I doubt i will ever own a new GT car

[Deansfield]

A ton of gt3 cars in the market in next 12 months!
That's not how I understand it
According to the threads on ph and talking to Opc is that 991.1 gt3 owners are way down the list for gen 2 cars and if this is accurate then it has my approval , be nice to give the others a chance 👍

[Phooey]

Deansfield said:

A ton of gt3 cars in the market in next 12 months!
That's not how I understand it

12 months ago I thought the arse would fall out the 991.1 GT3 market with the arrival of the 991.2... but I'm not so sure now. Gen1 cars are selling and OPC's are struggling to find and buy decent stock. The 991.2 is hugely oversubscribed, much more so than the gen1 was. OPC's are hinting of 300-350 cars over 2 allocations with possibly a dribble of one or two more unconfirmed cars towards the end of prod. I believe Porsche are dividing this approx 60/40 PDK-manual. I think a 991.1 GT3 at £130k is pretty safe for a couple of years. A well spec'd car like the blue JZM one that has just sold is solid and I bet my arse it'll still be same money next year. As someone pointed out above - in the grand scheme of things a Porsche is quite cheap to run (compared to the competition).

[isaldiri]

Tony 1234 said:

Think it's £3.9k now

Plus service every year @ £2600 plus parts, and you have to put up with (IMO) shoddy fitting body panels

A GT Porsche is MILES cheaper to run than that!!

Your numbers are wrong I'm afraid but yes obviously a volume manufacturer like Porsche can offer cheaper servicing and warranties than Mclaren which has very high running costs by comparison.

[Cheib]

Phooey said:

Deansfield said:

A ton of gt3 cars in the market in next 12 months!
That's not how I understand it

12 months ago I thought the arse would fall out the 991.1 GT3 market with the arrival of the 991.2... but I'm not so sure now. Gen1 cars are selling and OPC's are struggling to find and buy decent stock. The 991.2 is hugely oversubscribed, much more so than the gen1 was. OPC's are hinting of 300-350 cars over 2 allocations with possibly a dribble of one or two more unconfirmed cars towards the end of prod. I believe Porsche are dividing this approx 60/40 PDK-manual. I think a 991.1 GT3 at £130k is pretty safe for a couple of years. A well spec'd car like the blue JZM one that has just sold is solid and I bet my arse it'll still be same money next year. As someone pointed out above - in the grand scheme of things a Porsche is quite cheap to run (compared to the competition).

Yup...I was in my OPC this morning. They've sold two 991.1 GT3's and a couple of 991.1 RS's in the last month and are finding it very hard to buy stock. Judging on the allocation they're getting I'd say your estimate of total UK allocation is about right. Most of the cars they have been allocated are 2018 cars so I very much doubt there's going to be a flood of cars coming on the market this year.

[jimmyslr]

ted 191 said:

Has your dealer kept your £10k deposit for a slot in the second round of allocations ?

No. They are about to return it, along with everyone else's who didn't get a round 1 car. I'm not surprised as I suspect they fear the PR of holding deposits for months and months and then not supplying a car.

[throt]

Has any 991GT3 gen 1 owners have a GT3 gen 2 "definite" allocation?.

[Tony 1234]

isaldiri said:

Tony 1234 said:

Think it's £3.9k now

Plus service every year @ £2600 plus parts, and you have to put up with (IMO) shoddy fitting body panels

A GT Porsche is MILES cheaper to run than that!!

Your numbers are wrong I'm afraid.

Must depend which dealer you use then

[jimmyslr]

av185 said:

But if you are primarily concerned that Joe Punter thinks the GT3 is just another 911, you are driving the car for the wrong reason.

Whilst being more 'common' in terms of numbers produced, the 458 is arguably more exclusive with the Ferrari badge but as a drivers car in terms of involvement the 991 GT3 is ahead I say this not only as a past enthusiastic 458 (Italia) owner, but this was also confirmed by Steve Sutcliffe at the time in his previous eminant life with Autocar.

Re the Mclaren, nice contemporary package, but too expensive, high depreciation and running costs and poor dealer backup, expired future warranty implications are the usual obvious gripes. But the main one is the turbo engine. Although the lack of 'manuel' gearbox will be the biggest killer for most keen drivers.

And these are areas where the Porsche wins hands down.

I worded that rather poorly. What I'm saying is that Porsche make excellent cars, they're quite low key, generally reliable, good on track and so on; great sports cars. At the thick end of £200k however you are into supercar territory and the ownership experience can be very different. At one level there are the pure driving dynamics, the speed it can put on, the time on a track, but there's also how it makes you feel when you open the garage door or glance back as you leave it in a car park. I love my Pork, but £150-200k gets acces to an awful lot of cars that most petrol heads would be interested in. Some folk definitely lovers of only one brand, but more I'd wager like cars in general and consider various options.

[isaldiri]

Tony 1234 said:

isaldiri said:

Tony 1234 said:

Think it's £3.9k now

Plus service every year @ £2600 plus parts, and you have to put up with (IMO) shoddy fitting body panels

A GT Porsche is MILES cheaper to run than that!!

Your numbers are wrong I'm afraid.

Must depend which dealer you use then

Mclaren Ascot. I just serviced the car last year and re-warrantied it. The numbers were less (considerably so for servicing) than what you have above.

[ted 191]

jimmyslr said:

ted 191 said:

Has your dealer kept your £10k deposit for a slot in the second round of allocations ?

No. They are about to return it, along with everyone else's who didn't get a round 1 car. I'm not surprised as I suspect they fear the PR of holding deposits for months and months and then not supplying a car.

Seems not all OPC's are as honorable !

[Tony 1234]

isaldiri said:

Tony 1234 said:

isaldiri said:

Tony 1234 said:

Think it's £3.9k now

Plus service every year @ £2600 plus parts, and you have to put up with (IMO) shoddy fitting body panels

A GT Porsche is MILES cheaper to run than that!!

Your numbers are wrong I'm afraid.

Must depend which dealer you use then

Mclaren Ascot. I just serviced the car last year and re-warrantied it. The numbers were less (considerably so for servicing) than what you have above.

You've a PM

[Mario149]

av185 said:

Shabs said:

If I were Porsche, I would simply rebaseline the list price for GT cars to generate the profit up front and unlimit the numbers. IMHO the current strategy is not customer friendly and will ultimately lose them custom across the range

But for the restricted number of hacked off customers Porsche gain many more customers so it is of limited concern to them as a PR exercise and business model overall.

Don't forget they are masters at marketing.

Increasing the price of GT cars to their true value and increasing supply would actually be less profitable for Porsche as the brand filtering to higher production vanilla models would be substantially diluted.

But no-one has yet to answer how not selling me or someone else a GT3 generates other customers to buy Cayennes et al. Like I said before, if it's allegedly a PR exercise, I'm not convinced. The average Cayenne punter probably doesn't have the first clue that it's very difficult to get hold of a GT3, and if they did probably couldn't give 2 poops even if they did know.

[SRT Hellcat]

I do feel for you guys that desperately (perhaps a poor choice of word) want the latest GT3 offering and cannot place an order to obtain one. It does seem a very crazy situation especially with some that have shown enormous brand loyalty and spent many £££'s at their OPC. The only ones I really fancied the idea of was the 4.0 RS or the GT2RS. I had no chance. I have been very loyal to the brand but all used vehicles never OPC supplied.
But as many say this is not just a specific problem to Porsche. To obtain my Hellcat was a mission. In the early days dealers were asking anything from $5k to $50K + over list. I got very lucky and bagged a cancelled order at list price in the exact spec I wanted. I guess the new SRT Demon will command much the same. I really hope I don't want one. I'll know this month as the launch is at the New York auto show.

[Jumpingjackflash]

I am being genuine in saying that if Porsche did sell me a GT3 I would be more likely to buy a Panamera or Macan etc. Obviously Porsche think the other way.

[Taffy66]

Jumpingjackflash said:

I am being genuine in saying that if Porsche did sell me a GT3 I would be more likely to buy a Panamera or Macan etc. Obviously Porsche think the other way.

Which came first...?.the chicken or the egg.......!

[scrappydog]

Jumpingjackflash said:

I am being genuine in saying that if Porsche did sell me a GT3 I would be more likely to buy a Panamera or Macan etc. Obviously Porsche think the other way.

Totally agree.

This is all new to me, I thought a GT3 was 'just a car' that petrol heads like us wanted to buy. If you couldn't afford one, or fancied something else, you would go and buy another brand to entertain yourself with. So when I spoke to my local dealer I was of course expecting a waiting list, etc.. and I was very surprised when they explained their 'logic' to buying one.

I almost laughed in their face, but managed to keep it together. I wasn't after a frigging La Ferrari or P1, just a bog standard GT3! And my jaw dropped when it was suggested if I wanted a GT3 I should go and buy a Macan or something.

Howerver, I guess if they now want to make the GT3 some special limited edition and they can sell as many as they can make, then I guess they are free to make up their own rules. Must work for some people who are blindly loyal to brand; each to their own and Porsche know their target market better than anyone else.

But I agree with the post above, that it makes no sense to a purist enthusiast who is interested in the driving of cars rather than the status of the brand.

[Taffy66]

scrappydog said:

Totally agree.

This is all new to me, I thought a GT3 was 'just a car' that petrol heads like us wanted to buy. If you couldn't afford one, or fancied something else, you would go and buy another brand to entertain yourself with. So when I spoke to my local dealer I was of course expecting a waiting list, etc.. and I was very surprised when they explained their 'logic' to buying one.

I almost laughed in their face, but managed to keep it together. I wasn't after a frigging La Ferrari or P1, just a bog standard GT3! And my jaw dropped when it was suggested if I wanted a GT3 I should go and buy a Macan or something.

Howerver, I guess if they now want to make the GT3 some special limited edition and they can sell as many as they can make, then I guess they are free to make up their own rules. Must work for some people who are blindly loyal to brand; each to their own and Porsche know their target market better than anyone else.

But I agree with the post above, that it makes no sense to a purist enthusiast who is interested in the driving of cars rather than the status of the brand.

Actually i totally disagree...! All retailers in all walks of life even supermarkets operate a loyalty bonus scheme to reward(entice) consumers to spend more lolly at their premises..Look at the limited production Porsche GT cars as a loyalty bonus scheme albeit on a grand scale...

[Koln-RS]

I agree with that.
The mainstream models provide the revenue - the GTs/RSs need to maintain some level of exclusivity and desirability to protect the brand value

[Bieldside]

I agree
Hence the term "halo cars "

And due to that name they are very limited in availability
Porsche have become much stricter with this launch to avoid buyers flipping for profit
I get that totally
So if you are loyal and demonstrated that you want these cars for what they are , not for what they are worth then the restricted policy is 100% valid
Buy a used one through the OPC
Have it serviced by them
Etc
Etc

[scrappydog]

Taffy66 said:

Actually i totally disagree...! All retailers in all walks of life even supermarkets operate a loyalty bonus scheme to reward(entice) consumers to spend more lolly at their premises..Look at the limited production Porsche GT cars as a loyalty bonus scheme albeit on a grand scale...

Ok, I'll bite...

I think we all know the concept of a Reward Scheme or Loyalty Card, so you won't find me arguing that this concept doesn't work or that it's a stupid idea. Hotel reward card - yes I understand that. Airmiles - yup I get that. etc..

But the who GT-thing isn't that and hence I'm do find it surprising that people are arguing that it is.

For instance, to take the Porsche approach and apply it back to those schemes you mention:
- Airmiles; sorry sir, if you want to fly in first you will have to do the next 10 flights in coach and then we will consider you!
- Hotel; would you be happy if the Hilton asked you to book 2 nights in the Travel Lodge before letting you book the 5 star Penthouse Suite?
- Supermarket; restricted you to Bargin Buy items when you really wanted the organic/freerange items?

I always thought Porsche was the more down to earth performance & driver orientated marque compared to the flashier alternatives. However, I understand they are striving to re-invent themselves to move more up market and "exclusive" which has consequences which, probably is no surprise to most people on this forum, but it was just a bit of a wake-up call for me!

I think that milking the exclusivity card is a screwd move in the short term and serves the current gene-pool of aspirant customers, but also puzzling to people looking from the outside as loyalty schemes should not alienate new customers.