what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

[WojaWabbit]

Interesting post on one of the 996 groups on Facebook (I've been back on it recently too sell stuff... still an utter hell-hole of a platform!), a Hartech'd 3.7 car's crank bearing giving up and requiring another rebuild.

[shalmaneser]

WojaWabbit said:

Interesting post on one of the 996 groups on Facebook (I've been back on it recently too sell stuff... still an utter hell-hole of a platform!), a Hartech'd 3.7 car's crank bearing giving up and requiring another rebuild.

Hartech have a warranty do they not? Wonder why it's not back to them... How much does he want for it?

[nebpor]

They are indeed warrantied - maybe they did the machining but not the actual build? Maybe they told him it was risky but he decided not to get new bearings / crank?

Too many variables to know what the situation is. By all accounts Hartech’s rep is utterly rock solid and I’m sure they will stand by any work they are responsible for

[WojaWabbit]

shalmaneser said:

WojaWabbit said:

Interesting post on one of the 996 groups on Facebook (I've been back on it recently too sell stuff... still an utter hell-hole of a platform!), a Hartech'd 3.7 car's crank bearing giving up and requiring another rebuild.

Hartech have a warranty do they not? Wonder why it's not back to them... How much does he want for it?

It went back to Hartech but sounds like it was out of warranty. Owner says he bought the car 400 miles after the original build/conversion was carried out in 2020 and he's put another 19k miles on it since then. Hartech apparently saying (not my words, just reposting, as per PH rules) "These things happen. That's why we've got a new crank bearing design these days".

[Chris Stott]

15 grand plus on a new engine and it last 20k miles?

fk that if there are no other contributing factors… I’d be spamming every site going.

[HughG]

A little milestone over the weekend.
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[shalmaneser]

Congratulations!

Black guage faces look some much better than my silver ones...

[996Keef]

What's the prices doing these days on a early 1999 carrera, I had a very tidy manual sold in 2018 for 11k and a slightly ropey, but dead fun tiptronic I sold in 2019 for 8.5k in usual silver but with some nice options, colour coded hardback seats etc

Will i be kicking myself now or in a few years time, will the 996 become expensive like the 993?

I went into an R8 and the prices seem to be increasing, i always seem to sell cars just before they become cool ha

[IanG1]

Just caught my eye, a manual sub 100K early car with history, got to be worth this all day long
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256041290606?mkcid=16&a...

[ATM]

996Keef said:

What's the prices doing these days on a early 1999 carrera, I had a very tidy manual sold in 2018 for 11k and a slightly ropey, but dead fun tiptronic I sold in 2019 for 8.5k in usual silver but with some nice options, colour coded hardback seats etc

Will i be kicking myself now or in a few years time, will the 996 become expensive like the 993?

I went into an R8 and the prices seem to be increasing, i always seem to sell cars just before they become cool ha

Let us know when you sell the R8. I might buy one.

I think I bought my manual in 2018 or around there - just checked it was Feb 2017. I paid 13 for mine and I thought that was cheap but it was a bit rough around the edges - now rougher. So 11k does indeed sound cheap. But things have moved on now and I think the floor for a manual is around 15k and I think that is still too cheap. I'd like to say the floor is more like 17lk but maybe that is wishful thinking.

[Takeflight]

IanG1 said:

Just caught my eye, a manual sub 100K early car with history, got to be worth this all day long
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256041290606?mkcid=16&a...

Looks lovely, terrible advert, but does seem like it's been looked after. Shame there are no photos of the interior.

[IanG1]

There are more photos including interior on their website
https://www.marshallandsonmotors.co.uk/used-porsch...

[conanius]

ATM said:

Let us know when you sell the R8. I might buy one.

I think I bought my manual in 2018 or around there - just checked it was Feb 2017. I paid 13 for mine and I thought that was cheap but it was a bit rough around the edges - now rougher. So 11k does indeed sound cheap. But things have moved on now and I think the floor for a manual is around 15k and I think that is still too cheap. I'd like to say the floor is more like 17lk but maybe that is wishful thinking.

I still think that the post someone here said is valid. £20k is the number for a good 996.1 C2 Manual Coupe. You might buy for less than that, but you'll spend the gap sorting the issues.

That list of 'issues' isn't getting shorter as these get older:

- Engine (Rebuilt? Bore Scoring? IMS/RMS?) - *not* saying they are needed, but that buyers will rightly/wrongly expect it done/reason for not doing it
- Suspension Refresh (arms, springs/dampers)
- Bodywork (Corrosion in all the usual places and ~20-25 years of wear)
- Brake Pipes
- Air con Pipes/condensers

Etc etc etc.

As these cars get older, the price will rise as less are around, but I think the 996 simply sold in numbers too great to see any stratospheric rises any time soon.

All that said, to me I don't see any other sub 25k or so car that comes close to it. It feels cheap at 20k for a sorted 911.

[shalmaneser]

Takeflight said:

IanG1 said:

Just caught my eye, a manual sub 100K early car with history, got to be worth this all day long
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256041290606?mkcid=16&a...

Looks lovely, terrible advert, but does seem like it's been looked after. Shame there are no photos of the interior.

16k for an aero does seem like excellent value. Minus points for the GT3 badge but 2 mins with a hairdryer fixes that.

[MrBen986]

shalmaneser said:

16k for an aero does seem like excellent value. Minus points for the GT3 badge but 2 mins with a hairdryer fixes that.

It would if it were a genuine aero kit. To be fair the seller addresses that in the video attached to the advert, and suggests if they properly prepped it (rather than PX to clear) and it was a factory aero car, they would be advertising it for around £10k more.

[ATM]

shalmaneser said:

2 mins with a hairdryer fixes that

I thought powerfully built PH Director types were all bald.

[Orangecurry]

There's a Forest Green with black (I think) interior and prob genuine aerokit in my village that isn't being used at the moment.

Are these now becoming fashionable again? They do look good in green.

[jonny996]

conanius said:

I still think that the post someone here said is valid. £20k is the number for a good 996.1 C2 Manual Coupe. You might buy for less than that, but you'll spend the gap sorting the issues.

That list of 'issues' isn't getting shorter as these get older:

- Engine (Rebuilt? Bore Scoring? IMS/RMS?) - *not* saying they are needed, but that buyers will rightly/wrongly expect it done/reason for not doing it
- Suspension Refresh (arms, springs/dampers)
- Bodywork (Corrosion in all the usual places and ~20-25 years of wear)
- Brake Pipes
- Air con Pipes/condensers

Etc etc etc.

As these cars get older, the price will rise as less are around, but I think the 996 simply sold in numbers too great to see any stratospheric rises any time soon.

All that said, to me I don't see any other sub 25k or so car that comes close to it. It feels cheap at 20k for a sorted 911.

Don’t forget the manifold studs, they are a bugger

[ATM]

jonny996 said:

conanius said:

I still think that the post someone here said is valid. £20k is the number for a good 996.1 C2 Manual Coupe. You might buy for less than that, but you'll spend the gap sorting the issues.

That list of 'issues' isn't getting shorter as these get older:

- Engine (Rebuilt? Bore Scoring? IMS/RMS?) - *not* saying they are needed, but that buyers will rightly/wrongly expect it done/reason for not doing it
- Suspension Refresh (arms, springs/dampers)
- Bodywork (Corrosion in all the usual places and ~20-25 years of wear)
- Brake Pipes
- Air con Pipes/condensers

Etc etc etc.

As these cars get older, the price will rise as less are around, but I think the 996 simply sold in numbers too great to see any stratospheric rises any time soon.

All that said, to me I don't see any other sub 25k or so car that comes close to it. It feels cheap at 20k for a sorted 911.

Don’t forget the manifold studs, they are a bugger

And Gearbox rebuild
Clutch
Clutch Pipe
Master Cylinder
Slave Cylinder
Starter Motor and y cable
Coolant Pipes
Power Steering Pipes
Engine and Gearbox mounts
Window Regulators
Indicator and Wiper switches
Ignition switch
The list goes on and on....

I think this is the problem.

We know a sorted 996 is really a 25k car or even cheap at 20k. But the market is full of new meat or lambs to the slaughter. This is all unknown to them.

They think these cars are a bargain at 15k. And so they worry about options like heated seats, zenon lights and alloy wheels. They find the car they want for 15k and buy their bargain. They then start on one or two jobs before they realise owner ship is expensive and bail.

Or end up spending way more than 25k all in to end up with a fully sorted car.

I'm sounding like a grumpy old man now so let's get back to some positive car chat. My car insurance is up for renewal and both my 996 have no MOT. So whilst looking through my paperwork I realise it's been Months since I've driven one. I got both my Boxsters MOT'ed this week so the 996's are next.

I hate to say it lads but the hairdressers cars have been winning recently. It's nice to enjoy some roof down action now that the sun is starting to appear.

[IanG1]

IanG1 said:

Just caught my eye, a manual sub 100K early car with history, got to be worth this all day long
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256041290606?mkcid=16&a...

Didn't hang around long, looks like it's sold on their website.