what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

[richthebike]

tobie said:

Appreciate the comments, maybe it's just me but I wasn't actually specifically after a 'low milage' car - if anything it does put me off slightly (given it's covered a max of a few hundred miles in the last 5 years) - I'd be concerned about things cropping up. Arguably I'd find a higher mileage one more attractive like the one I missed out on yesterday.

I appreciate these cars (especially good ones) are few and far between now, and I'm definitely intending to buy a car; having tried to leave a deposit on two previously.

I will have a think about going to have a look at it, but if there's no paperwork other than the service book, I am not convinced (personally) that it would be a good buy, in relative terms.

Appreciate it might sound like I'm just thinking, rather than intending to buy - but honestly I am not really in a need to rush - even if I might have got a little impatient as of late.

You don't need to justify your actions - you'll come across one that feels right. The process is different for everyone.

[richthebike]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184343062580

That looks like an honest car.

[ferrisbueller]

richthebike said:

tobie said:

Appreciate the comments, maybe it's just me but I wasn't actually specifically after a 'low milage' car - if anything it does put me off slightly (given it's covered a max of a few hundred miles in the last 5 years) - I'd be concerned about things cropping up. Arguably I'd find a higher mileage one more attractive like the one I missed out on yesterday.

I appreciate these cars (especially good ones) are few and far between now, and I'm definitely intending to buy a car; having tried to leave a deposit on two previously.

I will have a think about going to have a look at it, but if there's no paperwork other than the service book, I am not convinced (personally) that it would be a good buy, in relative terms.

Appreciate it might sound like I'm just thinking, rather than intending to buy - but honestly I am not really in a need to rush - even if I might have got a little impatient as of late.

You don't need to justify your actions - you'll come across one that feels right. The process is different for everyone.

Patience pays.

[MarcusPD]

PaulGT3 said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-PORSCHE-911-3-4-CA...

Hartech rebuilt manual 3.4, for less than the price of a hartech rebuild.

For some reason, this car is not recognised by the MOT checker on that reg. If it's on an age related plate, why not show it? Also, being a Cat N insurance write off, I tried to get an insurance quote, as they can be higher or refuse to insure a Cat N. Again, reg not recognised

Could be a great risk for someone, but the "Insurance company's dog ate my homework service book for GDPR regulations" excuse sounds a bit odd. Really? What, but they kept the record of the Hartech rebuild from years before?

For me now, there are cars starting to creep into my budget with strong service and maintenance history. This is more important for me now than low mileage or a Hartech rebuild which could have happened 15 plus years ago.

I've sent requests twice now to the trade seller of the £15K 3.7 engined silver Aero one, asking when the engine was upgraded to a Hatech 3.7. The lack of any response is disappointing. I'd rather it in writing than phone up and hear it from a salesman over the phone. Maybe that's just me?

[hyphen]

nunpuncher said:

Good price for a car with a rebuild even if it is a CAT N.

Must have hit a kerb at some speed to crack a wheel and bar?

Would you buy it without an engineers inspection? I wouldn't as risk averse. Cat sales are also better when the seller posts pictures of the 'before'.

Looks a good otherwise

Edited by hyphen on Friday 3rd July 14:19

[MarcusPD]

richthebike said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184343062580

That looks like an honest car.

That looks good for the money. At £13K, I could get to like silver cars and the grey interior looks OK in dark grey.
A strong history file, including all the things which often need doing.

Just a shame it's so far from me really.

[porkey]

The problem is that there is loads to choose from until you start to get fussy. I was exactly the same.
Low miles, low owners, good colour, C2 obviously, perfect history and condition, perfect spec and it needs to be the right price.
That car didn't exist so I had to be pragmatic or wait for ever, and still not find the perfect car.

Here's a decent looking car.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...

Edited by porkey on Friday 3rd July 14:56

[ATM]

MarcusPD said:

PaulGT3 said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-PORSCHE-911-3-4-CA...

Hartech rebuilt manual 3.4, for less than the price of a hartech rebuild.

Could be a great risk for someone, but the "Insurance company's dog ate my homework service book for GDPR regulations" excuse sounds a bit odd. Really? What, but they kept the record of the Hartech rebuild from years before?

I'm just not too keen on ocean blue. Looks a bit meh. I agree with the comments about the Hartech rebuild being difficult to prove if the car has no service history. I keep thinking less honest sellers will start to manufacture Hartech receipts if it can bolster their sale.

To be fair to this seller he does say he 'took it to Hartech for a post engine rebuild service where all was pronounced ok' so maybe that adds some legitimacy to the mix. It does seem to imply the rebuild was recent if it needed a post engine rebuild service. Or perhaps the seller just booked it in for a routine service and has a receipt for that. Who knows!

Has anyone heard about the new place in Bolton employing x-Hartech engineers?

Edited by ATM on Friday 3rd July 15:16

[ATM]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Yup

Good to see you're keeping up to date on all the latest ads.

I saw another car listed as having a short block from Hartech and then built up by a different garage. The fully itemised receipt made interesting reading. Not sure I can find it now. Once you start digging for 996 cars with just the mention of a rebuild you find lots.

[996driver]

tobie said:

Worth a look for sure - I'm not too far from Bromley.

The parking sensors... ouch - how much can you pickup a new rear bumper for these?

I just bought a rear bumper for mine that was £170 delivered. Sadly I sold my rear bumper with parking sensor holes for £40 just to be rid.

If you're not in a rush there are parts around although I was quoted £300 plus for bumper from one of the specialist breakers

[jonny996]

ATM said:

MarcusPD said:

PaulGT3 said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-PORSCHE-911-3-4-CA...

Hartech rebuilt manual 3.4, for less than the price of a hartech rebuild.

Could be a great risk for someone, but the "Insurance company's dog ate my homework service book for GDPR regulations" excuse sounds a bit odd. Really? What, but they kept the record of the Hartech rebuild from years before?

I'm just not too keen on ocean blue. Looks a bit meh. I agree with the comments about the Hartech rebuild being difficult to prove if the car has no service history. I keep thinking less honest sellers will start to manufacture Hartech receipts if it can bolster their sale.

To be fair to this seller he does say he 'took it to Hartech for a post engine rebuild service where all was pronounced ok' so maybe that adds some legitimacy to the mix. It does seem to imply the rebuild was recent if it needed a post engine rebuild service. Or perhaps the seller just booked it in for a routine service and has a receipt for that. Who knows!

Has anyone heard about the new place in Bolton employing x-Hartech engineers?

Edited by ATM on Friday 3rd July 15:16

Well that’s 2 ocean blue Manual C4 coupe with Hartech rebuilds I know off

[Speedgelb]

ATM said:

I'm just not too keen on ocean blue. Looks a bit meh.

Have you seen one in the flesh? Think it's an awesome colour, personally. Really hard to photograph, but is a proper pearlescent hue, shifting from dark, almost navy blue, to green.

ATM said:

Has anyone heard about the new place in Bolton employing x-Hartech engineers?

Are you talking about Unique Porsche in Westhoughton? Darren #1 and Rob are both ex-Hartech. There's a Darren #2 as well.

Used them recently - highly recommended.

[ATM]

Speedgelb said:

ATM said:

I'm just not too keen on ocean blue. Looks a bit meh.

Have you seen one in the flesh? Think it's an awesome colour, personally. Really hard to photograph, but is a proper pearlescent hue, shifting from dark, almost navy blue, to green.

ATM said:

Has anyone heard about the new place in Bolton employing x-Hartech engineers?

Are you talking about Unique Porsche in Westhoughton? Darren #1 and Rob are both ex-Hartech. There's a Darren #2 as well.

Used them recently - highly recommended.

Unique - yes thats the badger.

Blue - no not seen it in the flesh. Can't remember the last time I saw a 996.1 other than my own and my mate's aero in GR.

[ATM]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Hang on

You thinking Rear Engine now instead of Mid?

[ITP]

PaulGT3 said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-PORSCHE-911-3-4-CA...

Hartech rebuilt manual 3.4, for less than the price of a hartech rebuild.

Start of ad says selling because bought a new toy. (I presume this is a car and not a barbie doll)
End of ad says he’d consider part ex?

[hyphen]

ITP said:

Start of ad says selling because bought a new toy. (I presume this is a car and not a barbie doll)
End of ad says he’d consider part ex?

His personal info says he is a business. His email address listed suggests a motor trader. So could be just sales speak?

You can't tell from the ad if he brought it, fixed and up for sale straight away, or if was his personal car. Number plate doesnt come up on mot checker so cant tell that way.

[Speedgelb]

ATM said:

Unique - yes thats the badger.

Blue - no not seen it in the flesh. Can't remember the last time I saw a 996.1 other than my own and my mate's aero in GR.

Have spoke to Unique about their rebuilds - the crankcases are farmed out to an external firm. They use steel liners, not nikasil.

Am not going to start a discussion / debate about which liners are 'better' - Hartech use Nikasil AFAIK. Strasse OTOH have built a number of cars using steel liners, cars that are used for racing.

[edc]

Quite. Autofarm and others have been doing rebuilds for years too. Autofarm had been doing the 3.7 conversion 10+ years ago long before this forum had a Hartech vibe.

[Fast Bug]

Speedgelb said:

ATM said:

I'm just not too keen on ocean blue. Looks a bit meh.

Have you seen one in the flesh? Think it's an awesome colour, personally. Really hard to photograph, but is a proper pearlescent hue, shifting from dark, almost navy blue, to green.

ATM said:

Mine's Ocean, and when it's clean it does look rather nice in the sun.

[nunpuncher]

How come Nikasil liners aren't available on the open market? Doesn't that American bloke bang on about using "Niki's" for his rebuilds.

Speaking of rebuilds. I did a filtered search last night for 911s under £20k and was surprised to see a lot of 997.1 with replaced engines mixed in with 996 prices. The very bottom of 997.1 prices seem to merge within a few hundred of the top of 996.1 prices.