what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

[ATM]

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

RM said:

nunpuncher said:

It's the usual question of whether the CSR cars are worth the price. Under any other circumstances we'd all agree that £26k for a 996 with 160k+ on it's original engine is nuts. Do a set of KWs and some well measured (for the most part) cosmetic mods merit more than doubling the price of what is a £12k car? I think I'd look for the £12k car and spend some of the change on a new engine.

I think a set of KWs, suspension refresh, wheels, clutch, brakes, body repaint and a retrim (the last one being very subjective but does it for me, even if it is £4k, not £8k) could add up to or exceed £23k. The leggy engine and body kit are free! It would certainly cost more than £11k to do the same to a hypothetical £12k car.

Anyone here running coilovers? I've been looking at the likes of BC though, as KW are a bit too rich for me. That said, I already have Bilstein so some lower springs might suffice.

I have the harder KW Clubsport on mine which are actually for the 996 GT3 I believe. I cant find them listed for the vanilla C2. These ship with stiffer springs than the KW V3 and are more track oriented. Mine is rock hard. If you rock the car its the tyres which squish not the suspension. Not sure if you can see them lurking in here.

[Armut Schweinefleisch-911]

ATM said:

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

RM said:

nunpuncher said:

It's the usual question of whether the CSR cars are worth the price. Under any other circumstances we'd all agree that £26k for a 996 with 160k+ on it's original engine is nuts. Do a set of KWs and some well measured (for the most part) cosmetic mods merit more than doubling the price of what is a £12k car? I think I'd look for the £12k car and spend some of the change on a new engine.

I think a set of KWs, suspension refresh, wheels, clutch, brakes, body repaint and a retrim (the last one being very subjective but does it for me, even if it is £4k, not £8k) could add up to or exceed £23k. The leggy engine and body kit are free! It would certainly cost more than £11k to do the same to a hypothetical £12k car.

Anyone here running coilovers? I've been looking at the likes of BC though, as KW are a bit too rich for me. That said, I already have Bilstein so some lower springs might suffice.

I have the harder KW Clubsport on mine which are actually for the 996 GT3 I believe. I cant find them listed for the vanilla C2. These ship with stiffer springs than the KW V3 and are more track oriented. Mine is rock hard. If you rock the car its the tyres which squish not the suspension. Not sure if you can see them lurking in here.

I ran KW Clubsports on my E30 & E46 M3's and they were great. I don't want to drop my ride height by more than around 30 - 35mm which is why I was thinking H&R springs might suffice with the current Bilstein? I also want 7mm spacers for the front although the rears are just about perfect. The hope is to refresh the suspension over the coming winter and then head up to Spires for the geo' to be done. It's a fair old trek but there's nowhere in Cornwall who can do it.

[Fast Bug]

ATM said:

I have the harder KW Clubsport on mine which are actually for the 996 GT3 I believe. I cant find them listed for the vanilla C2. These ship with stiffer springs than the KW V3 and are more track oriented. Mine is rock hard. If you rock the car its the tyres which squish not the suspension. Not sure if you can see them lurking in here.

You've taken your small wheel obsession to another level there ATM

[BertBert]

My 997 GT3 came with KW clubsports on. It was far too hard for the road, even though the PO had put software springs on the rear than the standard KW rears.

[HughG]

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

I ran KW Clubsports on my E30 & E46 M3's and they were great. I don't want to drop my ride height by more than around 30 - 35mm which is why I was thinking H&R springs might suffice with the current Bilstein? I also want 7mm spacers for the front although the rears are just about perfect. The hope is to refresh the suspension over the coming winter and then head up to Spires for the geo' to be done. It's a fair old trek but there's nowhere in Cornwall who can do it.

You’ve got 997 Carrera 3 wheels haven’t you? If so the offsets are slightly different to standard 996, so the wheels 7mm more poke at the rear, and 7mm less poke at the front.

[Armut Schweinefleisch-911]

HughG said:

You’ve got 997 Carrera 3 wheels haven’t you? If so the offsets are slightly different to standard 996, so the wheels 7mm more poke at the rear, and 7mm less poke at the front.

No, I’ve got Bola aftermarket wheels.

[ATM]

HughG said:

Carrera 3 wheels have .. offsets .. slightly different to standard 996, so ... 7mm more poke at the rear, and 7mm less poke at the front.

Interesting

I didnt know this

[LaurasOtherHalf]

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106153...

[julian987R]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106153...

posted that yesterday. not a patch on this one which is, hands down, the most stunning 996 ever, of any 996 ever.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12029433

[LaurasOtherHalf]

julian987R said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106153...

posted that yesterday. not a patch on this one which is, hands down, the most stunning 996 ever, of any 996 ever.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12029433

Sorry missed the last page. Horses for courses but that Zenith car looks an utter dog's dinner of a thing to me.

[julian987R]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

julian987R said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106153...

posted that yesterday. not a patch on this one which is, hands down, the most stunning 996 ever, of any 996 ever.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12029433

Sorry missed the last page. Horses for courses but that Zenith car looks an utter dog's dinner of a thing to me.

Yep we cant all like the same things, would be boring and too easy otherwise. what don't you like about it as i am aiming to see it and buy it this weekend.

[HughG]

I don’t like the unevenness of the black and white fabric, I find it trippy. Houndstooth is nice, but that doesn’t work for me. Otherwise I think it’s gorgeous.

[ATM]

julian987R said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

julian987R said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106153...

posted that yesterday. not a patch on this one which is, hands down, the most stunning 996 ever, of any 996 ever.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12029433

Sorry missed the last page. Horses for courses but that Zenith car looks an utter dog's dinner of a thing to me.

Yep we cant all like the same things, would be boring and too easy otherwise. what don't you like about it as i am aiming to see it and buy it this weekend.

I'm pretty undecided between the 2. I keep going back and forth. I'd be driving both. Unless you're buying based on colour in which case the blue one wins. I bought the first one I drove and I wish now I'd tried a few but they're hard cars to find. My new 986 is such a nicer car to drive as the brakes and clutch feel so different. I've been torn for a while now what to do with my 996. I either start spending on stuff or buy a different car.

[nunpuncher]

RM said:

nunpuncher said:

It's the usual question of whether the CSR cars are worth the price. Under any other circumstances we'd all agree that £26k for a 996 with 160k+ on it's original engine is nuts. Do a set of KWs and some well measured (for the most part) cosmetic mods merit more than doubling the price of what is a £12k car? I think I'd look for the £12k car and spend some of the change on a new engine.

I think a set of KWs, suspension refresh, wheels, clutch, brakes, body repaint and a retrim (the last one being very subjective but does it for me, even if it is £4k, not £8k) could add up to or exceed £23k. The leggy engine and body kit are free! It would certainly cost more than £11k to do the same to a hypothetical £12k car.

My car has half the miles, I've done most of that work ie all suspension arms, ARB bushes, clutch, rebuilt callipers, coilovers, radiators, low temp thermostat, water pump, all brake lines replaced, power steering lines replaced, ignition coils, spark plugs, new Dansk silencers... + whole load of other stuff which I forget. I also replaced the crappy OE seats with 997 seats retrimmed in Pepita houndstooth cloth from Carbone and did the Boxster console delete for more retro-ness and it's not cost me £23k even including the £14k I paid for the car.

A CSR with a unique engine is worth the money but I just don't see the value when even an idiot like me can tart up a regular car for nowhere near what they think the effort is worth.

[RM]

nunpuncher said:

RM said:

nunpuncher said:

It's the usual question of whether the CSR cars are worth the price. Under any other circumstances we'd all agree that £26k for a 996 with 160k+ on it's original engine is nuts. Do a set of KWs and some well measured (for the most part) cosmetic mods merit more than doubling the price of what is a £12k car? I think I'd look for the £12k car and spend some of the change on a new engine.

I think a set of KWs, suspension refresh, wheels, clutch, brakes, body repaint and a retrim (the last one being very subjective but does it for me, even if it is £4k, not £8k) could add up to or exceed £23k. The leggy engine and body kit are free! It would certainly cost more than £11k to do the same to a hypothetical £12k car.

My car has half the miles, I've done most of that work ie all suspension arms, ARB bushes, clutch, rebuilt callipers, coilovers, radiators, low temp thermostat, water pump, all brake lines replaced, power steering lines replaced, ignition coils, spark plugs, new Dansk silencers... + whole load of other stuff which I forget. I also replaced the crappy OE seats with 997 seats retrimmed in Pepita houndstooth cloth from Carbone and did the Boxster console delete for more retro-ness and it's not cost me £23k even including the £14k I paid for the car.

A CSR with a unique engine is worth the money but I just don't see the value when even an idiot like me can tart up a regular car for nowhere near what they think the effort is worth.

Your car sounds great, much what I plan including some Carbone seat inserts and gearstick. Do you have any photos? Would love to see them. I do think you underestimate your abilities though, I fear I will be paying someone to do the majority of the work.

[Armut Schweinefleisch-911]

RM said:

nunpuncher said:

RM said:

nunpuncher said:

It's the usual question of whether the CSR cars are worth the price. Under any other circumstances we'd all agree that £26k for a 996 with 160k+ on it's original engine is nuts. Do a set of KWs and some well measured (for the most part) cosmetic mods merit more than doubling the price of what is a £12k car? I think I'd look for the £12k car and spend some of the change on a new engine.

I think a set of KWs, suspension refresh, wheels, clutch, brakes, body repaint and a retrim (the last one being very subjective but does it for me, even if it is £4k, not £8k) could add up to or exceed £23k. The leggy engine and body kit are free! It would certainly cost more than £11k to do the same to a hypothetical £12k car.

My car has half the miles, I've done most of that work ie all suspension arms, ARB bushes, clutch, rebuilt callipers, coilovers, radiators, low temp thermostat, water pump, all brake lines replaced, power steering lines replaced, ignition coils, spark plugs, new Dansk silencers... + whole load of other stuff which I forget. I also replaced the crappy OE seats with 997 seats retrimmed in Pepita houndstooth cloth from Carbone and did the Boxster console delete for more retro-ness and it's not cost me £23k even including the £14k I paid for the car.

A CSR with a unique engine is worth the money but I just don't see the value when even an idiot like me can tart up a regular car for nowhere near what they think the effort is worth.

Your car sounds great, much what I plan including some Carbone seat inserts and gearstick. Do you have any photos? Would love to see them. I do think you underestimate your abilities though, I fear I will be paying someone to do the majority of the work.

+1 please.

[nunpuncher]

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

Anyone here running coilovers? I've been looking at the likes of BC though, as KW are a bit too rich for me. That said, I already have Bilstein so some lower springs might suffice.

I have BC coilovers. They are decent for the price. Not the smoothest of rides but they hold their own on a car driven by a mere mortal on public roads and 18 months after fitting they still look in good condition.

I have no experience of the likes of KWs or Ohlin's on a 996 but have co-piloted a friends 996 with Bilstein coilovers and never thought it felt £2k better in terms of ride quality.

[Slippydiff]

julian987R said:

Yep we cant all like the same things, would be boring and too easy otherwise. what don't you like about it as i am aiming to see it and buy it this weekend.

The back bumper for start, and that centre exit exhaust I've got a standard bumper to replace it with (but it's got some filler in it, so I'm pretty sure you'd be averse to fitting it)

Anyway, it doesn't matter what LoH, I or indeed anyone else thinks of it, get it bought and enjoy it Julian !!

[Armut Schweinefleisch-911]

nunpuncher said:

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

Anyone here running coilovers? I've been looking at the likes of BC though, as KW are a bit too rich for me. That said, I already have Bilstein so some lower springs might suffice.

I have BC coilovers. They are decent for the price. Not the smoothest of rides but they hold their own on a car driven by a mere mortal on public roads and 18 months after fitting they still look in good condition.

Thanks for that. I might give them a go myself. They certainly seem decent enough at their price point. I'm a way off getting any yet though anyway, so might keep an eye out for used that I can then rebuild to my chosen spec.

[Huntsman]

Slippydiff said:

and that centre exit exhaust

I love it.