991.2 GT3 reviews out
Discussion
Cazooch said:
I really think Bovingdon has gone down hill since leaving EVO. Comparing the GT3 with the R for maximum controversy rather than the obvious GT3RS. The R is a road car, backward engineered to sound and feel like the old 911's with the front bobbing up and down unlike a pinned down GT product. Preferred him when he released in depth, serious reviews at EVO...
The obvious comparison is the new manual GT3 with the R, I would guess that was what he was referring to. Apparently Chris Harris has been seen in an R recently so maybe we can expect to see a direct head to head in the near future. Whilst the R will no doubt remain a halo car and retain an enormous value relative to the list price, I suspect the current values will take a hit once manual GT3s hit the market at a relatively lower mark up over the R. £200k for a 991GT3.2 manual or £500k for an R?
Yes, I know that to some people £300k is a mere pittance but to the majority I suspect it is a little more of an issue, especially on a toy.
BubblesNW said:
Cazooch said:
I really think Bovingdon has gone down hill since leaving EVO. Comparing the GT3 with the R for maximum controversy rather than the obvious GT3RS. The R is a road car, backward engineered to sound and feel like the old 911's with the front bobbing up and down unlike a pinned down GT product. Preferred him when he released in depth, serious reviews at EVO...
The obvious comparison is the new manual GT3 with the R, I would guess that was what he was referring to. Apparently Chris Harris has been seen in an R recently so maybe we can expect to see a direct head to head in the near future. Whilst the R will no doubt remain a halo car and retain an enormous value relative to the list price, I suspect the current values will take a hit once manual GT3s hit the market at a relatively lower mark up over the R. £200k for a 991GT3.2 manual or £500k for an R?
Yes, I know that to some people £300k is a mere pittance but to the majority I suspect it is a little more of an issue, especially on a toy.
Saying someone's an idiot for buying an R is like saying anyone paying today's prices for rare/collectible cars is an idiot. The R is priced "in line" with many other rare Porsche's....the R is only £500k because things like the Sport Classic are in the £300k to £400k market, RHD 4.0 RS's are £500k plus, 991.1 RS's are £220k etc etc.
Sure if you look at it as purely a means of automotive transport it's rather expensive at £500k when its intrinsic value is say £130k (price of a similar spec GT3) but the fact is there are certainly many people in this world who will buy any limited edition car of reasonable provenance. Sport Classic is equally expensive at say £250k over a 997 GTS.
Sure if you look at it as purely a means of automotive transport it's rather expensive at £500k when its intrinsic value is say £130k (price of a similar spec GT3) but the fact is there are certainly many people in this world who will buy any limited edition car of reasonable provenance. Sport Classic is equally expensive at say £250k over a 997 GTS.
franki68 said:
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How does it 'take everything that is great about the auto ' ? .If you listed the pdk strengths over a manual you would say the gearchange is more or less instant and you do not have to take your hands off the wheel .The manual cannot do this,likewise if they said the pdk takes everything that is great about the manual ....it can't.
I think what they were trying to say is the main benefits of the PDK over the manual is the instantaneous UPSHIFTS and the ability to select a lower gear WHENEVER you like (I.e during braking, trailing, midway through a corner, etc) How does it 'take everything that is great about the auto ' ? .If you listed the pdk strengths over a manual you would say the gearchange is more or less instant and you do not have to take your hands off the wheel .The manual cannot do this,likewise if they said the pdk takes everything that is great about the manual ....it can't.
The manual is obviously going to be slower on the upshifts as you are manually changing gears but on downshifts there is not as much compromise as expected due to the auto throttle-blip functionality so you can now brake as late and deep as you like and still change down to whatever gear you like safe in the knowledge that the software will revmatch correctly.
Thus - best of both worlds (from a manual lovers perspective)
anonymous said:
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I get your logic with this and, to an extent, agree. The trouble is that, to all intents and purposes - widely discussed - Porsche aren't really making any number of the halo 991 cars anymore. The R was A list customers only, the 991.2 GT3 seems to be going the same way and so, effectively, the supply/demand is very similar. And how long before a N/A 911 is simply not an option, due to emissions?Digga said:
. The R was A list customers only, the 991.2 GT3 seems to be going the same way.
Disagree on that. It seems a large amount of 991GT3.1 owners missed out on the gen 2 on this coming first run. Seems Porsche is carrying out the sharing game to a degree. So not the same old faces it seems..Twinfan said:
throt said:
Disagree on that. It seems a large amount of 991GT3.1 owners missed out on the gen 2 on this coming first run. Seems Porsche is carrying out the sharing game to a degree. So not the same old faces it seems..
This is how my OPC is operating.As said Bought a GT3 996.2 from OPC , financed it , serviced it , there , ordered 18 months ago , no car as yet , will continue to race them Globally ( like , and reliable ) ... but no issue really still have the Ferrari as a reliable DD..
Would I like one, sure ....... love to get back to driving a road Porsche and told them so , but not interested in SUV and saloon stuff ......so I guess stop going to the OPC as waste of time .
Would I like one, sure ....... love to get back to driving a road Porsche and told them so , but not interested in SUV and saloon stuff ......so I guess stop going to the OPC as waste of time .
Edited by hunter 66 on Friday 12th May 15:02
here's a puzzle.
Every reviewer seems to be mooning about the .2 gt3 engine as 'so much better than the RS/R'
Lifted from rennlist - this is a dyno chart of the 2 cars from Porsche
Assuming the charts are accurate, exactly how is the new car's engine so much better as it hits peak power at the same rpm and they fall off at about the same rate after and it makes a bit more torque a bit earlier but hardly a life changing amount at 5krpm anyway....?
Every reviewer seems to be mooning about the .2 gt3 engine as 'so much better than the RS/R'
Lifted from rennlist - this is a dyno chart of the 2 cars from Porsche
Assuming the charts are accurate, exactly how is the new car's engine so much better as it hits peak power at the same rpm and they fall off at about the same rate after and it makes a bit more torque a bit earlier but hardly a life changing amount at 5krpm anyway....?
Oh well ... new production record at the Ring now ........ NIO taken it from Radical ....
Electric car ....6.45
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/electr...
Electric car ....6.45
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/electr...
Edited by hunter 66 on Sunday 14th May 20:12
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