what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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ATM

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167 months

Thursday 14th November
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These cars look great on 17's if you ask me. You can get Fuchs in 17 too. I know I'm in the minority here but these early cars were probably designed 23 years ago when 18 wheels just didn't exist or were very very new. Hang on my car is 22 years old in a couple of months so make that 24 years ago or maybe even 25 years. My car is very very low so perhaps alters the perspective but none the less tyre I think a smaller wheel is much more retro. I used to get women throwing themselves at me when I had 18 inch wheels on this car and it got boring after a bit. Since the switch to 17 inch it's not happened once. I can now just drive around undisturbed.


Slippydiff

10,664 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th November
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ATM said:
These cars look great on 17's if you ask me. You can get Fuchs in 17 too. I know I'm in the minority here but these early cars were probably designed 23 years ago when 18 wheels just didn't exist or were very very new. Hang on my car is 22 years old in a couple of months so make that 24 years ago or maybe even 25 years. My car is very very low so perhaps alters the perspective but none the less tyre I think a smaller wheel is much more retro. I used to get women throwing themselves at me when I had 18 inch wheels on this car and it got boring after a bit. Since the switch to 17 inch it's not happened once. I can now just drive around undisturbed.

scratchchin

The 993 RS came with 18” wheels (not forgetting they came as standard on the 993 Turbo too) and subsequently on the 996 Turbo and 996 GT3.

By the time the 996 was conceived 18” wheels were pretty much de rigeur on it.



Filibuster

1,232 posts

163 months

Thursday 14th November
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I too prefer 18" wheels on the 996/7, I have to admit.

A retro themed 996/7 with 17" works, but otherwise I consider 18" wheels to be the minimum for these cars, imho.
I have the 19" Sport Design wheels (came as par of the sports pack with -20mm and lsd) on my 997 during summer and 18" Carrera IV (I think) wheels in winter.
Yes, the ride on 18" winter tires is smoother, and the 18" Carrera IV suit the car very well, but then again, so do the 19" Sport Design biggrin

Also 18" wheels where already a thing in the mid 90's. Even my fathers P1 V70R came with 18" wheels at the end of the old millenium.

Horses for courses, I guess.

Filibuster

1,232 posts

163 months

Thursday 14th November
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summer time


winter time

I have fitted H&R spacers (20mm front axle; 30mm rear axle) in the meantime...
Will change to winter tires the next week biggrin

cmoose

45,312 posts

177 months

Thursday 14th November
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997 Carreras drive far better on the 18s than the 19s if you ask me. 996s a lot nicer on 17s. My old 987C was just so much sweeter to drive on 17s than 18s, it really was remarkable.

Wish they’d put the 997 GT3 on 18s! Big wheels just fk everything up!

They do look sexy up to a point, but just so ruinous to feedback, feel, ride etc. Ferrari did a one off customer car recently with smaller wheels with some sidewall and it looked fab. Partly down to how the wheel arches are cut. 9x7 cut a bit bigger so visually needs 18s but I think 9x6 looks best on 17s.

ATM

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167 months

Thursday 14th November
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Slippydiff said:
ATM said:
These cars look great on 17's if you ask me. You can get Fuchs in 17 too. I know I'm in the minority here but these early cars were probably designed 23 years ago when 18 wheels just didn't exist or were very very new. Hang on my car is 22 years old in a couple of months so make that 24 years ago or maybe even 25 years. My car is very very low so perhaps alters the perspective but none the less tyre I think a smaller wheel is much more retro. I used to get women throwing themselves at me when I had 18 inch wheels on this car and it got boring after a bit. Since the switch to 17 inch it's not happened once. I can now just drive around undisturbed.

scratchchin

The 993 RS came with 18” wheels (not forgetting they came as standard on the 993 Turbo too) and subsequently on the 996 Turbo and 996 GT3.

By the time the 996 was conceived 18” wheels were pretty much de rigeur on it.
Ok maybe they existed 23 years ago - you got me - but 25 years ago?

I do wander when the 996 was first designed. The early cars were made in 1997 so they were probably designed in 1995 or 1994 maybe. The 993 Turbo was launched in 1995 so I might have almost been right. I'd imagine the vanilla cars were designed with 17 wheels but that's just me.

Less is more and all that.

V8fan

2,547 posts

216 months

Thursday 14th November
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From wiki:

'The Porsche 996 was a new design developed by Pinky Lai under Porsche design chief Harm Lagaay from 1992 to 1994; it was the first 911 that was completely redesigned, and carried over little from its predecessor as Porsche wanted the design team to design a 911 for the next millennium. Featuring an all new body work, interior, and the first water-cooled engine, the 996 replaced the 993 from which only the front suspension, rear multi-link suspension, and a 6-speed manual transmission were retained in revised form.'

So they were designing the 996 as the 993 was only just entering production. It probably took so long to reach production because that was the time the 986 Boxster was conceived, to "save Porsche" as is often quoted.

ATM

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167 months

Thursday 14th November
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V8fan said:
From wiki:

'The Porsche 996 was a new design developed by Pinky Lai under Porsche design chief Harm Lagaay from 1992 to 1994; it was the first 911 that was completely redesigned, and carried over little from its predecessor as Porsche wanted the design team to design a 911 for the next millennium. Featuring an all new body work, interior, and the first water-cooled engine, the 996 replaced the 993 from which only the front suspension, rear multi-link suspension, and a 6-speed manual transmission were retained in revised form.'

So they were designing the 996 as the 993 was only just entering production. It probably took so long to reach production because that was the time the 986 Boxster was conceived, to "save Porsche" as is often quoted.
Thanks V8fan. I'm not sure who this Slippydiff joker thinks he is.....

I do know the early Boxsters were designed to run on 17 inch only and there was some scare mongering going on about 18 inch wheels breaking the chassis or some such madness.

Fast Bug

7,569 posts

109 months

Thursday 14th November
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ATM said:
I do know the early Boxsters were designed to run on 17 inch only and there was some scare mongering going on about 18 inch wheels breaking the chassis or some such madness.
That's the first I've ever heard of that! I spent a few years selling Porsche (later than early Boxster, but still 986), and nobody ever mentioned that to me?

ATM

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167 months

Thursday 14th November
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Fast Bug said:
ATM said:
I do know the early Boxsters were designed to run on 17 inch only and there was some scare mongering going on about 18 inch wheels breaking the chassis or some such madness.
That's the first I've ever heard of that! I spent a few years selling Porsche (later than early Boxster, but still 986), and nobody ever mentioned that to me?
Quick Google

TSB #4407, dated March 4, 1997: " Eighteen inch wheels are not approved for use on Boxsters. Use of eighteen inch wheels on Boxsters under severe conditions may result in structural failures of the body and/or suspension".

cmoose

45,312 posts

177 months

Thursday 14th November
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Very early 986 2.5 definitely not offered on 18s.

As far as I am aware, all the suspension arms went unchanged right through to 2004 on the 986, but I think there were some mods to the rear mounting points or similar to reinforce for 18s. Must have been a rear axle thing as the front half of the whole car virtually identical to the 996.


986s are pretty horrid on 18s, if you ask me. Never actually driven a 986 on the base 16s, bet it's rather lovely.

Slippydiff

10,664 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th November
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ATM said:
Thanks V8fan. I'm not sure who this Slippydiff joker thinks he is.....

I do know the early Boxsters were designed to run on 17 inch only and there was some scare mongering going on about 18 inch wheels breaking the chassis or some such madness.
hehe

I wasn’t contesting when the 996 was conceived, more your comments that 18” wheels didn’t exist or were so new as to be all but unobtainable at that time smile

Even the later iterations of the 964 Turbo (965) could be had on 18” wheels, so by the time the 993 Turbo was rolled out, it would be a given it would do so on 18”s.

As Jeremy says, some cars are suited to balloonesque tyres. Think the early Ferrari 308, 2.7 RS etc.

Personally a 996 on 17’s doesn’t float my boat, as their wheel arches tend to look better filled with more wheel and less tyre sidewall, but by the same token, a 996 on 19”s just looks “wrong” IMO.

Aesthetically (if not dynamically) 18s are the 996 sweet spot.

This 911 UK’ers car on 18”s looks pretty much perfect.



If it’s sidewall compliance folk are chasing, I’d go for 18” Continentals, Goodyear’s or Pirelli’s, rather than the stiffer sidewalled offerings from Michelin or Bridgestone.

cmoose

45,312 posts

177 months

Thursday 14th November
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Surely not a flattering pic, but whatever!

Somewhat O/T, this is the one-off Donk with some sidewall:




Same car with stupido fashion wheels:



Also think Porsche's racers on 18s instead of 20+ look pretty hot.

GT4 on 18s:



991.2 Cup on 18s:



I bet a 996 GT3 would be quite a bit more fun as a road car on 17s.







Fast Bug

7,569 posts

109 months

Thursday 14th November
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ATM said:
Fast Bug said:
ATM said:
I do know the early Boxsters were designed to run on 17 inch only and there was some scare mongering going on about 18 inch wheels breaking the chassis or some such madness.
That's the first I've ever heard of that! I spent a few years selling Porsche (later than early Boxster, but still 986), and nobody ever mentioned that to me?
Quick Google

TSB #4407, dated March 4, 1997: " Eighteen inch wheels are not approved for use on Boxsters. Use of eighteen inch wheels on Boxsters under severe conditions may result in structural failures of the body and/or suspension".
Every day is a school day! Considering Porsche's love of upselling on options, that was a massive oversight laugh

P5BNij

4,517 posts

54 months

Thursday 14th November
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cmoose said:
Surely not a flattering pic, but whatever!

Somewhat O/T, this is the one-off Donk with some sidewall:




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I bet a 996 GT3 would be quite a bit more fun as a road car on 17s.

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To my biased eyes the deeper side wall on those tyres look bang on!

I've STILL not driven a 996, I really must get around to it some day. I had a very brief look at one for sale in Warwick at the beginning of last year and didn't have time for a test drive, but even just sitting in it gave me a sense of the solidity of its design and build quality. My biggest problem by far is that I like too many other cars, particularly the Italian stuff from different eras.



Slippydiff

10,664 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th November
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cmoose said:
Surely not a flattering pic, but whatever !
Surely an utterly pointless comment, but whatever !

P5BNij

4,517 posts

54 months

Thursday 14th November
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richthebike said:
P5BNij said:
That's a cracker - what size are the Fuchs please and where did you get them...?
Thanks. Matt at Porschacare sourced them for me.
They're 18s. Need to check to remind myself of width/offset but they take a standard tyre.
Thanks Rich, duly noted for future reference wink

I've seen the odd few 996s in passing with Fuchs on and more recently a Boxster which I think lives not far from me, it had also been lowered quite a bit, the Fuchs makes a heck of a difference to the overall look of the car. Not for everyone but I like 'em.

cmoose

45,312 posts

177 months

Thursday 14th November
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Slippydiff said:
Surely an utterly pointless comment, but whatever !
You were posting a pic of a car that I assume was to showcase aesthetics, parked in a puddle in dull light at an unflattering angle, but whatever!

Slippydiff

10,664 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th November
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cmoose said:
GT4 on 18s:

And you have the temerity to suggest my picture wasn’t flattering !!
A Cayman with collapsed suspension, a pile of tyres in the background and the photographers shadow perfectly showcased in the foreground...
Hardly a masterclass in photography is it ? !!

hehe


The irony is strong with this one, but as you would say in your own inimitable and antagonistic manner, whatever !







Filibuster

1,232 posts

163 months

Thursday 14th November
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Slippydiff said:
This 911 UK’ers car on 18”s looks pretty much perfect.

This looks indeed rather good! I really like the design of this wheel. Do you happen to know what it is?
But is has to be mentioned, that this car surely runs spacers.

The stance, tyre, wheel, body configuration is spot on!

I stand by my point, that from an aesthetics pov, the 997 looks rather good with the right 19".
Knowing that cmoos' (and onthers) knowledge on this subject far surpasses mine, I don't mean to argue with him.
But surely Porsche was thinking something to offer the sports pack on the 997 only with 19" wheels. Or is it really just a marketing trick?

With the kind of driving I do (20k miles in the last two years) I have never ever felt the 997 to be anything less than brilliant with 19" and Michelin PS4S tires!