997 Turbo or 997 Turbo S?
Discussion
Few people I've spoken to have said they would prefer a C2S PDK over a turbo tip. I've only ever driven a manual turbo gen 1 and a Turbo s so can't comment.
I think I'll hang onto my 997 Turbo s at least until something else comes along . It doesn't look like I'll have much trouble selling it at the moment anyway .
I think I'll hang onto my 997 Turbo s at least until something else comes along . It doesn't look like I'll have much trouble selling it at the moment anyway .
I'm surprised that the 997.2 Turbo S models are holding their value quite so well.
Yesterday, I looked trading mine in for an E63S AMG demonstrator with 113 miles. The Merc. garage offered me £50k initially for a 2010 model with 38,500 miles, then £52.5k, which still seems like a joke given the comments on this thread and the rarity of them.
I suppose its a game they have to play, and I accept that they are in business to make a profit, but it feels disapointing that they can't make an honest offer at the outset rather than having go through the motions of the salesman repeatedly having to "ask his manager".
I've decided to keep mine, mainly on the basis that its awesome and nobody grows up with a picture of an E class on their bedroom wall as a kid.
Yesterday, I looked trading mine in for an E63S AMG demonstrator with 113 miles. The Merc. garage offered me £50k initially for a 2010 model with 38,500 miles, then £52.5k, which still seems like a joke given the comments on this thread and the rarity of them.
I suppose its a game they have to play, and I accept that they are in business to make a profit, but it feels disapointing that they can't make an honest offer at the outset rather than having go through the motions of the salesman repeatedly having to "ask his manager".
I've decided to keep mine, mainly on the basis that its awesome and nobody grows up with a picture of an E class on their bedroom wall as a kid.
sasha320 said:
I'm in the market for an OPC 997 Turbo S.
There is a slow trickle of these through OPCs however prices are very high and I'm exploring the two cars either side of the 997 Turbo S - namely the 997 Turbo and the 991 Turbo.
The two questions I have are
1. Dynamically is a 997 Turbo with PTV and Chrono pack that includes dynamic engine mounts arguably the same as a marginally less boosted Turbo S? (Not withstanding the other cosmetic standard options like PCCB that come with the Turbo S).
2. Is a 991 Turbo (with PDCC) comparable in performance and dynamics to the 997 Turbo S?
I guess what's driving the questions is that low mileage OPC Turbo S cars are commanding such high prices (even after I have allowed for the OPC premium which I'm happy to accept) and I am questioning whether the two cars in the range either side of the 997 Turbo S are in fact better value £ for £.
Also I know it is pointless to look at trade prices (except to see what you'd get in a distress sale) but still a Turbo S that's offered for £80k/£85k is a £62k car in the trade... although I accept a gap in value between trade and retail (especially at OPC) £20k is a pretty big gap that will track against depreciation for some time.
Any thoughts / perspectives on my questions appreciated.
There is a slow trickle of these through OPCs however prices are very high and I'm exploring the two cars either side of the 997 Turbo S - namely the 997 Turbo and the 991 Turbo.
The two questions I have are
1. Dynamically is a 997 Turbo with PTV and Chrono pack that includes dynamic engine mounts arguably the same as a marginally less boosted Turbo S? (Not withstanding the other cosmetic standard options like PCCB that come with the Turbo S).
2. Is a 991 Turbo (with PDCC) comparable in performance and dynamics to the 997 Turbo S?
I guess what's driving the questions is that low mileage OPC Turbo S cars are commanding such high prices (even after I have allowed for the OPC premium which I'm happy to accept) and I am questioning whether the two cars in the range either side of the 997 Turbo S are in fact better value £ for £.
Also I know it is pointless to look at trade prices (except to see what you'd get in a distress sale) but still a Turbo S that's offered for £80k/£85k is a £62k car in the trade... although I accept a gap in value between trade and retail (especially at OPC) £20k is a pretty big gap that will track against depreciation for some time.
Any thoughts / perspectives on my questions appreciated.
Edited by sasha320 on Sunday 19th March 08:08
Prices for 997 Turbo S' are seemingly bonkers.
That said, I'm not sure what the value of actual deals being done are, maybe there's plenty of room to negotiate.
An update from me, as the price of a 991 Turbo S is within the range of the pricier 997 Turbo S cars I'd rather have one of those.
All of that said, I hired a Huracan for the day recently and although it was great (really great), it put me off small sports cars. I can go into why another time.
So for now, I'm out.
(But would have been happy with Jabbah's Meteor Grey Turbo S!!!
That said, I'm not sure what the value of actual deals being done are, maybe there's plenty of room to negotiate.
An update from me, as the price of a 991 Turbo S is within the range of the pricier 997 Turbo S cars I'd rather have one of those.
All of that said, I hired a Huracan for the day recently and although it was great (really great), it put me off small sports cars. I can go into why another time.
So for now, I'm out.
(But would have been happy with Jabbah's Meteor Grey Turbo S!!!
Have you driven both of them yet?
The 997 Turbo S is the better looking, far rarer, more desirable car by far IMO. 0 997.2 Turbo S listed for sale on Porsche.co.uk vs 13 991 Turbo S. There's reason people are not selling and prices have risen. New engine+ PDK, limited numbers and the classic beauty of the 997 Turbo shape and lines...
I drove the 991 Turbo S a year after getting my car and knew within 15 mins I would not be changing- the 991.2 apparently does move things along a lot but that is much, much more expensive.
The 991 shape does not appeal to me as much in general though, from the start, and still does not today really, 992.2 performance aside.
The 997 Turbo S is the better looking, far rarer, more desirable car by far IMO. 0 997.2 Turbo S listed for sale on Porsche.co.uk vs 13 991 Turbo S. There's reason people are not selling and prices have risen. New engine+ PDK, limited numbers and the classic beauty of the 997 Turbo shape and lines...
I drove the 991 Turbo S a year after getting my car and knew within 15 mins I would not be changing- the 991.2 apparently does move things along a lot but that is much, much more expensive.
The 991 shape does not appeal to me as much in general though, from the start, and still does not today really, 992.2 performance aside.
FaHaz said:
I'm surprised that the 997.2 Turbo S models are holding their value quite so well.
Yesterday, I looked trading mine in for an E63S AMG demonstrator with 113 miles. The Merc. garage offered me £50k initially for a 2010 model with 38,500 miles, then £52.5k, which still seems like a joke given the comments on this thread and the rarity of them.
I'd give you 60 and a kidney - unless yours is pink with intergalactic miles I don't understand those bids - they retail around 80k it seemsYesterday, I looked trading mine in for an E63S AMG demonstrator with 113 miles. The Merc. garage offered me £50k initially for a 2010 model with 38,500 miles, then £52.5k, which still seems like a joke given the comments on this thread and the rarity of them.
Edited by Adam B on Thursday 3rd August 09:55
I don't wish to be a bore about prices, but at the end of the day for most buyers (deffo including me) price is a consideration and this gap between trade and retail on a 99x Turbo S is starting to grate.
I understand traders need to make a profit etc but taking in a low mileage car for £50k to £60k and retailing it for £90k is a 'healthy' profit without a great deal of risk.
Fine, this is a market economy and that's the way it goes; but when you immerse yourself into it, you start to sense the shadows of a small number of buying cartels that are manipulating price and playing on the ignorance of both buyers and private sellers.
Without regulation (which would be a bad thing) one just has to accept the situation.
Although as an enthusiast I recognise the differences between the 997 Turbo S and 991 Turbo S, I am not sure there are so many buyers who would take a 997 Turbo S over a 991 Turbo S at the same or lower price.
So I am waiting for a price correction on the 997 Turbo S! (Notwithstanding previous posts about small sports cars).
I shouldn't complain really as the above considerations do not apply in the majority of mass produced performance cars and furthermore we've never been able to get into such good secondhand metal at such low prices it is a shame that the car I like is smack in the middle of this 'conspiracy'!!!!! :0)
I understand traders need to make a profit etc but taking in a low mileage car for £50k to £60k and retailing it for £90k is a 'healthy' profit without a great deal of risk.
Fine, this is a market economy and that's the way it goes; but when you immerse yourself into it, you start to sense the shadows of a small number of buying cartels that are manipulating price and playing on the ignorance of both buyers and private sellers.
Without regulation (which would be a bad thing) one just has to accept the situation.
Although as an enthusiast I recognise the differences between the 997 Turbo S and 991 Turbo S, I am not sure there are so many buyers who would take a 997 Turbo S over a 991 Turbo S at the same or lower price.
So I am waiting for a price correction on the 997 Turbo S! (Notwithstanding previous posts about small sports cars).
I shouldn't complain really as the above considerations do not apply in the majority of mass produced performance cars and furthermore we've never been able to get into such good secondhand metal at such low prices it is a shame that the car I like is smack in the middle of this 'conspiracy'!!!!! :0)
I'm told dealers are getting quite cautious about what they are paying for stock - not just Turbos, not just Porsches - across the board.
Retail prices don't necessarily reflect this, and although the market is still active, it has definitely slowed down, so there may well be deals to negotiate.
Retail prices don't necessarily reflect this, and although the market is still active, it has definitely slowed down, so there may well be deals to negotiate.
The kidney bit me laugh. The garage came back with an offer from a Porsche specialist in Bawtree for 65. Main dealers seem to try to get a massive discount - I appreciate that they've got to make a profit, but I said I'm not prepared to leave that much equity in the car for them to realise. Given how much I like the car and all of the comments I've read since initially thinking about selling it, I'm going to keep it for a little while.
Adam B said:
FaHaz said:
I'm surprised that the 997.2 Turbo S models are holding their value quite so well.
Yesterday, I looked trading mine in for an E63S AMG demonstrator with 113 miles. The Merc. garage offered me £50k initially for a 2010 model with 38,500 miles, then £52.5k, which still seems like a joke given the comments on this thread and the rarity of them.
I'd give you 60 and a kidney - unless yours is pink with intergalactic miles I don't understand those bids - they retail around 80k it seemsYesterday, I looked trading mine in for an E63S AMG demonstrator with 113 miles. The Merc. garage offered me £50k initially for a 2010 model with 38,500 miles, then £52.5k, which still seems like a joke given the comments on this thread and the rarity of them.
Edited by Adam B on Thursday 3rd August 09:55
Adam B said:
Just spent 1.5k sprucing up my 997.1 turbo with a mind to selling, not sure I can begin myself to do it though, it's manual, really nice spec and low miles so getting back into one might be hard.
Great cars
Thinking of one of these myself. Had initially set off to buy a 997 GT3 but just can't quite accept how much money is being asked for them. The turbos seem better value with a like for like car being about £25K less than the GT3. I have had a GT3 before but never driven a turbo but am trying one this week so it will be interesting to compare. Great cars
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