what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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EGTE

996 posts

183 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Whilst we're all salivating over the Mark 1 996, let's not forget the Mark 2 has a 25%-stiffer body shell ......which is a LOT.

PSM is no bad thing, either; it can be turned off, plus it can save your car in bad situations.

In my experience, the VariocamPlus 3.6 is a significantly punchier engine, too.

bgunn

1,417 posts

132 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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was8v said:
Side airbags are an MY99 thing I think, mine has them. 98 build MY99 spec.
They were optional, originally.

bgunn

1,417 posts

132 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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EGTE said:
Whilst we're all salivating over the Mark 1 996, let's not forget the Mark 2 has a 25%-stiffer body shell ......which is a LOT.

PSM is no bad thing, either; it can be turned off, plus it can save your car in bad situations.

In my experience, the VariocamPlus 3.6 is a significantly punchier engine, too.
Being a 3.6, it'll also trash itself, so punchier it may be, but bore scorey it also is.

The 996.1 is hardly 'poor' in stiffness. Those people who salivate all over their 993s would do well to know the 996 is significantly stiffer in torsion and beam than the older car (which is naturally based upon the original 901, ultimately).

The early 996 is a bit creaky because of the slightly naff interior quality, but that can be cured with some care and attention. I love the simplicity of my early car which keeps it as close to as pure a 911 as a 996 can be. Later cars get gradually heavier and more insulated, which takes away some of the 'joy' for me.

ferrisbueller

29,344 posts

228 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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was8v said:
Side airbags are an MY99 thing I think, mine has them. 98 build MY99 spec.
Porsche brochure 9/98 says POSIP (including side airbags) are standard fit.

JS1500

579 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Does anyone know what changes were made to make the 996.2 25% stiffer than an equivalent 996.1? Presumably this figure is for standard C2s with sunroof?
I think a 996.1 C4 with no sunroof is a pretty stiff thing, I can't remember the %figure but it's significantly stiffer than a 996.1 C2 with sunroof.

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Dammit said:
Mine


ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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olly22n said:
I had my first ride in a 3.4 996 last week.

Glorious thing. I want one.
Good man

EGTE

996 posts

183 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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bgunn said:
EGTE said:
Whilst we're all salivating over the Mark 1 996, let's not forget the Mark 2 has a 25%-stiffer body shell ......which is a LOT.

PSM is no bad thing, either; it can be turned off, plus it can save your car in bad situations.

In my experience, the VariocamPlus 3.6 is a significantly punchier engine, too.
Being a 3.6, it'll also trash itself, so punchier it may be, but bore scorey it also is.

The 996.1 is hardly 'poor' in stiffness. Those people who salivate all over their 993s would do well to know the 996 is significantly stiffer in torsion and beam than the older car (which is naturally based upon the original 901, ultimately).

The early 996 is a bit creaky because of the slightly naff interior quality, but that can be cured with some care and attention. I love the simplicity of my early car which keeps it as close to as pure a 911 as a 996 can be. Later cars get gradually heavier and more insulated, which takes away some of the 'joy' for me.
They all wear out eventually, but post-hartech I'll take the 3.6 every time. If the 996.1 was stiff enough, why would Porsche have gone to the trouble of increasing the .2 so significantly?

IanG1

225 posts

190 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Another late 996.1 C2 to add to the mix?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

bgunn

1,417 posts

132 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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EGTE said:
They all wear out eventually, but post-hartech I'll take the 3.6 every time. If the 996.1 was stiff enough, why would Porsche have gone to the trouble of increasing the .2 so significantly?
Slightly facile comment really: Of course you'll take a 3.6 if it's had a complete rebuild.

Also, same on the body stiffness. Why did Porsche create the 996 when the 993 was 'fine' (and preferable to most people). It's called 'progress'. Doesn't mean the .1 is intrinsically bad.

I fail to see what you're getting at. This thread is about 3.4 996.1s and there are a number of people who say they prefer them. You may prefer the .2. Good! That's what makes the world an interesting place..

Edited by bgunn on Thursday 23 August 14:17

LordHaveMurci

12,045 posts

170 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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EGTE said:
Whilst we're all salivating over the Mark 1 996, let's not forget the Mark 2 has a 25%-stiffer body shell ......which is a LOT.
I knew the C4 used the same stiffer shell as the GT3 but I had no idea the .2 was stiffer than the .1 - not something that ever seems to get mentioned despite the regular debates about which is better.

How did they stiffen it, any idea?

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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LordHaveMurci said:
EGTE said:
Whilst we're all salivating over the Mark 1 996, let's not forget the Mark 2 has a 25%-stiffer body shell ......which is a LOT.
I knew the C4 used the same stiffer shell as the GT3 but I had no idea the .2 was stiffer than the .1 - not something that ever seems to get mentioned despite the regular debates about which is better.

How did they stiffen it, any idea?
Newer cars have been getting stiffer for the last 15 to 20 years. It's all about safety. I read - roughly 10 years ago now - that the fire rescue people have been buying stronger and stronger machines to cut through the metal of cars to get occupamts out after a crash. The metal used is getting stiffer for the safety cell so that occupants don't get crushed so easily.

This is why a mk1 mx5 weighs nothing and will fold up easily in a side impact.

I had a Renault 5 turbo when I was a lad. The panels on that felt like aluminium.

ferrisbueller

29,344 posts

228 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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ATM said:
LordHaveMurci said:
EGTE said:
Whilst we're all salivating over the Mark 1 996, let's not forget the Mark 2 has a 25%-stiffer body shell ......which is a LOT.
I knew the C4 used the same stiffer shell as the GT3 but I had no idea the .2 was stiffer than the .1 - not something that ever seems to get mentioned despite the regular debates about which is better.

How did they stiffen it, any idea?
Newer cars have been getting stiffer for the last 15 to 20 years. It's all about safety. I read - roughly 10 years ago now - that the fire rescue people have been buying stronger and stronger machines to cut through the metal of cars to get occupamts out after a crash. The metal used is getting stiffer for the safety cell so that occupants don't get crushed so easily.

This is why a mk1 mx5 weighs nothing and will fold up easily in a side impact.

I had a Renault 5 turbo when I was a lad. The panels on that felt like aluminium.
Not so sure it's the material as opposed to construction methods and the structural designs. FEA and CAD allow engineers to optimise strength very efficiently by using the right materials in the right ways in the right places. Legislation and road safety expectations also led to huge leaps in impact resilience and protection.

Earlier, safety equalled massive weight penalty as the answer was just to throw more material at it. Technology moved on and structural integrity being achieved isn't always in proportion to weight gain.

Chris Stott

13,408 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Anyone running a Cup wheel with a metropole interior?

Just want to check a black wheel doesn't look daft with a blue interior... otherwise I'll order a leather Momo and get it re-trimmed.

nebpor

3,753 posts

236 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Give me the lighter weight and simplicity of an early 3.4 over a .2 any day of the week.

richthebike

1,734 posts

138 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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nebpor said:
Give me the lighter weight and simplicity of an early 3.4 over a .2 any day of the week.
Agree with this.
Having run a .2 and a .1 (x2) I can say without a doubt I prefer the looks of the .1.

Just don't get the half curved half straight line on the headlights of the .2. Ruins it for me.

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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richthebike said:
Agree with this.
Having run a .2 and a .1 (x2) I can say without a doubt I prefer the looks of the .1.

Just don't get the half curved half straight line on the headlights of the .2. Ruins it for me.
I prefer the gt3 bumper on the .2 and I'd go for the .2 headlamps too if it meant I could have that bumper. Then I'd go for the big flat .2 rear wing too and max power the F out of it.

bgunn

1,417 posts

132 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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nebpor said:
Give me the lighter weight and simplicity of an early 3.4 over a .2 any day of the week.
Well they're a bit more like a 911 ought to be in most people's heads.. Or mine, anyway.

stuckmojo

2,984 posts

189 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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ATM said:
Mine

Mine is one of the earliest sold in the UK and is the same (though in much maligned Savannah leather - which I love because I am a chav)

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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stuckmojo said:
ATM said:
Mine

Mine is one of the earliest sold in the UK and is the same (though in much maligned Savannah leather - which I love because I am a chav)
I checked my v5 and it's August 98