what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

[ferrisbueller]

edc said:

ferrisbueller said:

ooid said:

eporsche has a green one with a decent miles + rebuilt engine. 19k

http://www.eporsch.co.uk/listings/2002-porsche-911...

My 996 stubble suggests that's a 3.6?

It would be great if adverts which state a rebuild has been done detailed exactly what that entailed. Doing a bank is a very different thing to the full closed deck works.

The advert says short block from Porsche. How much more description is needed?

OK. Let's assume that "short block" means all brand new between head and sump, which it may or may not.

Then for £13k an engine susceptible to failure has been stripped and rebuilt as an engine susceptible to failure. If that's genuinely what this "short block rebuild" is, then that's difficult to rationalise and I'm not sure why you'd do it.

[ferrisbueller]

anonymous said:

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Quite. I find myself agreeing with 'moose and possibly repeating his points.

Without knowing all the specifics we are left making the leap that the customer specifically asked for an inferior option which cost more than the better one.

It looks lovely and it's nice it's had a rebuild and all, but it's still a 996 3.6 with all of its inherent design flaws in the engine compartment. It's just that someone apparently spent £13k on not engineering them out.

Why is that a better option than buying one that hasn't had a rebuild or finding one that has failed which someone just wants rid of and spending your own money on a rebuild of your own choice without repeating the original failings? It's just a bit odd.

[edh]

Fast Bug said:

Enjoyed having a play in mine yesterday

Very nice - great pic..

[Fast Bug]

Thanks.

I found if you take a photo from far enough away, you can't see that it's in dire need of a session with a mop

[ferrisbueller]

Fast Bug said:

Thanks.

I found if you take a photo from far enough away, you can't see that it's in dire need of a session with a mop

Looks great from that distance.

[Chris Stott]

ferrisbueller said:

Fast Bug said:

Thanks.

I found if you take a photo from far enough away, you can't see that it's in dire need of a session with a mop

Looks great from that distance.

I saw it on Sunday, and it looked very smart for its 136k miles!

Lovely colour

[was8v]

ferrisbueller said:

Without knowing all the specifics we are left making the leap that the customer specifically asked for an inferior option which cost more than the better one.

Guys, calm down.

A few years back Porsche were punting out the 3.6 M96.03 short engine for £3300 INC vat

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?p=1069431

An absolute steal.

I wouldn't have hesitated in grabbing one with both hands if I needed an engine build on a 3.6.

The new engine is revised over its original design (larger ims bearing etc) so does not have "all the inherent faults".

Anyway, that is a penny pinched 3.6, this thread is about the far superior early 3.4 with cable throttle

Edited by was8v on Monday 21st May 17:29

[ferrisbueller]

was8v said:

ferrisbueller said:

Without knowing all the specifics we are left making the leap that the customer specifically asked for an inferior option which cost more than the better one.

Guys, calm down.

A few years back Porsche were punting out the 3.6 M96.03 short engine for £3300 INC vat

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?p=1069431

An absolute steal.

I wouldn't have hesitated in grabbing one with both hands if I needed an engine build on a 3.6.

The new engine is revised over its original design (larger ims bearing etc) so does not have "all the inherent faults".

Anyway, that is a penny pinched 3.6, this thread is about the far superior early 3.4 with cable throttle

Edited by was8v on Monday 21st May 17:29

I think what we're all looking to do here is to identify the good cars for people who may be interested in buying (I'm pondering, rather than buying just now) and look at pros and cons with respect to what is not a straightforward purchase and one that could, realistically, land a buyer with a bill almost the same as the purchase price of the car.

For me the more information the better and understanding what is out there, how it has been dealt with and what value proposition it then represents is absolutely critical in making an informed decision.

Personally, if and when I do buy, I want to make the best choice I can. And, if at all possible, I want to avoid the £12k rebuild at Hartech or similar.

I would quite fancy a 3.7 though

[ferrisbueller]

On the subject of greens, I put this in the PovPork thread last week.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

99V
C4
Manual
105k

£11995

[edh]

Fast Bug said:

Thanks.

I found if you take a photo from far enough away, you can't see that it's in dire need of a session with a mop

Worth doing - mine came up really well...

Edited by edh on Monday 21st May 19:08

[LaurasOtherHalf]

ferrisbueller said:

On the subject of greens, I put this in the PovPork thread last week.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

99V
C4
Manual
105k

£11995

I spied that on AT myself, I quite like the colour combo.

[edc]

It's too easy to criticise the owner of that green one who had to stomach the realtor bill. Everyone on here is looking through tinted lenses. Who knows what the process were and the respective warranties or guarantees given. Who knows what internet posts and discussion were out there at that time or whether the owner believed or even read any of it. Look at it from Joe Bloggs perspective then a known quantity short block from Porsche or a rebuild from somebody you may never have heard of and a subcontractor to you or own Indy at that at a price that may have been the same or even higher then it's not surprising they choose the 'safe option'. It's probably some of the same logic at play for why people prefer to buy from an OPC.

[ooid]

50k, CAT D! "a bespoke built 911 based on a 996 platform"




https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[ferrisbueller]

edc said:

It's too easy to criticise the owner of that green one who had to stomach the realtor bill. Everyone on here is looking through tinted lenses. Who knows what the process were and the respective warranties or guarantees given. Who knows what internet posts and discussion were out there at that time or whether the owner believed or even read any of it. Look at it from Joe Bloggs perspective then a known quantity short block from Porsche or a rebuild from somebody you may never have heard of and a subcontractor to you or own Indy at that at a price that may have been the same or even higher then it's not surprising they choose the 'safe option'. It's probably some of the same logic at play for why people prefer to buy from an OPC.

We're talking about the car. FWIW. In 2016 better options were available, known and well out in the public domain. There are numerous threads and resources via a quick google.

If nothing else it's a known quantity.

[was8v]

I heard Porsche reworked the coolant flow inside the newer blocks, so its maybe not exactly the same thing.

[ferrisbueller]

was8v said:

I heard Porsche reworked the coolant flow inside the newer blocks, so its maybe not exactly the same thing.

Which brings us full circle to needing more info.

Could be a belter.

[jonny996]

edh said:

Worth doing - mine came up really well...

Edited by edh on Monday 21st May 19:08

Dam, those gingers look good against dark blue ( is it ocean?)

[ooid]

anonymous said:

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If it was personal project I would totally shut up but when it's on sale, hard not to comment really...

To be honest, early 3.4 996, like poverty pork experience, best to buy the cheapest out there and drive the hell out of it until it dies..then think later what to do with it? I mean every drive that would end safely, would be super-fun and joy but if it dies, who cares did not pay a lot in the beginning anyway? Buying over-cautious rebuilt or super-cared examples for such an old and not that special 911 -imho- is kinda false economy, I think.

[was8v]

I looked up current prices at rose passion:

A 3.6 short block is currently £5726 inc vat, part number 996100996UX

A 3.4 short block is currently £5414 inc vat part number 996100951TX (that might be x51)

Exchange prices, they have stock of both. Time to flex that PCGB discount?

Each of those would turn into £12k by the time the heads are refurbed and everything else is fitted up with new parts.

Edited by was8v on Monday 21st May 22:33

[ferrisbueller]

was8v said:

I looked up current prices:

A 3.6 short block is currently £5726 inc vat, part number 996100996UX

A 3.4 short block is currently £5414 inc vat part number 996100951TX (that might be x51)

Exchange prices, they have stock of both. Time to flex that PCGB discount?

Each of those would turn into £12k by the time the heads are refurbed and everything else is fitted up with new parts.

Potential for more deviation from the 3.4 topic, but what are the various iterations of block and what are their design differences?