what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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shalmaneser

5,936 posts

196 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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IanG1 said:
shalmaneser said:
Mine is a W reg and it has a dual row bearing and cable throttle.
When did the door air bags come in and is this related to MY and dual row and cable throttle.
My 98MY C2 has no door airbags? Noticed the car in question has door airbags.
Mine has door airbags, but cable frunk and engine cover releases. I think they were probably just using up inventory!

No C4 has cable throttle, and if you have traction control in a C2 then you have e-throttle too. For some odd reason if you specified a LSD from the factory you got TC also which means you get an e-throttle too. I think.

LennyM1984

641 posts

69 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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nunpuncher said:
Apparently my 205 isn't going to like the stuff (not a huge concern as it's usually broken). I believe it will actually run on it but the main issue is that it causes the fuel lines and fuel filter to fall apart. I'm sure someone will come up with a solution soon enough.
Yeah be super careful with that... We had an old VW Camper that had had the wrong fuel line fitted (it wasn't suitable for use with fuels containing X% ethanol) and it ended up spraying petrol onto the exhaust manifold. Next thing you know the van was on fire, the gas cylinder inside the van exploded, and the part of the house it was parked next to was doused in flames. Thankfully, the car we had used to jump start it 5 minutes earlier had been moved (usually we would have just left it running next to the van).

A lot of the fuel line being sold on ebay is coming from China and isn't suitable for modern petrol... above is how I know!

Chris Stott

13,403 posts

198 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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LennyM1984 said:
Yeah be super careful with that... We had an old VW Camper that had had the wrong fuel line fitted (it wasn't suitable for use with fuels containing X% ethanol) and it ended up spraying petrol onto the exhaust manifold. Next thing you know the van was on fire, the gas cylinder inside the van exploded, and the part of the house it was parked next to was doused in flames. Thankfully, the car we had used to jump start it 5 minutes earlier had been moved (usually we would have just left it running next to the van).

A lot of the fuel line being sold on ebay is coming from China and isn't suitable for modern petrol... above is how I know!
yikes

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Fast Bug said:
therealsamdailly said:
Thoughts on E10 fuel? Thought I'd pop this is here as there is a lot of general wisdom, I'm finding in difficult to identify exactly whats what

I always run higher octane fuel in my 996, and will continue do so as long as it's available, but if push came to shove, would it cause an issue?
It's put me right off buying a Carrera GT now as they won't run on it rolleyes
Oh no

What a turd


ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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LennyM1984 said:
nunpuncher said:
Apparently my 205 isn't going to like the stuff (not a huge concern as it's usually broken). I believe it will actually run on it but the main issue is that it causes the fuel lines and fuel filter to fall apart. I'm sure someone will come up with a solution soon enough.
Yeah be super careful with that... We had an old VW Camper that had had the wrong fuel line fitted (it wasn't suitable for use with fuels containing X% ethanol) and it ended up spraying petrol onto the exhaust manifold. Next thing you know the van was on fire, the gas cylinder inside the van exploded, and the part of the house it was parked next to was doused in flames. Thankfully, the car we had used to jump start it 5 minutes earlier had been moved (usually we would have just left it running next to the van).

A lot of the fuel line being sold on ebay is coming from China and isn't suitable for modern petrol... above is how I know!
I thought the premium 97 / 99 type fuels are ok right?

I use mainly Tesco 99 in all my cars unless its an absolute emergency.

shalmaneser

5,936 posts

196 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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ATM said:
LennyM1984 said:
nunpuncher said:
Apparently my 205 isn't going to like the stuff (not a huge concern as it's usually broken). I believe it will actually run on it but the main issue is that it causes the fuel lines and fuel filter to fall apart. I'm sure someone will come up with a solution soon enough.
Yeah be super careful with that... We had an old VW Camper that had had the wrong fuel line fitted (it wasn't suitable for use with fuels containing X% ethanol) and it ended up spraying petrol onto the exhaust manifold. Next thing you know the van was on fire, the gas cylinder inside the van exploded, and the part of the house it was parked next to was doused in flames. Thankfully, the car we had used to jump start it 5 minutes earlier had been moved (usually we would have just left it running next to the van).

A lot of the fuel line being sold on ebay is coming from China and isn't suitable for modern petrol... above is how I know!
I thought the premium 97 / 99 type fuels are ok right?

I use mainly Tesco 99 in all my cars unless its an absolute emergency.
Depends on the amount of ethanol. There is an E5 or E10 marking on the fuel pump which relates to the amount of ethanol in the fuel. Above 10 I think can be dodgy for old rubber lines and seals.



Ethanol is very resistant to knock which is desirable in higher octane fuels so more premium fuels might even have more ethanol.

jonny996

2,618 posts

218 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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nunpuncher said:
marky911 said:
Haha, get it up ye 964 and 993 owners.
I was just thinking that, the beards will not be happy with us pesky 996 upstart's...........

IanG1

225 posts

190 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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shalmaneser said:
Mine has door airbags, but cable frunk and engine cover releases. I think they were probably just using up inventory!

No C4 has cable throttle, and if you have traction control in a C2 then you have e-throttle too. For some odd reason if you specified a LSD from the factory you got TC also which means you get an e-throttle too. I think.
Not true I have an LSD and TC in my 98 C2 and its definitely cable throttle.

Edited by IanG1 on Friday 25th June 11:00

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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IanG1 said:
shalmaneser said:
Mine has door airbags, but cable frunk and engine cover releases. I think they were probably just using up inventory!

No C4 has cable throttle, and if you have traction control in a C2 then you have e-throttle too. For some odd reason if you specified a LSD from the factory you got TC also which means you get an e-throttle too. I think.
Not true I have an LSD and TC in my 98 C2 and its definitely cable throttle.

Edited by IanG1 on Friday 25th June 11:00
I think maybe there was a distinction between TC and PSM. PSM being much more nanny and having the eThrottle.

IanG1

225 posts

190 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Agreed, TC on the early cars just cuts the sparks so to speak nothing more complicated than that hence cable throttle still present. PSM much more complex.

nunpuncher

3,387 posts

126 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Really don't get the obsession with cable throttle. It feels no different.

CrunkleFloop

773 posts

246 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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ATM said:
IanG1 said:
shalmaneser said:
Mine has door airbags, but cable frunk and engine cover releases. I think they were probably just using up inventory!

No C4 has cable throttle, and if you have traction control in a C2 then you have e-throttle too. For some odd reason if you specified a LSD from the factory you got TC also which means you get an e-throttle too. I think.
Not true I have an LSD and TC in my 98 C2 and its definitely cable throttle.

Edited by IanG1 on Friday 25th June 11:00
I think maybe there was a distinction between TC and PSM. PSM being much more nanny and having the eThrottle.
Yes the TC was cable throttle however if you have PSM it's definitely e-Throttle

As a side note I was wondering how hard it would be to program automatic blips on downshift with an e-throttle car. Not that it's needed as it's dead easy to heel-and-toe with, just a random musing.

brake fader

254 posts

36 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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shalmaneser said:
IanG1 said:
shalmaneser said:
Mine is a W reg and it has a dual row bearing and cable throttle.
When did the door air bags come in and is this related to MY and dual row and cable throttle.
My 98MY C2 has no door airbags? Noticed the car in question has door airbags.
Mine has door airbags, but cable frunk and engine cover releases. I think they were probably just using up inventory!

No C4 has cable throttle, and if you have traction control in a C2 then you have e-throttle too. For some odd reason if you specified a LSD from the factory you got TC also which means you get an e-throttle too. I think.
Nah, mine has cable throttle and TC it's a 99 c2 cable frunk and dual row.

Filibuster

3,165 posts

216 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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ATM said:
IanG1 said:
shalmaneser said:
Mine has door airbags, but cable frunk and engine cover releases. I think they were probably just using up inventory!

No C4 has cable throttle, and if you have traction control in a C2 then you have e-throttle too. For some odd reason if you specified a LSD from the factory you got TC also which means you get an e-throttle too. I think.
Not true I have an LSD and TC in my 98 C2 and its definitely cable throttle.

Edited by IanG1 on Friday 25th June 11:00
I think maybe there was a distinction between TC and PSM. PSM being much more nanny and having the eThrottle.
TC is a simple anti slip traction control.
PSM is ESP and would not be possible without e-throttle.

TC = cable throttle
PSM = e-throttle

jonny996

2,618 posts

218 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Filibuster said:
TC = cable throttle
PSM = e-throttle
All C4 = e-throttle
And
All 996's = Greatness.
Added to your summery

shalmaneser

5,936 posts

196 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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nunpuncher said:
Really don't get the obsession with cable throttle. It feels no different.
I went from an e36 M3 (cable throttle) to e46 M3 and couldn't get on with the rev hang you get when coming off the gas when shifting, used to drive me nuts. I've since learned it's a emissions thing so maybe the 996 doesn't suffer from it but my fiancee's 987 does the rev hang thing. So it was a reaction to get away from that really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm6SSeLivqE

Interesting about the TC, spark cut is a pretty savage way of dealing with things! I don't think I've ever managed to break traction in the dry anyway, and TC wouldn't be much help if the back end lets go during a corner. I tried to do a wheelspin in the dry once and I just got a cloud of clutch smoke. I've got a new LSD fitted too so no one tyre fire for me!

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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nunpuncher said:
Really don't get the obsession with cable throttle. It feels no different.
Get out

Chris Stott

13,403 posts

198 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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nunpuncher said:
Really don't get the obsession with cable throttle. It feels no different.
Me either... a load of bks perpetuated by that arse driving god CMoose laugh

Fresh Prince

527 posts

173 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Chris Stott said:
nunpuncher said:
Really don't get the obsession with cable throttle. It feels no different.
Me either... a load of bks perpetuated by that arse driving god CMoose laugh
Well I cannot drive for toffee, and I was initially sceptical, but I find the difference with cable and non-cable throttle is as night and day.

Chris Stott

13,403 posts

198 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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In a 996?

How many of each type have you driven?