what is an 'early' 3.4 996?
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I think it should be "in" not "on". With a roof rack and a roof box, it can become a bit easier. But having things like a ladder in the boot (foldable!) or a TV in the cabin certainly makes the purchase quite practical. I managed to fit 12 gym floor tiles in the parcel shelf area plus a week's shopping in the boot and still had space for a passenger or a set of golf clubs.
Slippydiff said:
I'm very doubtful, VC+ needs FBW throttle as I understood it, along with a shed load more processing power than the 3.4 DME can provide.
A stock Mk1 3.4 inlet has only one resonance flap in its intake manifold/plenum IIRC ? Does the Mk2 3.6 have 2 to optimise the efficiency of VC+ ? If it does, I'd say you're into a standalone ECU to run the engine, along with all the integration issues that come with running the car's dash and security via its (the Mk2) more complex canbus system. Though if you're going to run ITB's, it simplifies things somewhat.
Reading between the lines, getting the 991 engine in Jethro Bov’s 996 C2 chassis was a pain to make work, for all the reasons I've mentioned. It's why the 997 Cup engine option I agreed to, looked so appealing (no VC, cable throttle etc etc) for the ZanziCup, but the reality was, and despite Wayne's genius, it still brought rather too many compromises with regards to drivability for me.
Yes, I agree. That's why I'm fitting a Syvecs ECU to my car, despite retaining the cable throttle (albeit operating six ITB's rather than the stock arrangement).A stock Mk1 3.4 inlet has only one resonance flap in its intake manifold/plenum IIRC ? Does the Mk2 3.6 have 2 to optimise the efficiency of VC+ ? If it does, I'd say you're into a standalone ECU to run the engine, along with all the integration issues that come with running the car's dash and security via its (the Mk2) more complex canbus system. Though if you're going to run ITB's, it simplifies things somewhat.
Reading between the lines, getting the 991 engine in Jethro Bov’s 996 C2 chassis was a pain to make work, for all the reasons I've mentioned. It's why the 997 Cup engine option I agreed to, looked so appealing (no VC, cable throttle etc etc) for the ZanziCup, but the reality was, and despite Wayne's genius, it still brought rather too many compromises with regards to drivability for me.
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 17th January 21:37
The integration work is simpler on the older stuff - for example my cruise control is a completely separate system (is my understanding) that operates my pulling on the throttle in response to a speed signal. By retaining the cable throttle I should (!) be able to retain cruise control because as far as it's concerned nothing has changed, despite the Porsche DME no longer controlling the engine.
Slippydiff said:
Dammit said:
Stock the 3.6 head will flow a lot more air, and with a 100mm bore will give you 3.9 litres. There's a lot to like there.
I'm unsure whether the 3.4 DME would run the VarioCam+, which would mean that you'd need to address that in order to realise a lot of the benefit.
Our 3.9 uses a 3.6 bottom end with modified 3.4 heads.
I'm very doubtful, VC+ needs FBW throttle as I understood it, along with a shed load more processing power than the 3.4 DME can provide.I'm unsure whether the 3.4 DME would run the VarioCam+, which would mean that you'd need to address that in order to realise a lot of the benefit.
Our 3.9 uses a 3.6 bottom end with modified 3.4 heads.
A stock Mk1 3.4 inlet has only one resonance flap in its intake manifold/plenum IIRC ? Does the Mk2 3.6 have 2 to optimise the efficiency of VC+ ? If it does, I'd say you're into a standalone ECU to run the engine, along with all the integration issues that come with running the car's dash and security via its (the Mk2) more complex canbus system. Though if you're going to run ITB's, it simplifies things somewhat.
Reading between the lines, getting the 991 engine in Jethro Bov’s 996 C2 chassis was a pain to make work, for all the reasons I've mentioned. It's why the 997 Cup engine option I agreed to, looked so appealing (no VC, cable throttle etc etc) for the ZanziCup, but the reality was, and despite Wayne's genius, it still brought rather too many compromises with regards to drivability for me.
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 17th January 21:37
crxdave said:
Anyone thinking of selling up soon? Looking for an early 996, the usual spec: manual, coupe, aerokit if possible...
I have one that i am going to be listing soon. I was thinking of maybe going down the Collecting Cars route, undecided as of yet. Basics are 2000 C2, 68k miles, aero kit was put on by supplying dealer when brand new. Have the original receipt for the kit being fitted.
Was a Porsche Belfast car when new and has had 4 local owners before me, all of which have their names and addresses in the book pack. The history with it is great, the previous owner even detailed things like greasing door hinges. One service book fully stamped, first few were by Porsche, then the local Porsche specialist Alan McGookin at AMG cars.
Was totally standard when i got it except for a small Raid airbag steering wheel which previous owner fitted due to being tall and his knees catching the original one. I've done a fair bit to it, most of which is reversible as have the standard parts still.
Quick spec: GT3 replica carbon buckets, red front seatbelts, Momo Mod.07 steering wheel, GT3 centre console delete, Continental OEM look DAB head unit, H&R antiroll bars front and rear, FVD baffled sump, RSS engine mounts, 997.2 GT3 gear shift mechanism, full Topgear stainless exhaust inc manifolds, sports cats, low temp thermostat, air inlet hose and resonator delete.
Work done recently: 4 x coffin arms, 2 x front shocks and top mounts, 2 x coil packs, fan resistor.
I bought the car from Porsche Belfast and all work was done under the warranty they provided me when i got the car and was carried out by McMillan Specialist cars, the other Porsche specialist over here.
Thanks, mods aren't always for everyone, but i wanted to make it my own and a bit more enjoyable to drive. I did keep the standard parts though in case next owner doesn't agree with them.
Some of them were done to take it on track, like the baffled sump, but reality is i did one track day and even then i wasn't pushing that hard. Bought a Clio 200 after that as was more suited to track work.
Just checked and i bought it from Porsche with 64k miles and its just under 68k miles now. I work away a lot, plus have other cars so just haven't used it as much as i would have liked.
Price wise, is early 20s a good price point to pitch it at? I really don't know. I've watched the ones on Collecting Cars that have sold, and even the ones which didn't make reserve and thought i would stick it up for in and around that.
The IMS hasn't been done, not sure how much that is worth when selling? For me it didn't bother me, i sent an oil sample to Millers when i got it which was all good, and i plan to do same again next week once i get home from work here. Plus will stick it into Porsche for a service before sale.
Some of them were done to take it on track, like the baffled sump, but reality is i did one track day and even then i wasn't pushing that hard. Bought a Clio 200 after that as was more suited to track work.
Just checked and i bought it from Porsche with 64k miles and its just under 68k miles now. I work away a lot, plus have other cars so just haven't used it as much as i would have liked.
Price wise, is early 20s a good price point to pitch it at? I really don't know. I've watched the ones on Collecting Cars that have sold, and even the ones which didn't make reserve and thought i would stick it up for in and around that.
The IMS hasn't been done, not sure how much that is worth when selling? For me it didn't bother me, i sent an oil sample to Millers when i got it which was all good, and i plan to do same again next week once i get home from work here. Plus will stick it into Porsche for a service before sale.
absolutely love it Gav....... and considering the money high mileage ones have been fetching recently - this would be an awesome buy !!
if it was red, despite having no need for it... i'd likely buy it and stash it somewhere... i adore the lines of a kitted 996, an dthis has lovely tasteful mods
if it was red, despite having no need for it... i'd likely buy it and stash it somewhere... i adore the lines of a kitted 996, an dthis has lovely tasteful mods
Gav525, I suggest you post on the 911uk forum as there are normally a few people looking for aerokit 996s & they can prefer buying privately where a car has good history & is honestly described & well photographed. I know when I bought my aerokit car about 4.5 yrs ago (a manual C4) there were very few around & even though it's winter currently, there are likely to be a few motivated buyers just waiting for the right car to come along.
PS I've linked this with the 911uk forum guys/girls for you Gave
PS I've linked this with the 911uk forum guys/girls for you Gave
Edited by MrC986 on Wednesday 19th January 19:59
That's beautiful, GLWS!!!
gav525 said:
I have one that i am going to be listing soon. I was thinking of maybe going down the Collecting Cars route, undecided as of yet.
Basics are 2000 C2, 68k miles, aero kit was put on by supplying dealer when brand new. Have the original receipt for the kit being fitted.
Was a Porsche Belfast car when new and has had 4 local owners before me, all of which have their names and addresses in the book pack. The history with it is great, the previous owner even detailed things like greasing door hinges. One service book fully stamped, first few were by Porsche, then the local Porsche specialist Alan McGookin at AMG cars.
Was totally standard when i got it except for a small Raid airbag steering wheel which previous owner fitted due to being tall and his knees catching the original one. I've done a fair bit to it, most of which is reversible as have the standard parts still.
Quick spec: GT3 replica carbon buckets, red front seatbelts, Momo Mod.07 steering wheel, GT3 centre console delete, Continental OEM look DAB head unit, H&R antiroll bars front and rear, FVD baffled sump, RSS engine mounts, 997.2 GT3 gear shift mechanism, full Topgear stainless exhaust inc manifolds, sports cats, low temp thermostat, air inlet hose and resonator delete.
Work done recently: 4 x coffin arms, 2 x front shocks and top mounts, 2 x coil packs, fan resistor.
I bought the car from Porsche Belfast and all work was done under the warranty they provided me when i got the car and was carried out by McMillan Specialist cars, the other Porsche specialist over here.
Basics are 2000 C2, 68k miles, aero kit was put on by supplying dealer when brand new. Have the original receipt for the kit being fitted.
Was a Porsche Belfast car when new and has had 4 local owners before me, all of which have their names and addresses in the book pack. The history with it is great, the previous owner even detailed things like greasing door hinges. One service book fully stamped, first few were by Porsche, then the local Porsche specialist Alan McGookin at AMG cars.
Was totally standard when i got it except for a small Raid airbag steering wheel which previous owner fitted due to being tall and his knees catching the original one. I've done a fair bit to it, most of which is reversible as have the standard parts still.
Quick spec: GT3 replica carbon buckets, red front seatbelts, Momo Mod.07 steering wheel, GT3 centre console delete, Continental OEM look DAB head unit, H&R antiroll bars front and rear, FVD baffled sump, RSS engine mounts, 997.2 GT3 gear shift mechanism, full Topgear stainless exhaust inc manifolds, sports cats, low temp thermostat, air inlet hose and resonator delete.
Work done recently: 4 x coffin arms, 2 x front shocks and top mounts, 2 x coil packs, fan resistor.
I bought the car from Porsche Belfast and all work was done under the warranty they provided me when i got the car and was carried out by McMillan Specialist cars, the other Porsche specialist over here.
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