what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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Hoofy

76,358 posts

282 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Richard-cqpvd said:
Just done an oil change on my 996 3.4 today and did the filter roulette moment when I opened it up to check for debris, all clear thankfully, but this gave me nearly as much of an adrenaline shot as driving the thing!
rofl

If it's at that point isn't it already too late? Or can you get noticeable fragments that are so small that it means you can still drive around just fine without noticing the IMS bearing has gone? I was under the impression, it would be fine until it isn't and then you will need a tow.

Richard-cqpvd

29 posts

61 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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I guess so for the IMS but the absence of anything else is always a good result 😁

shalmaneser

5,934 posts

195 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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ATM said:
crxdave said:
MrC986 said:
I was mooching in the PH classifieds (as you do) & saw the following ad
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12661735

Not only 130k miles on a manual Carrera with aerokit, but a CAT D car & they are asking £15,995!!....I know values have risen in the last 18 months, but.....
Where would we pitch this one value-wise?

I'm tempted to go take a look, as its local... Wonder if there's any evidence of the previous damage/repair, and also it reads as though the first 9 years of service history are missing?
Oil filler cap is missing - see below

If it was Cat D it could have been something very minor as I believe more major claims were Cat C but I'm not sure how you would assess the validity of any story about this presented now by a seller.

All old cars like this could have been damaged and repaired and not listed as Cat anything so you need to do your checks all the same. If it looks sound you could get a discount for nothing too serious. But dont forget, the more jaded enthusiasts among us believe only one thing, there is no such thing as a cheep Porsche.

It will run like st without the oil cap installed, easy fix though! Doesn't speak of an attentive owner however....

Hoofy

76,358 posts

282 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Richard-cqpvd said:
I guess so for the IMS but the absence of anything else is always a good result ??
Fair enough. smile

Hoofy

76,358 posts

282 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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Hoofy said:
The only reason for heavy steering is that it's pissed out all the power steering fluid, which at the very minimum means it will need a new pump. Plus of course finding & fixing the leak. But, even allowing a grand (or two, depending) for that, and the fact that it's a moderately leggy tip, 10k seems excessively cheap to me. What else is wrong with it?

nebpor

3,753 posts

235 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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Plus no such thing as a trade sale if to the public - obviously you can’t then say the steering doesn’t work, but the rest of it has to

Nice that the auto box has had work, if an invoice is available for inspection

Hoofy

76,358 posts

282 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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deckster said:
The only reason for heavy steering is that it's pissed out all the power steering fluid, which at the very minimum means it will need a new pump. Plus of course finding & fixing the leak. But, even allowing a grand (or two, depending) for that, and the fact that it's a moderately leggy tip, 10k seems excessively cheap to me. What else is wrong with it?
Could you drive it without PAS?

My old Chimaera didn't have PAS.

ATM

18,287 posts

219 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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Hoofy said:
Could you drive it without PAS?

My old Chimaera didn't have PAS.
Driving a car without PAS and driving a car with PAS which is broke are very different things.

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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Hoofy said:
deckster said:
The only reason for heavy steering is that it's pissed out all the power steering fluid, which at the very minimum means it will need a new pump. Plus of course finding & fixing the leak. But, even allowing a grand (or two, depending) for that, and the fact that it's a moderately leggy tip, 10k seems excessively cheap to me. What else is wrong with it?
Could you drive it without PAS?

My old Chimaera didn't have PAS.
When mine went it was all I could do to get the car from the motorway (where I'd noticed it felt a bit weird) to my driveway, a couple of miles from the junction. It was way heavier than a car which is designed without PAS from the ground up. I certainly wouldn't have liked to drive it any distance.

Hoofy

76,358 posts

282 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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Ah ok!

Baked_bean

1,908 posts

192 months

Friday 7th January 2022
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I had a PAS failure on my old Z4 and it became pretty much undriveable.

I’m good news, my 996 passed it’s MOT without advisories yesterday, managed just under 4000 miles. I had to replace front ARB bushes in advance which was typically the only suspension part I had neglected to change in the past year!

Edited by Baked_bean on Friday 7th January 06:46

allatsea

103 posts

145 months

Friday 7th January 2022
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deckster said:
Hoofy said:
deckster said:
The only reason for heavy steering is that it's pissed out all the power steering fluid, which at the very minimum means it will need a new pump. Plus of course finding & fixing the leak. But, even allowing a grand (or two, depending) for that, and the fact that it's a moderately leggy tip, 10k seems excessively cheap to me. What else is wrong with it?
Could you drive it without PAS?

My old Chimaera didn't have PAS.
When mine went it was all I could do to get the car from the motorway (where I'd noticed it felt a bit weird) to my driveway, a couple of miles from the junction. It was way heavier than a car which is designed without PAS from the ground up. I certainly wouldn't have liked to drive it any distance.
Agree drivable, but pretty dreadful; there's a weak point in the system behind the O/S front wheel, small ferrule degrades/splits and the PAS pipe blows off, loses all the fluid and 'no PAS'. Quick fix with a jubilee clip or two, re fluid (needs to be the right sort) and away you go.

nunpuncher

3,384 posts

125 months

Friday 7th January 2022
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The crimp fitting is definitely the most common leak point. Unfortunately if it's leaking so bad that all the fluid has gone then it's unlikely the jubilee clip will help. And if it's been ran for any time without any fluid in the system then the pump will be gubbed.

The hard lines also go on the rack, mine spontaneously disintegrated last year. It's a time consuming job where you need to strip a lot of the front running gear but the lines are only about £60. The hydraulic lines and pump aren't cheap if they've gone and although you can get a used or reconditioned rack for a decent price I believe getting the old lines off is nigh on impossible thanks to Porsches obsession with steel fittings in aluminium.

nunpuncher

3,384 posts

125 months

Friday 7th January 2022
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ATM said:
Fast Bug said:
The standard seats are awful, mine has them and they're not comfy or supportive. I should keep an eye out for dome sports seats for mine
You need 997 seats. Trust me. They're brilliant.

Amen to that. 997 seats have made a massive difference for me. I previously had 996 tombstones and sports seats and both are crap. They're basically identical only the sports seats have wider shoulders. Other than that it's the same unsupportive base and backrest that's not designed for a human spine.

Fast Bug

11,688 posts

161 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Booked my old nail in for a service with my indi earlier. Said I wanted to have a chat with him about getting some other stuff done in a few months as the clutch is going, it seems a little slow to crank so assuming y cable is on it's way out and might as well do manifolds whilst he's at it. He suggested doing the brake line that goes over the box and whilst he's at it he may as well send the motor off to Hartech for a 3.7 conversion. I mean, how easily led does he think I am?

Unrelated, anyone want to buy a kidney?

shalmaneser

5,934 posts

195 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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I agree with your man, you may as well just pop some big pistons in there while you're there. It's probably cheaper long term.

crxdave

157 posts

160 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Anyone thinking of selling up soon? Looking for an early 996, the usual spec: manual, coupe, aerokit if possible...smile

Fast Bug

11,688 posts

161 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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shalmaneser said:
I agree with your man, you may as well just pop some big pistons in there while you're there. It's probably cheaper long term.
May as well chuck a turbo on there and a squirt of nitrous for good measure laugh

delays

786 posts

215 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Similarly booked into a local indi for the end of the month.

Service, MoT and “anything else”.