991.2 GT3 reviews out

[Cheib]

Great written review

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/911/2018/20...

Loves the manual on the track! And thinks it drives differently to the PDK because of the differences in the Diff's

[AndrewD]

Cheib said:

Great written review

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/911/2018/20...

Loves the manual on the track! And thinks it drives differently to the PDK because of the differences in the Diff's

Thanks for that, been looking to find some view on the manual.

[hunter 66]

Good write up yes would go manual if can get but sadly only ordered 1 Gt3 new from OPC ( had it too long and put too many miles on it ) ............ not keen on the SUV 's or Panamera so possibly no get .....will see......

[Harris_I]

anonymous said:

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Absolutely right. In fact the quickest in this case will most likely be the one who has specifically 911 competition seat time, not just generic motorsport experience, and I think that might be Harris who's raced a fair bit in Cup cars.

I once pointed out to evo when they group tested a few generations of GT3s that they had only spotted at the end of the group test that the original 996 had been hobbled by a poor set up. They didn't print my thoughts as I don't think they liked the implication that Bovingdon wasn't experienced enough in a 911 to have spotted it early on. Granted he looks very good in his vlogs, but pedalling a rear engined car at ten tenths needs a very particular experience and skill set, and seat time is the only way of acquiring it.

[Koln-RS]

It's a good point about the relevance of 'lap times' and the quality of 'feedback' from most journos.
I do suspect many like to flatter their own egos behind the wheel.
My understanding is that there is a huge gulf between an enthusiastic 'Am' and an experienced 'Pro' race driver, in their abilities - posting quick consistent lap times in whatever they jump into and the detail of their feedback to the engineers.
Doing well in a few 'celebrity' races does not make a racing driver.
Having said that, most journos are writing for the benefit of the car buying public, who are even further removed from racing ability, so it probably doesn't matter much.
I take it all with a degree of scepticism.

[Dr S]

Koln-RS said:

My understanding is that there is a huge gulf between an enthusiastic 'Am' and an experienced 'Pro' race driver, in their abilities - posting quick consistent lap times in whatever they jump into and the detail of their feedback to the engineers.

Amen to that

[Harris_I]

Yes I like his videos, he writes well and looks very handy drifting around Anglesey. But you only get one chance to do a big group test of every generation of GT3 so for the love of God, please bring along a bona fide ringer, someone of the quality of Steve Rance or the late great Sean Edwards. They can tell you in 50 yards if the car's not right.

[Cheburator mk2]

Koln-RS said:

My understanding is that there is a huge gulf between an enthusiastic 'Am' and an experienced 'Pro' race driver, in their abilities - posting quick consistent lap times in whatever they jump into and the detail of their feedback to the engineers.

100%!

A friend competes in the Carrera Cup Deutschland as a very able amateur. His co-driver is one of Germany's most exciting young pilots. Even though my friend is superb in a lot of cars, Marvin is just head and shoulders above him - in the 911, in the old BMW they lark about in, in my friend's 458 etc.

[Koln-RS]

You can easily tell how accomplished and experienced a racing driver really is by searching on the Driver Database - i.e:

https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/sean-edwards/

https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/chris-harris/

[Digga]

av185 said:

Cheib said:

RSVP911 said:

av185 said:

v8ksn said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQHaA8ttkE0

Top comedy.

"The 991.1 GT3 was infamous for scraping its low front end........."

As if the 991.2 will be any different.

Agree - rubbish review. Driving like miss daisy and talking nonsense - got to love a tryer

Amazingly it's the most popular on YouTube!

Macdonalds despite crappiness is popular too ........the generation of which and general dilution of standards has a lot to answer for.

So too the Daily Express. :

Edited by av185 on Sunday 30th April 19:38

Given my recent escapades around the Nordschleife I may well be the pot calling the kettle black here, but that looks like a bloody warm-down lap. Ridiculous.

[Porsche911R]

well who cares about lap times ?

when this sums it up

Verdict from autoexpress.

We’ve unequivocal praise for the Porsche 911 GT3. The PDK car is a treat, but easier isn’t always better. This manual takes everything that is great about the auto and throws an extra dose of engagement into the mix. In the increasingly homogenised world of performance driving, sometimes the fastest isn’t always the best. Take a bow Porsche, this six-speed GT3 is the best 911 on sale today.

[P1 PET]

5 Interesting things about the new 2017 PORSCHE 911 GT3 | Dream car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPk2JOTqJmA

[franki68]

Porsche911R said:

well who cares about lap times ?

when this sums it up

Verdict from autoexpress.

We’ve unequivocal praise for the Porsche 911 GT3. The PDK car is a treat, but easier isn’t always better. This manual takes everything that is great about the auto and throws an extra dose of engagement into the mix. In the increasingly homogenised world of performance driving, sometimes the fastest isn’t always the best. Take a bow Porsche, this six-speed GT3 is the best 911 on sale today.

This isn't me debating which is better before you get carried away,but that autoexpress quote does not make sense
How does it 'take everything that is great about the auto ' ? .If you listed the pdk strengths over a manual you would say the gearchange is more or less instant and you do not have to take your hands off the wheel .The manual cannot do this,likewise if they said the pdk takes everything that is great about the manual ....it can't.

[MDL111]

franki68 said:

Porsche911R said:

well who cares about lap times ?

when this sums it up

Verdict from autoexpress.

We’ve unequivocal praise for the Porsche 911 GT3. The PDK car is a treat, but easier isn’t always better. This manual takes everything that is great about the auto and throws an extra dose of engagement into the mix. In the increasingly homogenised world of performance driving, sometimes the fastest isn’t always the best. Take a bow Porsche, this six-speed GT3 is the best 911 on sale today.

This isn't me debating which is better before you get carried away,but that autoexpress quote does not make sense
How does it 'take everything that is great about the auto ' ? .If you listed the pdk strengths over a manual you would say the gearchange is more or less instant and you do not have to take your hands off the wheel .The manual cannot do this,likewise if they said the pdk takes everything that is great about the manual ....it can't.

just a guess but they might mean all the other parts of the car - which they probably already had on opinion on before driving the manual version

[franki68]

MDL111 said:

just a guess but they might mean all the other parts of the car - which they probably already had on opinion on before driving the manual version

I get the gist of what they are saying,I am observing that they said it quite badly.

[Cheib]

Second part of Mr Bovingdon's review

https://drivetribe.com/p/HmOlstS0TTixu6gh1Symgw?ii...

He likes it rather a lot! And with Mr Harris posting pictures of the press 911 R he got his hands on again yesterday I imagine we're going to see a back to back test vid in a couple of weeks.

Edited by Cheib on Tuesday 9th May 18:45

Edited by Cheib on Tuesday 9th May 18:47

[BubblesNW]

The best bit of Jethro's commentary for me was "If you've just spent half a million on a 911R then you're a f***ing idiot"

[isaldiri]

BubblesNW said:

The best bit of Jethro's commentary for me was "If you've just spent half a million on a 911R then you're a f***ing idiot"

It really depends doesn't it. One has to wonder who the f**ing idiot is, Bovingdon or the person who has the means to spank that half million (and for all anyone knows might well consider that sum as meaningful as Bovingdon/anyone else might think of 500 quid.

[AndrewD]

isaldiri said:

It really depends doesn't it. One has to wonder who the f**ing idiot is, Bovingdon or the person who has the means to spank that half million (and for all anyone knows might well consider that sum as meaningful as Bovingdon/anyone else might think of 500 quid.

You might be in danger of over analysing this

[Cazooch]

I really think Bovingdon has gone down hill since leaving EVO. Comparing the GT3 with the R for maximum controversy rather than the obvious GT3RS. The R is a road car, backward engineered to sound and feel like the old 911's with the front bobbing up and down unlike a pinned down GT product. Preferred him when he released in depth, serious reviews at EVO...