found to be within PAG tolerances.



I hope this explains and addresses your concerns."

Thanks for posting.

Interesting that Porsche refer to the direct shifting connection of the gearbox but it is if anything less direct than the gearboxes on the 981 GT4 and 981 Spyder which showed no excessive gearlever movement in either third or fourth.

I am meeting up with a pal in the next few weeks who has a similar build date car which he says shows similar characteristics by which time I should hopefully have heard more from my OPC via PGB.

Will let you know.

[IREvans]

browngt3 said:

So this is the reply I had back today - what do you think?

"In answer to your question regarding the gear lever moving under acceleration and deceleration I am aware, and is not a fault and quite normal operating condition for this transmission.



The 991 GT3 Gen 2 manual transmission has been designed to have a very direct shifting connection. Therefore elimination of damping components within the gearbox have been reduced, the resulting construction of the shift mechanism contributes to 4th gear having the most visible display.



After consultation with Porsche the movement in 4th gear is found to be within PAG tolerances.



I hope this explains and addresses your concerns."

Makes sense to me. Tolerance stack up of the gearshift mechanism inside the gearbox means that some movement at the gear lever is possible in some cases. Unless it actually jumps out of gear, is it really of any concern..?

[boxsey]

crinkleshoes said:

My first time round Spa... best lap I got on video was a 2m48s... according to chrono I managed a 2m45s earlier with no traffic but have no proof.

Not bad for a first outing... next time I'll take the racelogic and get more video

https://youtu.be/nTYGt5I_JNQ

Good lap and your new 3 sounds epic! Spa is very addictive...not another circuit to touch it for driving thrill IMO.

[NBTBRV8]

mc_blue said:

She's here!!

I can see a warranty claim here, the stitching doesn't line up on the leather column cowl between the two pieces

[3wheels3]

crinkleshoes said:

My first time round Spa... best lap I got on video was a 2m48s... according to chrono I managed a 2m45s earlier with no traffic but have no proof.

Not bad for a first outing... next time I'll take the racelogic and get more video

https://youtu.be/nTYGt5I_JNQ

Very tidy lap considering your first time at Spa. Such a fantastic circuit, one of the best!

[browngt3]

SWGT3 said:

Very interesting and in contradiction to what I was told. My new box however has not solved the problem, it has reduced it, but there is still noticeable movement. Strange how much their tone has changed since I first reported my issue. I’m still not sure whether I’m convinced but just happy to be back driving it now.

Thanks for posting their reply

Interesting that your new box still has it, all be it reduced. Maybe it is a design characteristic afterall...

[seawise]

crinkleshoes said:

My first time round Spa... best lap I got on video was a 2m48s... according to chrono I managed a 2m45s earlier with no traffic but have no proof.

Not bad for a first outing... next time I'll take the racelogic and get more video

https://youtu.be/nTYGt5I_JNQ

Pretty decent show for a first visit, lovely weather and v quiet. You can carry a lot more speed thru the double apex left Pouhon and generally there is plenty of speed to be found in the last 3rd of your lap. What a car, awesome !

[browngt3]

av185 said:

Thanks for posting.

Interesting that Porsche refer to the direct shifting connection of the gearbox but it is if anything less direct than the gearboxes on the 981 GT4 and 981 Spyder which showed no excessive gearlever movement in either third or fourth.

I am meeting up with a pal in the next few weeks who has a similar build date car which he says shows similar characteristics by which time I should hopefully have heard more from my OPC via PGB.

Will let you know.

Thanks.

It's an interesting response from my OPC and to me reads like something official from Porsche themselves.

If they designed into it reduced damping to create a direct shift then why didn't my 996 GT3 have it? That gearbox, as I recall, was straight from the GT1 race cars of the period.

[browngt3]

IREvans said:

Makes sense to me. Tolerance stack up of the gearshift mechanism inside the gearbox means that some movement at the gear lever is possible in some cases. Unless it actually jumps out of gear, is it really of any concern..?

It is of concern if it is a fault. And ultimately that's what we want to get to the bottom of. It may be that the official Porsche line is the correct one. Equally they may be trying to deflect the potentially huge cost of replacing X number of manual gearboxes under warranty.

We will see.

[seawise]

browngt3 said:

Interesting that your new box still has it, all be it reduced. Maybe it is a design characteristic afterall...

I think so, mine does it as well ( in 4th only ), i’ll monitor it but I don’t think it’s cause for concern.

[blackmamba]

Spoke to a couple of friends with manual cars who display the same symptom. They contacted their dealers (one London, one Midlands) and they got exactly the same response (to the letter) from the dealers. Interesting that it says “within tolerance” when they didn’t even inspect the car!

Porsche are obviously getting a few queries (probably fuelled by forums like this) and have a standard response. Probably with flagging it with the dealer so it is on record and then seeing how it goes. Doesn’t seem like a big issue and only really noticeable if you go looking for it but sensible to be cautious.

[crinkleshoes]

boxsey said:

Good lap and your new 3 sounds epic! Spa is very addictive...not another circuit to touch it for driving thrill IMO.

Thanks and yes I’m already addicted, booked another 3 visits this year

[crinkleshoes]

3wheels3 said:

Very tidy lap considering your first time at Spa. Such a fantastic circuit, one of the best!

Thanks

[crinkleshoes]

seawise said:

Pretty decent show for a first visit, lovely weather and v quiet. You can carry a lot more speed thru the double apex left Pouhon and generally there is plenty of speed to be found in the last 3rd of your lap. What a car, awesome !

Thanks.

Yes I held back a bit on that one because I don’t like getting too close to other cars on track days in case they make an error.

I got passed the RS on the next lap but then got stuck in traffic so the lap ended up 1-2s slower and then that was the last lap of the day.

Corner I kept messing up was the long tight downhill right hairpin.

[seawise]

crinkleshoes said:

Thanks.

Yes I held back a bit on that one because I don’t like getting too close to other cars on track days in case they make an error.

I got passed the RS on the next lap but then got stuck in traffic so the lap ended up 1-2s slower and then that was the last lap of the day.

Corner I kept messing up was the long tight downhill right hairpin.

Bruxelles, yes it’s tricky. Late brake and turn in, seems to work best, but easy to get frustrated with this corner. I’ll be there at the next RMA day in May, can’t wait, my favourite circuit.

[crinkleshoes]

seawise said:

Bruxelles, yes it’s tricky. Late brake and turn in, seems to work best, but easy to get frustrated with this corner. I’ll be there at the next RMA day in May, can’t wait, my favourite circuit.

Ahh... I missed that one by trying to book too late

Booked these:
RMA - Silverstone - Tuesday 5th June
GT - Brands Hatch - Wednesday 6th June
RMA - Donington - Friday 29th June
RMA - Spa & Zolder - Wednesday & Thursday 11th & 12th July
GT - Silverstone - Thursday 9th August
RMA - Nurburgring - Friday 24th August
RMA - Spa - Monday & Tuesday 24th & 25th September

Plus I'm going to Isle of Man the first weekend in May & Anglesey mid-June.