I doubt i will ever own a new GT car
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isaldiri said:
MDL111 said:
hunter 66 said:
Ditto , only bought 1 GT3 (996.2 ) from my OPC , although serviced there for 7 years ( and financed ) other RS Porsches bought out of OPCs .
But my main Porsche expenditure by a long way is with Porsche AG motorsport and not taken into account ....
Anyway that is life can understand ..
I am surprised that you would not have the pick of the litter if you spend significant money at the motorsport department - would have thought that Porsche Germany wants to take care of such people / ensure they are happyBut my main Porsche expenditure by a long way is with Porsche AG motorsport and not taken into account ....
Anyway that is life can understand ..
I just remembered reading that the guys who spend money at Ferrari on Challenge/race cars are seemingly in a pretty good position to get whatever road car they want
MDL111 said:
Sounds sensible - I have no idea as unfortunately I am no position to experience first hand
I just remembered reading that the guys who spend money at Ferrari on Challenge/race cars are seemingly in a pretty good position to get whatever road car they want
the xx racing program at ferrari is extremely expensive and really is reserved for the most wealthy, it's understandable why they get first dibs on any car I just remembered reading that the guys who spend money at Ferrari on Challenge/race cars are seemingly in a pretty good position to get whatever road car they want
Having owned a 996 and 7 Gt2 long term along with 2 911 turbo cabs over the past 11 years and having a letter on intent in with Hatfield OPC for a 991GT2rs for 18 months - first LOI they had received only to be told point blankly I wouldn't be getting one, I have given up on the brand for good and stuck with Ferrari as they are much easier to build a relationship with. I got offered an allocation for a 458 Speciale after purchasing just 2 x used 458 from them over the space of a year. I'm not on visiting Hatfield every Saturday to talk b
ks, arse lick and build a rapour along with purchasing fully speced vanilla cars that I don't want with the hope I maybe the lucky chappy that's fortunate enough to get picked for a GT car. At least with Ferrari I'll get enjoyment out of the vanilla model if you can even call it that and then if they do a 488 Speciale maybe I'll be one of the super lucky few.
ks, arse lick and build a rapour along with purchasing fully speced vanilla cars that I don't want with the hope I maybe the lucky chappy that's fortunate enough to get picked for a GT car. At least with Ferrari I'll get enjoyment out of the vanilla model if you can even call it that and then if they do a 488 Speciale maybe I'll be one of the super lucky few.LindsayMac said:
Well I for one have given up, last 3 cars over last 5 or so years have been GT3s, 1 bought private, 1 bought from OPC, 1 paid overs for a slot. So sitting with a 991 GT3 CS dressed in PTS and local OPC said no again. GT3 sold and moving on most possibly McLaren. Life is too short
That 991 GT3 you have is gorgeous (its the Miami? blue one right?) I would have to think long and hard before I sold that! Can't quite understand why people get so (self-righteously?) upset about this.
They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
Twinfan said:
Fl0pp3r said:
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
And what if you can only afford to pay list price or below? Can't you see why the current situation is so frustrating for some?Everyone has to work within a budget - I had to stretch to get into a 997 (effectively paying what the car cost NEW 6 years after it came off the line) but I accepted what I was doing because it's a dream car, I only have 1 life, and in any case I won't lose my shirt on it.
Life's not fair quite a lot of the time - but at least we live in a country where cars are relatively affordable (check out Australian Porsche prices for example!) and finance (for now) very accessible.
Fl0pp3r said:
Can't quite understand why people get so (self-righteously?) upset about this.
They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
No disagreement except for one thing...the GT3 and RS are built on exactly the same production line as the regular 911 and Boxster....I have seen the line and picked up my cars in the factory. Only the pure race cars ( and I think the 918) are built in Weissach...They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
RDMcG said:
Fl0pp3r said:
Can't quite understand why people get so (self-righteously?) upset about this.
They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
No disagreement except for one thing...the GT3 and RS are built on exactly the same production line as the regular 911 and Boxster....I have seen the line and picked up my cars in the factory. Only the pure race cars ( and I think the 918) are built in Weissach...They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
GT cars are a halo product....at least they are in the UK because of how Porsche GB/OPC's price the car and allocate them. That's why it's £110k and not "the right price".
If they didn't sell it as a halo product it would probably be priced more in line with the Turbo S....as I have said before I think that's what they should do. If a GT3 was say £135k base (£150k plus with spec) that would change the market dynamic immediately.
If they didn't sell it as a halo product it would probably be priced more in line with the Turbo S....as I have said before I think that's what they should do. If a GT3 was say £135k base (£150k plus with spec) that would change the market dynamic immediately.
av185 said:
Shazbat said:
STOP PRESS
Wouldn't even pay list for one
Hater of Porsche GT cars claims he would reject the potential of 30% premium....Wouldn't even pay list for one
Fl0pp3r said:
Can't quite understand why people get so (self-righteously?) upset about this.
They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
The flip side is that a lot of people who might be in a position to afford and buy a GT car and actually drive it and keep it, rather than speccing it - plain, vanilla and boring - to do a quick flip and/or not use it are simply unable to get their noses into the trough. They then have to pay over list for a car that a.) they didn't run-in and cherish from new and b.) had no say in the factory spec.They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
Fl0pp3r said:
Can't quite understand why people get so (self-righteously?) upset about this.
They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
Because some of us were not always in a position to by a GT3, and now we are, we are being priced out the market by others that have already creamed the GT market and are continuing to do so!They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
I would have loved to of purchased a brand new 996 GT3 back in the 1999, but at the age of 15, it was never going to happen! Fast forward to release of the 997.1 GT3 and I was 22, so again not in a position to afford/insure a GT car so settled for a VX220 instead. When the 997.2 GT3 was released in 2010, I was still only 26 so settled for a Lotus Exige. In 2013 I finally tried to buy a 997 GT3, but finding a decent one proved difficult and after finding one with over revs and another that was a non-classified total right off, I gave up and went for a Cayman R instead (brilliant car). 2014 brought the launch the 991.1 GT3, but sadly auto only and something I was never going to be interested in. 2015 the manual GT4 came along and I was lucky to finally secure my first GT car, but I never ever expected a manual GT3 released….
So yes, I don’t think I have some right to a 991.2 GT3, but I do feel cheated when there is a lot of speculators, garage queens, flippers and people that would have been happy with the auto box in the 991.1 GT3 that they are now part exchanging. £130K is a decent amount of money to me, but I would still go for a GT3 if it was a deprecating asset, but at potentially £170k+ ‘used’ prices, I cant simply afford the extra with current borrowings on mortgages(downside to not being a baby boomer).
Digga said:
Fl0pp3r said:
Can't quite understand why people get so (self-righteously?) upset about this.
They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
The flip side is that a lot of people who might be in a position to afford and buy a GT car and actually drive it and keep it, rather than speccing it - plain, vanilla and boring - to do a quick flip and/or not use it are simply unable to get their noses into the trough. They then have to pay over list for a car that a.) they didn't run-in and cherish from new and b.) had no say in the factory spec.They're limited production-run cars (purely on the basis of what Weissach can physically deliver).
If they weren't, the proposition would be a lot less attractive in every respect.
Nobody has a God-given right to expect an allocation, however good a customer (or brown nose) you are.
Deal with it and buy one used when they reach a price you are happy to pay.
It's not as if it will depreciate like a normal car..........
Oh and drive the bl00dy thing plz!!
MDL111 said:
You could just buy a build slot .... still pay a premium but free spec / run-in yourself. thanks to the favorable base price in the U.K. You'd probably not be paying (much) more than a buyer in Germany pays at list
couple of question from me on this point - 1) where are these slots being sold - i've tried to dig some up via the internet, but i am finding nothing... anyone know of any slots for sale?
2) why is the UK priced so cheaply? even when stripping out VAT in other countries and applying UK VAT, the cost is still way higher... i don't get why the UK has been blessed this way - if anything i would have thought the opposite to be more normal?
thanks
glm1977 said:
MDL111 said:
You could just buy a build slot .... still pay a premium but free spec / run-in yourself. thanks to the favorable base price in the U.K. You'd probably not be paying (much) more than a buyer in Germany pays at list
couple of question from me on this point - 1) where are these slots being sold - i've tried to dig some up via the internet, but i am finding nothing... anyone know of any slots for sale?
2) why is the UK priced so cheaply? even when stripping out VAT in other countries and applying UK VAT, the cost is still way higher... i don't get why the UK has been blessed this way - if anything i would have thought the opposite to be more normal?
thanks
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