991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[throt]

Myself, personally, could not go back to the steels after the ceramics. Ceramics give better feed back and look drop dead gorgeous . Expensive option, but it was the first one I admired on pick up..Worth every £...

[Digga]

throt said:

Myself, personally, could not go back to the steels after the ceramics. Ceramics give better feed back and look drop dead gorgeous . Expensive option, but it was the first one I admired on pick up..Worth every £...

For the road, definitely, for the track, even on the latest version, it's probably still better on steel.

[Phooey]

Taffy66 said:

IIRC you were contemplating p/x'ing for a Targa GTS a while ago..Was that still the case.?

I haven't bought one yet.. hanging on to see what's what IYNWIM. I would like one though.

[GT4RS]

Phooey said:

m33ufo said:

Just in case anyone is interested....a mate is considering the sale of his 991.2 GT3. It was registered in October 2017 (67), and he's the only keeper. It's finished in white with a manual gearbox and has the following basic specification:

Clubsport pack, cruise control, front axle lift, smoking package (never smoked in), bi-xenon with PDLS, light design package, dash trim pack in leather, vehicle key painted with key pouch, sport bucket seats, chrono package, digital radio, satin black wheels, silver grey seat belts, door sill guards in stainless (illuminated), pedals in aluminium.

It's in completely unmarked condition having completed 1600 miles only and always garaged.

PM me and I'll forward contact info.

unless he's desperate to get out of it... might be worth holding onto until next Spring as trade will only offer around list today. Might be able to push for a bit more (£130k) to a dealer who's just sold one or two, but I'd hold on and let the majority of them sell and see if they firm up.

Another one to add to the forever growing sales list. I would imagine every .2 gt3 is for sale if you ask the owner!

Sell now or loose your trousers

[throt]

Nope,,,, I do not care. Brexit crash or no crash, it still drives the same thus I enjoy it..

[Porsche911R]

Phooey said:

Yup, by about £2-3k.

In all seriousness, and just to put the PCCB myth to bed, I asked a couple of OPCs a few weeks ago how much *extra* they'd pay for PCCBs. Difficult to get a definitive figure.. but basically - depends on the overall spec of the car, but.... "upto £3k!". So yes, PCCBs cars will be worth more, but not £6k more. How do I know? I've just sold my GT3.

the opc will take a bath on your car imo, it was a very low spec, you are very lucky to get what you did. they have dropped it from the £35k overs already, but it still looks very bad value.

buyers are not stupid they are looking at the list price of cars for sale , not the bottom line price of cars for sale.

I own 2 cars with PCCB, I would not go back, they are amazing, and the weight saving on the GT3 is big, makes for a far better steer esp when I get my wheels saving another 11kg's in rotation and unsprung mass.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 26th September 16:11

[hunter 66]

Porsche911R , go and put some PPF on your car and drive ... maybe even on track ... all the drivel is even driving me mad .......

[p1stonhead]

Porsche911R said:

Phooey said:

Yup, by about £2-3k.

In all seriousness, and just to put the PCCB myth to bed, I asked a couple of OPCs a few weeks ago how much *extra* they'd pay for PCCBs. Difficult to get a definitive figure.. but basically - depends on the overall spec of the car, but.... "upto £3k!". So yes, PCCBs cars will be worth more, but not £6k more. How do I know? I've just sold my GT3.

the opc will take a bath on your car imo, it was a very low spec, you are very lucky to get what you did. they have dropped it from the £35k overs already, but it still looks very bad value.

buyers are not stupid they are looking at the list price of cars for sale , not the bottom line price of cars for sale.

I own 2 cars with PCCB, I would not go back, they are amazing, and the weight saving on the GT3 is big, makes for a far better steer esp when I get my wheels saving another 11kg's in rotation and unsprung mass.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 26th September 16:11

You cant seriously suggest you can tell the difference unless you are a test driver doing lap after lap for Porsche.

[Porsche911R]

p1stonhead said:

You cant seriously suggest you can tell the difference unless you are a test driver doing lap after lap for Porsche.

yep, I can easy tell 40kg in a car or a 1/4 of that weight un-sprung.

[Porsche911R]

hunter 66 said:

Porsche911R , go and put some PPF on your car and drive ... maybe even on track ... all the drivel is even driving me mad .......

Yesterdays hoon, no need to spunk £1.5k on track when you live next to roads like this.

So no drivel and not a piece of PPF in site, I drive for fun pretty much every day of my life.
testing out the clubby after a few tweaks, and this colder weather making the turbo pull very hard.

pretty much a daily thing be it the clubby, Spyder or the GT3 only thing in common is they are all manual :-)

Prob nip out in a bit for a sun set drive and photoshoot :-)

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 26th September 16:50

[chrisABP]

p1stonhead said:

Porsche911R said:

Phooey said:

Yup, by about £2-3k.

In all seriousness, and just to put the PCCB myth to bed, I asked a couple of OPCs a few weeks ago how much *extra* they'd pay for PCCBs. Difficult to get a definitive figure.. but basically - depends on the overall spec of the car, but.... "upto £3k!". So yes, PCCBs cars will be worth more, but not £6k more. How do I know? I've just sold my GT3.

the opc will take a bath on your car imo, it was a very low spec, you are very lucky to get what you did. they have dropped it from the £35k overs already, but it still looks very bad value.

buyers are not stupid they are looking at the list price of cars for sale , not the bottom line price of cars for sale.

I own 2 cars with PCCB, I would not go back, they are amazing, and the weight saving on the GT3 is big, makes for a far better steer esp when I get my wheels saving another 11kg's in rotation and unsprung mass.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 26th September 16:11

You cant seriously suggest you can tell the difference unless you are a test driver doing lap after lap for Porsche.

Yes you absolutely can, any significant reduction in un-sprung weight (brakes, wheels, tyres) can be felt in most driving conditions. You should try a car with ceramic brakes & lightweight wheels back to back with a steel brakes & std wheel car and you would be surprised.

[p1stonhead]

Porsche911R said:

p1stonhead said:

You cant seriously suggest you can tell the difference unless you are a test driver doing lap after lap for Porsche.

yep, I can easy tell 40kg in a car or a 1/4 of that weight un-sprung.

You can tell when your 911 has had a less than 3% (40kg on 1430kg) weight saving? On the public road?

I have never experienced a before / after in such a manner but that sounds like I would never tell.

[Porsche911R]

p1stonhead said:

You can tell when your 911 has had a less than 3% (40kg on 1430kg) weight saving? On the public road?

I have never experienced a before / after in such a manner but that sounds like I would never tell.

I don't even like a full tank of fuel In the Spyder let alone a passenger !

My GT4 pulled 1.5g on the road :-) , all my cars are set up pretty well for fast road use and all on Cup 2's or PS4S's on correct geo and pads.
PCCB are outstanding bits of kit. I doubt steels would cope, I smoked my loan 718 GTS brakes !!! most cars are way under braked and cooled.

Both my PCCB cars pull your face off, and scare the bejesus of passengers so much so I even lol some times at peoples reactions.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 26th September 17:01

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

p1stonhead said:

You cant seriously suggest you can tell the difference unless you are a test driver doing lap after lap for Porsche.

yep, I can easy tell 40kg in a car or a 1/4 of that weight un-sprung.

You also claimed that on the gt4 ceramics were unnecessary when the weight savings were exactly the same. The only difference being your gt4 then didn't have ceramics but your gt3 now does....

[hunter 66]

I rest my case ..... but you are fortunate to be living in a nice rural area for high speed work .
But even in 24 Hr race conditions the steels seem fine to me ...not the latest tech but have a nice feel .

[Phooey]

Some say... MrD was born was born with extra-sensitive erogenous receptors built into his bum hair that he can even tell you which wheel is missing a dust cap when driving at speeds upto 125mph. So yeah, in this case I do believe him

For the other 99.9999% of us.....

[Porsche911R]

Phooey said:

Some say... MrD was born was born with extra-sensitive erogenous receptors built into his bum hair that he can even tell you which wheel is missing a dust cap when driving at speeds upto 125mph. So yeah, in this case I do believe him

For the other 99.9999% of us.....

bloody missed dust caps put me In the ditch :-)

but to be serious I have done over a million miles I drive every day of my life in a number of cars, you just get a feel for stuff, over people stuck at work and only driving home 5 miles in traffic and doing a 20 miles at the weekend.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 26th September 17:36

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

You also claimed that on the gt4 ceramics were unnecessary when the weight savings were exactly the same. The only difference being your gt4 then didn't have ceramics but your gt3 now does....

I act said the GT4 had very little bite, but is another 80kg lighter than a GT3 and a lot slower.
The GT4 never rips your face off like my other 2 cars.
I would not want the same set up as that on a 500bhp car which weighs a lot more.

plus the cost was too a big a % on a £64k car to add PCCB imo.

I have always raved about PCCB on the 987 platform, it's night and day performance.

I think the steels are fine for the GT4, but the car would feel better with PCCB's. but the GT4 needs better pad for more bite say a DS1.11 or some thing.

[Taffy66]

isaldiri said:

You also claimed that on the gt4 ceramics were unnecessary when the weight savings were exactly the same. The only difference being your gt4 then didn't have ceramics but your gt3 now does....

I had PCCBs on my GT4 and you tell when driving fast on a bumpy road in wheel rebound..GT4 benefits most from PCCBs as its a full 18kg unsprung weight saving on a car which weighs 75Kg less than a manual 991.2 GT3.
It depends on the variations in the size of the steel rotors compared to PCCBs,,The Porsche which needs PCCBs most from a braking POV is the T as its standard steel brakes are relatively puny..The flip side is the T hardly benefits at all from the unsprung saving and Rotational inertia,as the steels are only 330mm vs 410mm for the PCCBs.
Its a case by case basis depending on which car your talking about..

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

I act said the GT4 had very little bite, but is another 80kg lighter than a GT3 and a lot slower.
The GT4 never rips your face off like my other 2 cars.
I would not want the same set up as that on a 500bhp car which weighs a lot more.

plus the cost was too a big a % on a £64k car to add PCCB imo.

I have always raved about PCCB on the 987 platform, it's night and day performance.

I think the steels are fine for the GT4, but the car would feel better with PCCB's. but the GT4 needs better pad for more bite say a DS1.11 or some thing.

Brake performance on the GT cars is tyre limited. Steel 380s aren't going to fade so ceramics don't have any advantage there either.

Also, the fact the gt4 is lighter than the gt3 means any weight saving from ceramics will actually be more significant as it's a larger % of weight reduced.