991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[isaldiri]

Twinfan said:

In real life I'd love to talk to other Porsche owners about their cars etc but the attitude of almost everyone we meet stinks.

You need to go for more trackdays . IME most people you meet then (those that actually are driving anyway!) tend to be a bit more amendable than randoms at meets and such.

[browngt3]

Twinfan said:

Very true, and I'm guilty as charged online when it comes to my view of the 718 engines - not the owners I might add. In real life I'd love to talk to other Porsche owners about their cars etc but the attitude of almost everyone we meet stinks.

Anyway, sorry to derail the thread

Edited by Twinfan on Sunday 24th June 10:20

Not my experience. By far the majority I meet are very enthusiastic nice people. The Porsche world is however a large one so you get people from all walks of like and all types so I guess there's a few bad eggs.

I started with a 4 cylinder Porsche many years ago, a 968 sport. Fantastic car but always new I would get a 911.

If we met in real life I would be happy to chat Porsche all day long

[hunter 66]

Agree after 30 years always nice to meet true Porsche heads ...... life is too short .

[Twinfan]

Might have to pop along to the paddock of a track day sometime then

[flat6ajg]

Interesting read chaps

I am an old schooler having started life with 944 in 1985 then 911 from 1989. Have had all GT3 and most RS since 996. Currently on GT3 991.2 which I love (GTSM/ Manual / Steels by the way). Interesting thing is that I also have a 718 which my wife and I use for continental drives (about to do this next week - Epernay/ Montreux/ Portofino/ Aix and back) that car is just fab especially with pdk. Good bootspace, plenty of torque (only 2.0) two trackdays in the wet and it keeps up fine.

Now... the GT3 991.2 is absolutely brill. Swiss Alps trip just done with mates and engine just fantastic. Loads of feel, not as quick round hairpins as GT4... but P have done a great job, not sure how they keep doing it!

I also have old Porsche cars and... one of my favourites is the 1988 CS. This is my second and if I want lots of interaction that is my first call. Not as delicate as my 2.2S which is a real screamer but best overall.

Just thought I would chip in as I have been an onlooker for a long time!

[Taffy66]

I love Porsches and of my current ones, all are different but equally impressive in various ways.As a fun road car my 981 Spyder takes top spot, my 991.2GT3 PDK offers a different experience yet unsurpassed if the roads are open and traffic free.
My wife drives a Cayenne s-e hybrid which is a great family car and 100% reliable. Our Panamera Sport Turismo has quite astounding handling,ride and body control which belies its 2T weight..I put this down to the new gen three chamber air suspension which magically seems to keep an iron control on 2T +..
To recap, all four of them are fantastic cars; none are better or worst, just very different in the way they drive..

[r1flyguy1]

flat6ajg said:

Interesting read chaps

I am an old schooler having started life with 944 in 1985 then 911 from 1989. Have had all GT3 and most RS since 996. Currently on GT3 991.2 which I love (GTSM/ Manual / Steels by the way). Interesting thing is that I also have a 718 which my wife and I use for continental drives (about to do this next week - Epernay/ Montreux/ Portofino/ Aix and back) that car is just fab especially with pdk. Good bootspace, plenty of torque (only 2.0) two trackdays in the wet and it keeps up fine.

Now... the GT3 991.2 is absolutely brill. Swiss Alps trip just done with mates and engine just fantastic. Loads of feel, not as quick round hairpins as GT4... but P have done a great job, not sure how they keep doing it!

I also have old Porsche cars and... one of my favourites is the 1988 CS. This is my second and if I want lots of interaction that is my first call. Not as delicate as my 2.2S which is a real screamer but best overall.

Just thought I would chip in as I have been an onlooker for a long time!

Nice mix you got there
Happy travels. I try not to do any european roadtrips with the missus, last time that happened minime came along 9 months later
Im going solo next time

[browngt3]

flat6ajg said:

Interesting read chaps

I am an old schooler having started life with 944 in 1985 then 911 from 1989. Have had all GT3 and most RS since 996. Currently on GT3 991.2 which I love (GTSM/ Manual / Steels by the way). Interesting thing is that I also have a 718 which my wife and I use for continental drives (about to do this next week - Epernay/ Montreux/ Portofino/ Aix and back) that car is just fab especially with pdk. Good bootspace, plenty of torque (only 2.0) two trackdays in the wet and it keeps up fine.

Now... the GT3 991.2 is absolutely brill. Swiss Alps trip just done with mates and engine just fantastic. Loads of feel, not as quick round hairpins as GT4... but P have done a great job, not sure how they keep doing it!

I also have old Porsche cars and... one of my favourites is the 1988 CS. This is my second and if I want lots of interaction that is my first call. Not as delicate as my 2.2S which is a real screamer but best overall.

Just thought I would chip in as I have been an onlooker for a long time!

Great Post from a real enthusiast , thanks!

I also like (even prefer) my old 911s for the interaction. GT3 though for the adrenalin hit every time.

Cracking collection you have there. Never driven a really early 911, would love to sometime

[franki68]

Fokker said:

Cheib said:

Fokker said:

Cheib said:

Nobody is buying mine for £160k but it was £139k and a bit....things like deviated stitching, painted vents etc can do that to the price on top of all the normal big ticket options.

Definitely not a flippers spec.....although I took Mrs Cheib out in it for the first time last night and I think she’d like me to! It’s too loud, seats are too upright (clearly disciple of the 911R school of thought on the 918 buckets) and it’s just “not very comfortable”. Oh and she thought I was being childish when revving the engine out to 7k rpm!

I feel your pain Cheib... My wife isn't at all into her cars but luckily my girlfriend loves them, even the 918's.

You can't win 'em all

Was your main criteria for the girlfriend the fact she liked your cars ?!?!

It has something to do with it Chieb but more so the big boobs and amazing arse

And whAt about her boobs and arse ?

[Phooey]

I still think the 911 pinnacle is the 997 for driver interaction and joy of ownership (looks, size, feel etc). It's a huge achievement what Porsche has done with the 991 GT3 but having owned mine for nearly 9 months now, I am starting to appreciate what driving pleasure the 997 gave you. It's nothing to do with my choice of gearbox being PDK (because the manual 997 GT3 is a more rewarding drivers car IMO than a 991).

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

I love Porsches and of my current ones, all are different but equally impressive in various ways.As a fun road car my 981 Spyder takes top spot, my 991.2GT3 PDK offers a different experience yet unsurpassed if the roads are open and traffic free.
..

See I rate my 981 Spyder as a lifestyle car and it’s the least fun to drive out of my 5 cars.

But I guess it is the only manual in your fleet where all 5 of mine are manual and thus it sits last for driver focus, but makes a great life style car and it's the only one I let my other half drive and it's the easiest. Although the exhaust does give me a head ache.

[browngt3]

Phooey said:

I still think the 911 pinnacle is the 997 for driver interaction and joy of ownership (looks, size, feel etc). It's a huge achievement what Porsche has done with the 991 GT3 but having owned mine for nearly 9 months now, I am starting to appreciate what driving pleasure the 997 gave you. It's nothing to do with my choice of gearbox being PDK (because the manual 997 GT3 is a more rewarding drivers car IMO than a 991).

You could almost swap for a 997GT3RS but would you though?

It's an interesting question I ask myself from time to time and financially I don't think we have too long to think about it as the RS will clearly hold its value better. Not sure I could give up the amazing new engine though...

[Porsche911R]

Phooey said:

I still think the 911 pinnacle is the 997 for driver interaction and joy of ownership (looks, size, feel etc). It's a huge achievement what Porsche has done with the 991 GT3 but having owned mine for nearly 9 months now, I am starting to appreciate what driving pleasure the 997 gave you. It's nothing to do with my choice of gearbox being PDK (because the manual 997 GT3 is a more rewarding drivers car IMO than a 991).

The windows too small to enjoy the 997 GT3 hence I stuck with driving R's for 5 years. All the feel of a 997 (plus better steering feel) but far more road bias so more enjoyable more of the time.

The 991 manual GT3 is far more road usable thus enjoyable having that extra 100lb/ft torque at 4.5k revs.

Right road, right day yes a 997.2 GT3 is maybe the sweet spot, but on today’s roads with today’s traffic and that hard as nails clutch it's more a pain in the arse and frustrating trying to find where to get over 6k rpm.

[Porsche911R]

browngt3 said:

You could almost swap for a 997GT3RS but would you though?

It's an interesting question I ask myself from time to time and financially I don't think we have too long to think about it as the RS will clearly hold its value better. Not sure I could give up the amazing new engine though...

That was my plan behind getting a 991gt3, it was going to be a straight swap for a 997.2 RS, but I have changed my mind on that swap, long term yes the money is safer in the RS , but I have never bought a car just for the money, ones got to enjoy driving it.

And as you have found out, that new engine is amazing, how can one go back !
My biggest worry was eps, but the new GT3 is pretty good in feel, to a point it's a non issue.

[RSVP911]

Phooey said:

Which do you prefer (from a driving perspective) - 997.2 or 991.2?

Now that is really tough - I can only compare 997.2 RS with 991.2 GT3 Manual (I much prefer both of these to 991.1 PDK GT3) - The 997.2 RS is harder to drive and is way less forgiving plus the sound of the engine is like nothing else. As such, for a special treat the 997.2 RS all the way - but the GT3 is really accomplished - its a bit Jekyll and Hyde - does both daily and fun very well - really tough call but if pushed I'd have to go 997.2RS but both are amazing - I think the 997.2 RS is just a very special car that will not be repeated in the modern age where as the GT3 will be repeated and improved upon again and again The 997.2 RS feels very, very special

[ted 191]

Porsche911R said:

Strange to do it in a car which does every thing for you then.
Come do a Donny track evening be interesting to see how much faster your turbo S is over my NA Manual.

I don't have the turbo, or GT3 anymore but I'd happily take you on in my Macan diesel

[Dr S]

RSVP911 said:

Phooey said:

Which do you prefer (from a driving perspective) - 997.2 or 991.2?

Now that is really tough - I can only compare 997.2 RS with 991.2 GT3 Manual (I much prefer both of these to 991.1 PDK GT3) - The 997.2 RS is harder to drive and is way less forgiving plus the sound of the engine is like nothing else. As such, for a special treat the 997.2 RS all the way - but the GT3 is really accomplished - its a bit Jekyll and Hyde - does both daily and fun very well - really tough call but if pushed I'd have to go 997.2RS but both are amazing - I think the 997.2 RS is just a very special car that will not be repeated in the modern age where as the GT3 will be repeated and improved upon again and again The 997.2 RS feels very, very special

Agree. I thought that after the arrival of the Touring I would want sell my vanilla 7.2 GT3 (but not the RS, of course). As much as I love the Touring (especially for this animal of an engine), getting back into the 7.2 I am amazed what a sensational driving experience it delivers.

[ras62]

Porsche911R said:

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The windows too small to enjoy the 997 GT3 hence I stuck with driving R's for 5 years. All the feel of a 997 (plus better steering feel) but far more road bias so more enjoyable more of the time.

The 991 manual GT3 is far more road usable thus enjoyable having that extra 100lb/ft torque at 4.5k revs.

Right road, right day yes a 997.2 GT3 is maybe the sweet spot, but on today’s roads with today’s traffic and that hard as nails clutch it's more a pain in the arse and frustrating trying to find where to get over 6k rpm.

I fail to see how the 991.2 engine has an extra 100 ft/lbs of torque at 4.5k when the new car has a max 460Nm (339ft/lbs) against the 997 max 430Nm (317 ft/lbs)? Interesting that the 997 4.0RS matches the numbers of the newer car. So much for progress.

[Phooey]

Dr S said:

RSVP911 said:

Phooey said:

Which do you prefer (from a driving perspective) - 997.2 or 991.2?

Now that is really tough - I can only compare 997.2 RS with 991.2 GT3 Manual (I much prefer both of these to 991.1 PDK GT3) - The 997.2 RS is harder to drive and is way less forgiving plus the sound of the engine is like nothing else. As such, for a special treat the 997.2 RS all the way - but the GT3 is really accomplished - its a bit Jekyll and Hyde - does both daily and fun very well - really tough call but if pushed I'd have to go 997.2RS but both are amazing - I think the 997.2 RS is just a very special car that will not be repeated in the modern age where as the GT3 will be repeated and improved upon again and again The 997.2 RS feels very, very special

Agree. I thought that after the arrival of the Touring I would want sell my vanilla 7.2 GT3 (but not the RS, of course). As much as I love the Touring (especially for this animal of an engine), getting back into the 7.2 I am amazed what a sensational driving experience it delivers.

And that's sort of my point (I had guessed you'd prefer the 997, RSVP911). IMO the 997 is a better car in manual than the 991, whereas the PDK in the 992 I'm sure will be better than the 991, and so on. And again why I think the 997 GT3 was a very special car - especially 997.2 RS. It's fantastic Porsche have listened and given us a choice of gearbox, after all they really didn't want to put a manual box with the 991 GT3. It's no 997 but it's the best (and only) manual of the modern car.

[RSVP911]

Phooey said:

Dr S said:

RSVP911 said:

Phooey said:

Which do you prefer (from a driving perspective) - 997.2 or 991.2?

Now that is really tough - I can only compare 997.2 RS with 991.2 GT3 Manual (I much prefer both of these to 991.1 PDK GT3) - The 997.2 RS is harder to drive and is way less forgiving plus the sound of the engine is like nothing else. As such, for a special treat the 997.2 RS all the way - but the GT3 is really accomplished - its a bit Jekyll and Hyde - does both daily and fun very well - really tough call but if pushed I'd have to go 997.2RS but both are amazing - I think the 997.2 RS is just a very special car that will not be repeated in the modern age where as the GT3 will be repeated and improved upon again and again The 997.2 RS feels very, very special

Agree. I thought that after the arrival of the Touring I would want sell my vanilla 7.2 GT3 (but not the RS, of course). As much as I love the Touring (especially for this animal of an engine), getting back into the 7.2 I am amazed what a sensational driving experience it delivers.

And that's sort of my point (I had guessed you'd prefer the 997, RSVP911). IMO the 997 is a better car in manual than the 991, whereas the PDK in the 992 I'm sure will be better than the 991, and so on. And again why I think the 997 GT3 was a very special car - especially 997.2 RS. It's fantastic Porsche have listened and given us a choice of gearbox, after all they really didn't want to put a manual box with the 991 GT3. It's no 997 but it's the best (and only) manual of the modern car.

Sorry to mention this but ..... If buying now it’s an absolute no brainier as 991.2 prices will fall gently over time where as 997.2 RS prices would fall less , if at all - so on an ownership proposition one is far better value than the other - apologies for mentioning values, but it is relevant if comparing one with the other in the round