what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

[tomtom]

IMO it's quite toppy for a 2000 '4 with that sort of mileage, rebuild notwithstanding. I paid a lot less for my '98 C2 with an Autofarm rebuild and (slightly) lower mileage.

[Chris Stott]

£23k spent in 5 years would indicate its probably had a lot of the main jobs done. Subtract the cost of a rebuild at, say £8-9k, and you have £14-15k of maintenance work.

Obviously you’d need to go through all the invoices, but it’s another ‘is there more value in buying something with most of the work done’ cars.

Regarding the status of 2000my cars... I’ve seen little to suggest the engines are any less reliable than a 199X car... and my own sample size of one cat has one of the highest mileages in this thread.

[PGNSagaris]

ATM said:

Depends on what has been done during the rebuild I'd say. You either are getting really excited by the rebuild or you really want a C4 with ruffled leather or a combination of both. I'm not sure a 2000 really qualifies as an early car with the early car piston coatings. I was told to stick to 97 to 98 and maybe 99 but not 2000. Just regurgitating there so no idea the validity.

Agree. Depends on the build but having had one at RPM on my CSR a few years ago, they absolutely refused to cut corners at all. Which killed my wallet but was equally re-assuring.

Ruffled leather not a worry. I guess the appeal is the build, recent spend, the colour and the wheels. Will go and view

I’m sure there is wriggle room in the price too

[nunpuncher]

Chris Stott said:

Regarding the status of 2000my cars... I’ve seen little to suggest the engines are any less reliable than a 199X car... and my own sample size of one cat has one of the highest mileages in this thread.

I think the hysteria over piston coatings can be added to the myth of the dual row IMS and the cable throttle. The Lockasil coating isn't the sole cause of bore scoring. You need the excess heat/thinner walls caused by the increased capacity. I don't even think the 3.6s are that bad as there's plenty of those kicking about on high miles. Main culprit seems to be the 3.8 version of the m96 in the 997.1 S.

I'm not saying it's never happened but I'm yet to see one person with a 3.4 of any year say they needed a rebuild due to bore scoring.

[Scho]

Seems dear to me that c4

I’m having naughty thoughts of running a 996 c2 for daily/mincing along side the Elise s1 for when I’m feeling masochistic.

Miss the touring/postering potential of the 996 if I’m honest.

Edited by Scho on Tuesday 11th August 16:31

Edited by Scho on Tuesday 11th August 16:32

[deckster]

Seem to be a few "you can get an early low-miles C2 with cable throttle and unicorn hide for thruppence-hapenny" type of comments here.

Assuming all is as has been said this looks like a good, well-cared for car with a good history and a respected rebuild. If it checks out then this would seem be a great bet for a low-trouble car that should keep going for years to come. As has been said in the past, C2 vs C4 is nothing more than a personal preference and 136k miles with all the jobs done really shouldn't be scaring anybody.

At worst, £17k is only a tad strong for a good car - but for sure it's a very reasonable basis for opening negotiations.

[PGNSagaris]

anonymous said:

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Good points. My thinking is that once an engine has been built by RPM, you'll have at least another 150k, maybe 200k of driving without engine worries.

Will go and see and report back

[nunpuncher]

If you're concerned about resale then a 996 isn't the car for you full stop.

Unless you manage to find a SY or GR early manual C2 cable throttle car with the infinity IMS, adamantium piston coating, no sunroof, aero kit, every job done including all new suspension, tyres, brakes, clutch and manifold bolts, high enough to prove it hasn't sat around yet low enough for you to enjoy it "cause they don't like to sit around".

Goldilocks. Someone will always find a reason why this or that car isn't the one to buy. Get it bought and get on with enjoying your life.

[ATM]

nunpuncher said:

Get it bought and get on with enjoying your life.

If you want a blue c4 with grey ruffled leather.

[Fast Bug]

I bought a leggy 996 in Blue with Grey interior. There's a bum for every seat as they say

[deckster]

ATM said:

nunpuncher said:

Get it bought and get on with enjoying your life.

If you want a blue c4 with grey ruffled leather.

Or if you want a decent car that you can enjoy driving and you aren't worried about the cosmetics. Everybody's different.

[nunpuncher]

anonymous said:

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While there is no doubt the higher production numbers mean the builders see more failures for those engines. You'd be going against a theory put forward by some very experienced and reputable engine builders by saying the bored out versions aren't more susceptible. They seem pretty sure the heat in bank 2 is the issue. I believe the mid configuration in the Cayman runs hotter so the same effect at a lower capacity.

[ooid]

My dad had a 997 with 3.6 engine, 2005 model, manual brand new. The car needed new engine after 45k of use, (I think it was just over 4 years old back than). He dumped it to the dealer as it was a company car anyway, and warranty was still active. No idea what was the issue but it was rattling like hell and misfiring. It is such a shame, as the car looked, sounded and drove fantastic but I think they are just bag of mechanical crap underneath. They are really cheap now but considering what can happen I would not want to own one without a warranty.

[Crojac]

Thoughts on the below car?

High mileage but had an engine rebuild from "AutoFarm" 42k miles ago. Recent MOT with no advisories, seller seems to have sorted out quite a few issues when prepping the car for sale (condensers, suspension mounts, coil packs and discs & pads all round)

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

[ATM]

Crojac said:

Thoughts on the below car?

High mileage but had an engine rebuild from "AutoFarm" 42k miles ago. Recent MOT with no advisories, seller seems to have sorted out quite a few issues when prepping the car for sale (condensers, suspension mounts, coil packs and discs & pads all round)

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

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In the description it says

Space Grey (dark grey / blue) leather interior

I've never heard of that but looks fine. The pics all look good to me.

Also same owner last 10 years

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[Chris Stott]

ATM said:

Like

In the description it says

Space Grey (dark grey / blue) leather interior

I've never heard of that but looks fine. The pics all look good to me.

Also same owner last 10 years

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Why the different reaction to that one vs the blue car?

Other than C4 vs C2, they are very similar.

[ATM]

Chris Stott said:

ATM said:

Like

In the description it says

Space Grey (dark grey / blue) leather interior

I've never heard of that but looks fine. The pics all look good to me.

Also same owner last 10 years

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Why the different reaction to that one vs the blue car?

Other than C4 vs C2, they are very similar.

I dont hate the blue C4. Not sure why people are reading hatred into my comments. I just said if you want a blue c4 with grey ruffled leather then buy it. It could be a good car yes. I personally dont like c4 and I dont particularly like ruffled leather.

[tomtom]

Just been catching up on the FGP YouTube vids and the silver C2 with the Autofarm rebuild that he has in at the moment looks like a better buy than that C4 for the money. In my opinion.

Watch the video and then it's a known quantity. Plus it's a truly early C2 that's had a rebuild already.

Edited by tomtom on Wednesday 12th August 18:37

[delays]

Crojac said:

Thoughts on the below car?

High mileage but had an engine rebuild from "AutoFarm" 42k miles ago. Recent MOT with no advisories, seller seems to have sorted out quite a few issues when prepping the car for sale (condensers, suspension mounts, coil packs and discs & pads all round)

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

This car was up as a private sale at £12k early July. I was the first to call the seller, but FGP bought/paid for it before I could get down to Bristol.

The engine is what Autofarm call the "Silsleeve" rebuild - unsure if they still use the brand name, but you can dig up the details on the conversion or hunt back through 2007-2008 Porsche mags, where I recall they used to advertise it.

I've still got all the emails/scans of the service history that the seller sent me, so if you're interested, drop me a PM and I'll fire across what I have.

[tomtom]

My car's had the Autofarm sleeve thing done so I can dig out the paperwork if you want to know anything about it, but I'm sure Mr FGP has it all.