what is an 'early' 3.4 996?
Discussion
ferrisbueller said:
ferrisbueller said:
Not a 3.4, but not poverty Pork either.
2003 53
3.6 C2 Manual
70k
£16,000
Just had £3k suspension refresh - loads of history.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-911-996-FSH-Low...
Still for sale. Interestingly the price has gone up!2003 53
3.6 C2 Manual
70k
£16,000
Just had £3k suspension refresh - loads of history.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-911-996-FSH-Low...
ferrisbueller said:
Any news?
Yes.... so went for a look and the owner took me out for a long drive, apparently only the second time out in the wet in 6 years! As I hoped for, a very honest seller.Car presented really well, a few things to address, it needs two rear tyres soon, tyres all round are dated 2009, N Rated Conti’s. Probably needs rear pads and disks. Radiators have been done, which is good, but from the last 3 OPC service advisories, it appears that the condensers need attention. Also due a service on time not on miles, spark plugs haven’t been done since 2010.
No sign of a clutch change or RMS or IMS, car felt really strong, no smoke at all on start up. His garage floor had no oil staining, so helps to back up it doesn’t have any major leaks. The last 3 OPC services haven’t picked up any leaks, but the last was 2016.
Exhausts looked crusty from what I could see and were flagged at the last OPC service in 2016 along with some signs of perishing suspension bushes. Front suspension dampers looked a big crusty and tired, but it felt very tight on the test drive. Brake pipes have been replaced as it failed an MOT a few years ago on these.
Thankfully no rust at all on the arches and minimal signs of paintwork, a few minor blemishes, the front bumper was chippy with a small amount of lacquer peel.
Overall a really nice example, waiting for some prices to come back tomorrow and hoping to see if we can reach a deal. I’m really tempted to go for it, nervous but quite excited! It’s a 20 year old 911, so i know it’s going to need maintenance.
Will keep you posted!
CB 987 said:
Yes.... so went for a look and the owner took me out for a long drive, apparently only the second time out in the wet in 6 years! As I hoped for, a very honest seller.
Car presented really well, a few things to address, it needs two rear tyres soon, tyres all round are dated 2009, N Rated Conti’s. Probably needs rear pads and disks. Radiators have been done, which is good, but from the last 3 OPC service advisories, it appears that the condensers need attention. Also due a service on time not on miles, spark plugs haven’t been done since 2010.
No sign of a clutch change or RMS or IMS, car felt really strong, no smoke at all on start up. His garage floor had no oil staining, so helps to back up it doesn’t have any major leaks. The last 3 OPC services haven’t picked up any leaks, but the last was 2016.
Exhausts looked crusty from what I could see and were flagged at the last OPC service in 2016 along with some signs of perishing suspension bushes. Front suspension dampers looked a big crusty and tired, but it felt very tight on the test drive. Brake pipes have been replaced as it failed an MOT a few years ago on these.
Thankfully no rust at all on the arches and minimal signs of paintwork, a few minor blemishes, the front bumper was chippy with a small amount of lacquer peel.
Overall a really nice example, waiting for some prices to come back tomorrow and hoping to see if we can reach a deal. I’m really tempted to go for it, nervous but quite excited! It’s a 20 year old 911, so i know it’s going to need maintenance.
Will keep you posted!
Sounds pretty normal stuff to me - I would guess around £5k of things that need doing, less if you do things yourself/shop around. Euro Car Parts are doing 50% off brakes, which ends today - Brembo front and rear discs and pads all for £215.Car presented really well, a few things to address, it needs two rear tyres soon, tyres all round are dated 2009, N Rated Conti’s. Probably needs rear pads and disks. Radiators have been done, which is good, but from the last 3 OPC service advisories, it appears that the condensers need attention. Also due a service on time not on miles, spark plugs haven’t been done since 2010.
No sign of a clutch change or RMS or IMS, car felt really strong, no smoke at all on start up. His garage floor had no oil staining, so helps to back up it doesn’t have any major leaks. The last 3 OPC services haven’t picked up any leaks, but the last was 2016.
Exhausts looked crusty from what I could see and were flagged at the last OPC service in 2016 along with some signs of perishing suspension bushes. Front suspension dampers looked a big crusty and tired, but it felt very tight on the test drive. Brake pipes have been replaced as it failed an MOT a few years ago on these.
Thankfully no rust at all on the arches and minimal signs of paintwork, a few minor blemishes, the front bumper was chippy with a small amount of lacquer peel.
Overall a really nice example, waiting for some prices to come back tomorrow and hoping to see if we can reach a deal. I’m really tempted to go for it, nervous but quite excited! It’s a 20 year old 911, so i know it’s going to need maintenance.
Will keep you posted!
CB 987 said:
Yes.... so went for a look and the owner took me out for a long drive, apparently only the second time out in the wet in 6 years! As I hoped for, a very honest seller.
Car presented really well, a few things to address, it needs two rear tyres soon, tyres all round are dated 2009, N Rated Conti’s. Probably needs rear pads and disks. Radiators have been done, which is good, but from the last 3 OPC service advisories, it appears that the condensers need attention. Also due a service on time not on miles, spark plugs haven’t been done since 2010.
No sign of a clutch change or RMS or IMS, car felt really strong, no smoke at all on start up. His garage floor had no oil staining, so helps to back up it doesn’t have any major leaks. The last 3 OPC services haven’t picked up any leaks, but the last was 2016.
Exhausts looked crusty from what I could see and were flagged at the last OPC service in 2016 along with some signs of perishing suspension bushes. Front suspension dampers looked a big crusty and tired, but it felt very tight on the test drive. Brake pipes have been replaced as it failed an MOT a few years ago on these.
Thankfully no rust at all on the arches and minimal signs of paintwork, a few minor blemishes, the front bumper was chippy with a small amount of lacquer peel.
Overall a really nice example, waiting for some prices to come back tomorrow and hoping to see if we can reach a deal. I’m really tempted to go for it, nervous but quite excited! It’s a 20 year old 911, so i know it’s going to need maintenance.
Will keep you posted!
Sounds like you gave it a good, fair appraisal. So it wants tyres, brakes, service and condensers. Just the way I like them. You buy a straight honest car and get to choose who fits what and when to make it right. All are service/consumables, so no worries and one thing or another will need doing on most cars. Car presented really well, a few things to address, it needs two rear tyres soon, tyres all round are dated 2009, N Rated Conti’s. Probably needs rear pads and disks. Radiators have been done, which is good, but from the last 3 OPC service advisories, it appears that the condensers need attention. Also due a service on time not on miles, spark plugs haven’t been done since 2010.
No sign of a clutch change or RMS or IMS, car felt really strong, no smoke at all on start up. His garage floor had no oil staining, so helps to back up it doesn’t have any major leaks. The last 3 OPC services haven’t picked up any leaks, but the last was 2016.
Exhausts looked crusty from what I could see and were flagged at the last OPC service in 2016 along with some signs of perishing suspension bushes. Front suspension dampers looked a big crusty and tired, but it felt very tight on the test drive. Brake pipes have been replaced as it failed an MOT a few years ago on these.
Thankfully no rust at all on the arches and minimal signs of paintwork, a few minor blemishes, the front bumper was chippy with a small amount of lacquer peel.
Overall a really nice example, waiting for some prices to come back tomorrow and hoping to see if we can reach a deal. I’m really tempted to go for it, nervous but quite excited! It’s a 20 year old 911, so i know it’s going to need maintenance.
Will keep you posted!
I wouldn’t worry about the bushes unless there are any funny noises or handling issues. They look like they’re going before they go. Not cheap to fix, but once they’re done they’re done. IMHO IMS, RMS if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Exhaust and paintwork rather depend on whether you want a driver or a minter. At a guess, depending on whether you do anything yourself, you’re looking £2500 to do what needs doing and double that to make it look nice and do the exhaust.
Of course there may be unseen issues that the service would pick up (PAS pipes for example) but still, at under £20k to have it all sorted that sounds like a good buy to me. Don’t hang around too long!
EGTE said:
Getting a bit off-track here, ferris.
How so? 2000 too late?ETA. The 2003 didn't really have a logical home, so I put it here. The 2000 has so few miles I thought it worth a mention. Not many 98/99 cars around this week (At reputable dealers or privately anyway - stopped posting cars at certain dealers).
Edited by ferrisbueller on Friday 1st June 22:05
edh said:
Can't you all just do the decent thing and buy the first one you see... like the rest of us did 
Oh, if it were so easy. It's an absolute maze of (mis)information which is very difficult to create clear pictures from.
For example, the above 2000 car says in the listing "M96/04-66Y" engine code. One would think that such engine nomenclature would denote a design and build level.
Over on 911uk Baz from Hartech said:
Baz said:
The previous posts are absolutely right - it is a bit of a lottery at times to know what you are dealing with until you have an engine in bits yourself.
There is a lot more to it than simply looking at numbers and parts lists etc.
Right from the start numerous changes appeared inside engines that had no reference to part number changes or description as some parts superceeded others etc.
There were many changes to the IMS bearing and carrier, the cylinder head studs, lots of different designs and specifications of big end and main bearing shells, pistons and their coatings, crankshaft carrier housings, RMS specification, even bolt design etc, etc.
Even the way parts were machined varied a lot – although they did the same job and then there were periods during which engines were built with a new designed part in them and then an even later version went back to be fitted with the older version for a while – making it very difficult to anticipate what we are going to find inside some engines from their manufacturing date and engine number – until we actually get inside.
Baz
Whereas this gives some explanation as to the origin of this thread, it doesn't make life easier for the people looking to make a purchase and establishing the risks associated. There are no clear cut-ins in terms of chassis numbers and even going for engine numbers won't necessarily help. And if the engine was rebuilt by Porsche back in the day, the chances are it was for the worse as it could have been built with inferior components.There is a lot more to it than simply looking at numbers and parts lists etc.
Right from the start numerous changes appeared inside engines that had no reference to part number changes or description as some parts superceeded others etc.
There were many changes to the IMS bearing and carrier, the cylinder head studs, lots of different designs and specifications of big end and main bearing shells, pistons and their coatings, crankshaft carrier housings, RMS specification, even bolt design etc, etc.
Even the way parts were machined varied a lot – although they did the same job and then there were periods during which engines were built with a new designed part in them and then an even later version went back to be fitted with the older version for a while – making it very difficult to anticipate what we are going to find inside some engines from their manufacturing date and engine number – until we actually get inside.
Baz
I suppose the catch-all is to look at everything in exactly the same way and just add £12k to the purchase price. With that approach, 996.2 comes into play, too but at prices effectively then running up to mid 20s, it's hard to think of the value in the same way.
I've had many cars - this is by far the most complex due diligence I've ever contemplated.
EGTE said:
It's not a for-sale thread.
Point taken. This is one of the threads on PH for potential buyers. I thought it would be helpful to pick out examples for the illuminati to comment on and also to capture prices for given cars at points in time for current and future buyers. I can, of course, stop if it isn't helpful.
EGTE said:
Or remember that 1998-2008 cars are now so cheap, that even if you do have to fix something big (not as likely as forums make out), you've still got a performance bargain.
Yes, plenty of car for the money.Mine is a 1998 C2 in black, 6 speed box with cable throttle body - it somehow feels classical and modern all at the same time, especially after owning my razor sharp firmomatic-ride Focus RS.
Edited by TwinExit on Monday 4th June 17:09
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