what is an 'early' 3.4 996?
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BrotherMouzone said:
Fastlane said:
rallyman1978 said:
The search for a manual 3.4 cable throttle with aero and M030 and LSD and black leather was fruitless -
This has just appeared - 1998, C2, manual, aerokit, M030, LSD, black interior, sports seats - £17.5k:https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/F4oAAOSwoJNa1kDz/s-...
The correct link for that car:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
Fast Bug said:
I'm not doing anything with my exhaust 
What upgrades have you got planned?
Did a few bits and pieces a few months ago. LWFW, RSS semi solids, IMS, clutch, solid gearbox mount and a few little odds and ends. Removed the rear seats too.What upgrades have you got planned?
Needs a new key, braided lines and some clutch pipework as service items, along with a new head unit.
Would like to do the following over the summer.
- manifolds, ti studs, 200 cell cats (Top Gear look good)
- duck tail
- 997 GT3 shift kit
- OZs
Currently running black GT3 look wheels. Want to go back to silver on my arctic aero car. Might as well sell my set and go lightweight.
May do the cup wheel and shifter at some point.
It's a lovely little rolling project
Love yours in blue. I had a 98 Ocean Blue a few years back.
ATM said:
I'd like to lose some weight. First up is seats. Then I might dump the AC. I like the idea of Carrera Light Weight's car have you seen his thread. He has also junked the Power Steering too and uses an unassisted rack.
Why would you want to dump the AC? Even in todays moderate temperatures I had mine on and it was lovely! we have a couple cars at work with the AC removed and they are horrendous to drive in the summer. skinny said:
ATM said:
I'd like to lose some weight. First up is seats. Then I might dump the AC. I like the idea of Carrera Light Weight's car have you seen his thread. He has also junked the Power Steering too and uses an unassisted rack.
Why would you want to dump the AC? Even in todays moderate temperatures I had mine on and it was lovely! we have a couple cars at work with the AC removed and they are horrendous to drive in the summer. ATM said:
I've not used the AC in mine but then it doesn't work currently. Its only a fun car. And you can always open a window right.
True but you can’t hear the engine very well with all the wind noise even with my asbo pipes! Worth keeping unless your chasing tenths IMO.
That Cornish car looks pretty good VFM.
The GT3 wannabe car’s advert lays it on a bit thick for me. Hilarious statement regarding cable throttle “gloriously analogue”.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the throttle input get translated into 0’s and 1’s before it actually does anything?
Edited by Scho on Thursday 19th April 06:59
Scho said:
True but you can’t hear the engine very well with all the wind noise even with my asbo pipes!
Worth keeping unless your chasing tenths IMO.
That Cornish car looks pretty good VFM.
The GT3 wannabe car’s advert lays it on a bit thick for me. Hilarious statement regarding cable throttle “gloriously analogue”.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the throttle input get translated into 0’s and 1’s before it actually does anything?
Yes there is a computer controlling a lot but not the throttle butterfly. And lets not forget the computer in the engine management is probably less powerful than the one in your washing machine.Worth keeping unless your chasing tenths IMO.
That Cornish car looks pretty good VFM.
The GT3 wannabe car’s advert lays it on a bit thick for me. Hilarious statement regarding cable throttle “gloriously analogue”.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the throttle input get translated into 0’s and 1’s before it actually does anything?
Edited by Scho on Thursday 19th April 06:59
The aircon helps clear the windows in winter (except it won’t turn on till 3C), which is a blessing with old perished door/window seals
Plus I find that big engine soaks a lot of heat in and I use the aircon even when it’s mot that warm outside
Cost me not much to get the front condensers replaced and system regassed - that’s probably all that is up with yours! Note the system won’t turn on until it’s gassed - we panicked after replacing the condensers and getting no action from the aircon button ... there is a click behind the instrument cluster when it successfully turns on
Plus I find that big engine soaks a lot of heat in and I use the aircon even when it’s mot that warm outside
Cost me not much to get the front condensers replaced and system regassed - that’s probably all that is up with yours! Note the system won’t turn on until it’s gassed - we panicked after replacing the condensers and getting no action from the aircon button ... there is a click behind the instrument cluster when it successfully turns on
richthebike said:
Did a few bits and pieces a few months ago. LWFW, RSS semi solids, IMS, clutch, solid gearbox mount and a few little odds and ends. Removed the rear seats too.
Needs a new key, braided lines and some clutch pipework as service items, along with a new head unit.
Would like to do the following over the summer.
- manifolds, ti studs, 200 cell cats (Top Gear look good)
- duck tail
- 997 GT3 shift kit
- OZs
Currently running black GT3 look wheels. Want to go back to silver on my arctic aero car. Might as well sell my set and go lightweight.
May do the cup wheel and shifter at some point.
It's a lovely little rolling project
Love yours in blue. I had a 98 Ocean Blue a few years back.
RSS semi solids are on the to do list at some point for mine, we were talking about 200 cell cats when my car was in for service at the weekend. I've got a 997 short shift kit fitted, I really like it. Just done the key and did braided lines last year.Needs a new key, braided lines and some clutch pipework as service items, along with a new head unit.
Would like to do the following over the summer.
- manifolds, ti studs, 200 cell cats (Top Gear look good)
- duck tail
- 997 GT3 shift kit
- OZs
Currently running black GT3 look wheels. Want to go back to silver on my arctic aero car. Might as well sell my set and go lightweight.
May do the cup wheel and shifter at some point.
It's a lovely little rolling project
Love yours in blue. I had a 98 Ocean Blue a few years back.
I'd love a ducktail too, are you doing anything with the front bumper? I think it might need a lip spoiler, or GT3 bumper to even the look out?
anonymous said:
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Mine is an early 2000 and I don't think it's 'cable' as it has PSM/traction control (an option on 2WD cars at this time, and I think this means no cable).No problems using throttle and brake at the same time - no issues with T&H, and after I've washed mine I run it up and down my street with my left foot hard on the brake to dry the discs off.
anonymous said:
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Ha, Exactly, Just give me the facts! Still does look like a nice one.
Interesting info re Egas. I always heal toe when pushing on (giving god status) and I've never once had it ignore the throttle blip. Perhaps your technique is not quite as divine as mine. Ha.
If you were presented with two identical cars, One with cable and one without do you think you could tell them apart?
I've driven an early 986 which I guess would have cable throttle and I can't remember the throttle feeling remarkable at all compared to my 996.2.
Feel free to ignore my ramblings if this has been done to death!
Of course with a cable throttle, when you mash the throttle the ecu will take a moment to receive input from the throttle position sensor and the MAF that more air is going in and then inject more fuel to match.....
I don't know whether this delay is less than on an e-gas, where the throttle sensor is polled, and then the ecu decides to adjust the throttle position at the same time as injecting more fuel - it will know about the throttle position before the MAF says more air is going in.
If you want the most instant reactions, get a carburettor car.....
I don't think anyone would notice the difference solely on this issue. There is a load of other baggage that comes with an e -gas car.
There is something romantic about your movements having a direct mechanical input, rather than being insulated by electronics, which is very appealing in this day of variable electric steering, over assisted brakes and soft touch controls.
Mine is a cable throttle and no PSM.
I don't know whether this delay is less than on an e-gas, where the throttle sensor is polled, and then the ecu decides to adjust the throttle position at the same time as injecting more fuel - it will know about the throttle position before the MAF says more air is going in.
If you want the most instant reactions, get a carburettor car.....
I don't think anyone would notice the difference solely on this issue. There is a load of other baggage that comes with an e -gas car.
There is something romantic about your movements having a direct mechanical input, rather than being insulated by electronics, which is very appealing in this day of variable electric steering, over assisted brakes and soft touch controls.
Mine is a cable throttle and no PSM.
Edited by was8v on Thursday 19th April 11:47
was8v said:
Of course with a cable throttle, when you mash the throttle the ecu will take a moment to receive input from the throttle position sensor and the MAF that more air is going in and then inject more fuel to match.....
I think the throttle position sensor has got to be able to signal the ecu as quick as electricity can. Then it can adjust to suit. Must be as quick as a carb squirting in extra fuel when you pump the throttle.ATM said:
I think the throttle position sensor has got to be able to signal the ecu as quick as electricity can. Then it can adjust to suit. Must be as quick as a carb squirting in extra fuel when you pump the throttle.
Depends on the sensor polling frequency... then the ecu has to think about it (how many cpu cycles and at what frequency?), then there is the injector duty cycle....These are all incredibly fast.... but push the throttle on a carb and instantly more air and more fuel is mixed in the intake.
was8v said:
These are all incredibly fast.... but push the throttle on a carb and instantly more air and more fuel is mixed in the intake.
Loved the throttle response on my Beetle, crack the throttle open and instantly the butterflies opened on the IDAs and you were hurled towards the horizon.
Proper N/A engine
Fast Bug said:
was8v said:
These are all incredibly fast.... but push the throttle on a carb and instantly more air and more fuel is mixed in the intake.
Loved the throttle response on my Beetle, crack the throttle open and instantly the butterflies opened on the IDAs and you were hurled towards the horizon.
Proper N/A engine
anonymous said:
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On the R it was hopelessly (and irritatingly) inconsistent. Sometimes the blip was as crisp as you could wish for (normally when you were really on it), but other times it made such a half arsed attempt at blipping in response to your input, it was cringeworthy. It was then that you wished for the good old fashioned response to be had from a cable betwixt your foot and the throttle butterfly, rather than the throttle input some spotty faced programmer (who's lapped the 'Ring 10'000 times on his Playboy)
thought was required ....My 99 c4 (e-gas as all c4's are) is fine with h&t. Occasionally it doesn't blip quite as much as I expect but I put that down to not being as divine as other PHers.
I think if throttle cut comes in, its when you're on throttle then don't lift and you hit the brakes. I haven't tried this out tho as it's not a naturally manoeuvre to want to try out (at least with nothing short of a full blown turbo race car) so could easily be interpreted as an unintended input from the driver
I think if throttle cut comes in, its when you're on throttle then don't lift and you hit the brakes. I haven't tried this out tho as it's not a naturally manoeuvre to want to try out (at least with nothing short of a full blown turbo race car) so could easily be interpreted as an unintended input from the driver
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