what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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skinny

4,857 posts

183 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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griffter said:
It will have the electronic throttle, electronic boot and bonnet release, I'm pretty sure it'll have the three spoke steering wheel and I'm pretty sure the C4 didn't come with amber front indicators. No one can be sure on the IMS bearing. None of these matter in practice IMHO.
My '99 C4 had manual boot / bonnet release and 4-spoke steering wheel - I think those were just an early thing rather than C2/C4. I do have the clear indicators tho and the revised rear lights.

Edited by skinny on Sunday 30th April 22:20

griffter

3,328 posts

203 months

Monday 1st May 2017
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skinny said:
My '99 C4 had manual boot / bonnet release and 4-spoke steering wheel - I think those were just an early thing rather than C2/C4. I do have the clear indicators tho and the revised rear lights.

Edited by skinny on Sunday 30th April 22:20
That's interesting. I assumed the updates to other bits coincided with the introduction of the C4. More important than ever to assess the car in front of you on its merits then!

Dammit

3,235 posts

156 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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As this is the thread that I'd mentioned my 3.4 cab ownership costs I thought I'd update, I have the invoice from Precision for the latest work (which may change but not by a huge amount as they double check the list of parts) so I've changed my estimate to reflect reality:



So I can confirm that so far it's been more expensive to own an 18 year old 996 than it would have been to buy a brand new 991, if I'd financed it.

I'm really very hopeful that the spending will tail off now as we've attended to suspension, brakes, engine and I have bodywork and hood planned in.

I am still planning on getting a Hartech rebuild, but that'll be in a couple of years (I'd hope!) as I approach 80,000 miles.

With that added to the tally we'd be looking at the £40,000 996.


Slippydiff

10,664 posts

171 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Dammit said:
As this is the thread that I'd mentioned my 3.4 cab ownership costs I thought I'd update, I have the invoice from Precision for the latest work (which may change but not by a huge amount as they double check the list of parts) so I've changed my estimate to reflect reality:



So I can confirm that so far it's been more expensive to own an 18 year old 996 than it would have been to buy a brand new 991, if I'd financed it.

I'm really very hopeful that the spending will tail off now as we've attended to suspension, brakes, engine and I have bodywork and hood planned in.

I am still planning on getting a Hartech rebuild, but that'll be in a couple of years (I'd hope!) as I approach 80,000 miles.

With that added to the tally we'd be looking at the £40,000 996.
Dammit said:
So I can confirm that so far it's been more expensive to own an 18 year old 996 than it would have been to buy a brand new 991, if I'd financed it.
Might just be me missing something ? (I've not read the whole thread) but that paints rather an "unfair" and pessimistic picture of the 996 running costs. And it sounds like you've gone for an open chequebook, rather than a more pragmatic approach too possibly ? ?

I wouldn't term accident damage a "normal" Porsche 996 running expense.....

Roof replacement, bodywork and paint/painting seat backs is required because ? the previous owner/s weren't careful/diligent ? or they're a wear item ?

Centre console delete and Becker supply/fitting, Well technically that's not a running cost, surely it's more of an upgrade?

PPI is an "expense" you'd expect to pay irrespective of the car you buy (and probably the best £250 you'll spend on any car !!)

Tyres are a wear item on any car.

I'd like to know what you got for your £6k suspension overhaul ..... Ohlins and RSS adjustable toe, camber and caster arms everywhere I'd hope ? smile

I'd go on, but I think you get the point smile









skinny

4,857 posts

183 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Its still 13k onto a 10k car tho ignoring the elective stuff.

Im probably only 5k required into mine and 5k elective. I suspect over the next year I'll need another 5-7k on suspension and exhaust and service stuff like plugs etc.

Highlights the importance of knowing what you're getting into. Try to find something where the previous owner has spent the money. Or at least be aware of what it needs and take that into account in purchase price. However the difference between a fully sorted car and a car that needs refreshing will always be less than the cost of the refresh

Fast Bug

7,583 posts

109 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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I've chucked a grand at mine since I bought it on a big service, MOT, thorough check over and a few little bits here and there. If I was being hypercritical I'd want to paint the passenger door and roof and the steering wheel will be retrimmed in the next few weeks, but nothing that I would count as 'normal' running costs

It even scrubs up ok biggrin


monty999

669 posts

53 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Dammit said:
As this is the thread that I'd mentioned my 3.4 cab ownership costs I thought I'd update, I have the invoice from Precision for the latest work (which may change but not by a huge amount as they double check the list of parts) so I've changed my estimate to reflect reality:



So I can confirm that so far it's been more expensive to own an 18 year old 996 than it would have been to buy a brand new 991, if I'd financed it.

I'm really very hopeful that the spending will tail off now as we've attended to suspension, brakes, engine and I have bodywork and hood planned in.

I am still planning on getting a Hartech rebuild, but that'll be in a couple of years (I'd hope!) as I approach 80,000 miles.

With that added to the tally we'd be looking at the £40,000 996.
Quite unbelievable eek I take it the pre-purchase inspection didn't throw up any of this work to be done, but if it did, then surely you would walk away from a possible £20k after purchase spend.

Dammit

3,235 posts

156 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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The PPI identified ~£4,500 of it, which was factored into the purchase price of the car.

A couple of things to note - this is, as has been observed, not the route that everyone would take with their car.

Everything that Precision Porsche have identified as needing changing/fixing has been done - a lot of owners would have left stuff (they said), although to do so would have been to (in my view) compromise the car (a large chunk of the bill I called "suspension etc" was to get the air-conditioning working again, for example, which isn't required for the car to work).

Does the roof need changing? No, not really - the rear window is fogged and that's annoying me, it's reached an age when it's gone beyond it's elastic limit I think (warning: wrong terms being used) and therefore whenever it flexes it fogs more.

Will painting the seat backs change the way they work? No, it'll get rid of the deep scratches in the backs that resulted from an incident with (I am told) the wind-deflector.

The bodywork is required to address corrosion - the dissimilar metal issue under the door striker plates and the boot lid, but the cost of tackling that was two thirds the cost of a complete respray and would mean no blending the front in, no blending half way along the doors etc.

Did I have to do everything I've done and will do? No, in the same way that Heathrow Airport Parking crashing my car isn't a typical running expense (one would hope!) that any 996 owner should expect.

But these are the costs, honestly recorded, of getting the car to A1 condition, which is why I thought it might be interesting to mention.

griffter

3,328 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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I spent a lot more than you on buying my 996 and have spent a lot less on keeping it 100% operational and in excellent condition. I'm not sure buying cheap always works out cheap.

Dammit

3,235 posts

156 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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I expect that that is true- however amber indicator/cable throttle/dual row cars are rare- I bought the best available at the time.

ras62

969 posts

104 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Rare? Adding criteria like the colour of the indicator to justify calling a mainstream 911 rare is a bit silly. They are not rare.

You are saying you bought the best available and look at how much I've spent on it getting the car to a standard Im happy with. By implication you are saying other cars will not be "the best I could find" standard and will need a fortune spent. That again is nosense.

stuckmojo

2,026 posts

136 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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I drove mine for 2 years every day and in 20k miles I added to it I haven't spent more than 2 grand.

For perspective

Dammit

3,235 posts

156 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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ras62 said:
Rare? Adding criteria like the colour of the indicator to justify calling a mainstream 911 rare is a bit silly. They are not rare.

You are saying you bought the best available and look at how much I've spent on it getting the car to a standard Im happy with. By implication you are saying other cars will not be "the best I could find" standard and will need a fortune spent. That again is nosense.
Would you prefer me to use another term for "something of which there are few available"?

Have a look and let me know how many cars there are, in the UK, currently for sale that meet this criteria:

Amber indicator
Cable throttle
Dual row IMS
3 spoke steering wheel
Hard back sports seats
LSD
Extended leather
Door speakers/amp package
~60,000 miles
FSH

You can pick cab or coupe.

edh

2,857 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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You could have mine for £20k smile

Dammit

3,235 posts

156 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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If it's not currently listed for sale then Ras62 doesn't get to claim it when defending his assertion.

The other thing to bear in mind was that I had a limit of 15k to buy the car and get it to A1 condition - which now looks silly, but I thought it possible at the time.

So I was looking for all of the above list of attributes in a car for 15k or less.

ras62

969 posts

104 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Dammit, I take my hat off to you. You've managed to buy a rare Porsche for £9500. If only it had a salmon pink interior, a body kit or heated seats you would probably say it was unique!

Edited by ras62 on Thursday 11th May 12:39

Dammit

3,235 posts

156 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Ah, I'd forgotten about the heated seats- well done, you can add value to a conversation even if it is clearly inadvertent.

ATM

10,066 posts

167 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Dammit said:
Would you prefer me to use another term for "something of which there are few available"?

Have a look and let me know how many cars there are, in the UK, currently for sale that meet this criteria:

Amber indicator
Cable throttle
Dual row IMS
3 spoke steering wheel
Hard back sports seats
LSD
Extended leather
Door speakers/amp package
~60,000 miles
FSH

You can pick cab or coupe.
I'd want manual too and definitely not a cab. The one I bought doesn't have -

Hard back sports seats
LSD
Extended leather
Door speakers/amp package
~60,000 miles
FSH

Also the lights have been de-ambered which is a shame.

I've decided the LSD is only strictly necessary for -

donuts
giving it full beans from a standing start with any steering applied to the front wheels
relatively large throttle in the wet in 2nd exiting a tight bend


Dammit

3,235 posts

156 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Looks very nice, I think the 996.1 shape is better resolved than the 996.2 that came after, I also really like those wheels - although I would say that as I've just put a set on my car.

One of my conditions was indeed that it had to be a manual - I've clearly become forgetful in my old age.

LordHaveMurci

9,990 posts

117 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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ATM said:
I'd want manual too and definitely not a cab. The one I bought doesn't have -

Hard back sports seats
LSD
Extended leather
Door speakers/amp package
~60,000 miles
FSH

Also the lights have been de-ambered which is a shame.

I've decided the LSD is only strictly necessary for -

donuts
giving it full beans from a standing start with any steering applied to the front wheels
relatively large throttle in the wet in 2nd exiting a tight bend
Mine doesn't have LSD (to my knowledge anyway), in the 8yrs I have owned it & driven it in a spirited fashion I have never missed it. From what I've read they are highly unlikely to work properly at this age anyway.