991.2 GT3 Deposit
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Car companies are no different than banks,as the second biggest purchase from most,apart from a property. Porsche up until two years ago would not loan to a car over 10 years old. Looking at the Ferrari model which is loan to anything of the marque,they followed and the values have gone the same. Crazy but the car companies are really banks in disguise?
tuffer said:
Because if you don't pay a deposit how are you supposed to get a car, other than buying several other cars a year and waiting for an invite. I have bought a few cars before, that typically involves placing a deposit.
Just to be clear, I am not whinging about paying a £10K deposit, that I could not care less about. What I was not happy with was the dealer then coming back once they had my deposit and saying that I should buy a few other cars in order to try and improve my chances.
But you have not placed a deposit, you have placed a bribe !Just to be clear, I am not whinging about paying a £10K deposit, that I could not care less about. What I was not happy with was the dealer then coming back once they had my deposit and saying that I should buy a few other cars in order to try and improve my chances.
Edited by tuffer on Friday 19th May 14:40
You say you have bought a few cars before and left a deposit, the key word there is bought :-)
You have not bought a GT3 you have only left a bribe as far as I see it.
n17ves said:
Silly comment.
You know full well that some OPC's request a deposit (rightly or wrongly) to be considered.
The issue is when a northern OPC take 70+ speculative £10k deposits......
Let's not call it a deposit , because it's not a deposit, what's the difference between 15 or 70 or even one if it's not an order ? Not that I believe a dealer has taken 70 lots of 10k.You know full well that some OPC's request a deposit (rightly or wrongly) to be considered.
The issue is when a northern OPC take 70+ speculative £10k deposits......
Edited by n17ves on Friday 19th May 14:48
As we have stated and Porsche state , you place a deposit when you place an order, it's very simple, any other money changing hands can only be bribes or bent dealers they definitely are not deposits :-).
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From Porsche: note a deposit legally confirms your order. :-)
Deposit:
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process"
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 20th May 08:49
Porsche911R said:
n17ves said:
Silly comment.
You know full well that some OPC's request a deposit (rightly or wrongly) to be considered.
The issue is when a northern OPC take 70+ speculative £10k deposits......
As we have stated and Porsche state , you place a deposit when you place an order, it's very simple, any other money changing hands can only be bribes or bent dealers they definitely are not deposits :-).You know full well that some OPC's request a deposit (rightly or wrongly) to be considered.
The issue is when a northern OPC take 70+ speculative £10k deposits......
Edited by n17ves on Friday 19th May 14:48
RSVP911 said:
This really is the most ridiculous post !
what are people leaving then as it's very clear it's NOT A DEPOSIT on the Porsche website a deposit is a legal order.Is it wealthy people throwing money about, bent dealers, what is it ? because it's 100% not a deposit, or is it just client desperation !
how can you call my post stupid when all I did was copy and paste the line from Porsche, they are not my words !
http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/ow...
for the 5th time ;-)
"Deposit
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process. "
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 20th May 09:20
Porsche911R said:
tuffer said:
Because if you don't pay a deposit how are you supposed to get a car, other than buying several other cars a year and waiting for an invite. I have bought a few cars before, that typically involves placing a deposit.
Just to be clear, I am not whinging about paying a £10K deposit, that I could not care less about. What I was not happy with was the dealer then coming back once they had my deposit and saying that I should buy a few other cars in order to try and improve my chances.
But you have not placed a deposit, you have placed a bribe !Just to be clear, I am not whinging about paying a £10K deposit, that I could not care less about. What I was not happy with was the dealer then coming back once they had my deposit and saying that I should buy a few other cars in order to try and improve my chances.
Edited by tuffer on Friday 19th May 14:40
You say you have bought a few cars before and left a deposit, the key word there is bought :-)
You have not bought a GT3 you have only left a bribe as far as I see it.
No letters of intent, no backhanders and no special handshake with the dealer principle, I simply did what was asked in that on the release date the dealer called and asked that I place a deposit.
Porsche911R said:
what are people leaving then as it's very clear it's NOT A DEPOSIT on the Porsche website a deposit is a legal order.
Is it wealthy people throwing money about, bent dealers, what is it ? because it's 100% not a deposit, or is it just client desperation !
how can you call my post stupid when all I did was copy and paste the line from Porsche, they are not my words !
http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/ow...
for the 5th time ;-)
"Deposit
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process. "
I'm not questioning if it's a "deposit" in a technical sense - I can see it means different things to different people / OPC's. However a bribe it is not and its offensive to state this, as it intimates that anyone placing/taking a "genuine statement to buy a car" (let's call it that) is corrupt. I'm sorry but it's a bloody stupid thing to say. Is it wealthy people throwing money about, bent dealers, what is it ? because it's 100% not a deposit, or is it just client desperation !
how can you call my post stupid when all I did was copy and paste the line from Porsche, they are not my words !
http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/ow...
for the 5th time ;-)
"Deposit
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process. "
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 20th May 09:20
tuffer said:
No letters of intent, no backhanders and no special handshake with the dealer principle, I simply did what was asked in that on the release date the dealer called and asked that I place a deposit.
Exactly the same process for me - phone call on the morning of launch, situation explained with regards to taking deposits from those they thought they would be able to supply a car to. Spec'd a car over the phone signed the form and deposited like Tuffer (and tbh Probably many other PH'ers whether they admit it or not). Unfortunately, also like Tuffer I didn't make the first cut. I wasn't asked to buy more cars probably as I have more on order already (!), just an apology that they didn't get as many cars as they hoped but they may get further allocations. Different dealers work in different ways. Is it right - probably not, but it is reality given the demand.
Porsche911R said:
Take that order to court and get a car then if it's an order and you have placed a Deposit ;-)
It's either an order or a worthless bit of paper. and we know it's not an order ;-) because your dealer has told you, you are not getting a car.
It is a Deposit paid using an Order form, it is not a confirmed order. That is what it is.It's either an order or a worthless bit of paper. and we know it's not an order ;-) because your dealer has told you, you are not getting a car.
Porsche911R said:
Take that order to court and get a car then if it's an order and you have placed a Deposit ;-)
It's either an order or a worthless bit of paper. and we know it's not an order ;-) because your dealer has told you, you are not getting a car.
I'm sorry as I don't normally jump in on things, but you are really rattling my cage with your attitude and stance. I've sometimes felt other posters are harsh against you but today I am squarely on their side.It's either an order or a worthless bit of paper. and we know it's not an order ;-) because your dealer has told you, you are not getting a car.
People follow the guidelines as set down by their dealer and in good faith. Most of us havent been as fortunate as you to buy multiple GT cars and to go holidaying and spending Xmas with their DP, so we are not the first call they make where they say 'don't worry about a deposit old chap, we'll sort something out later at the club'!
We talk our our sales exec's they outline the 'company rules' and we decide if we want to play or not.
Tuffer is not complaining about the process per se (and nor am I). He is rightly complaining about the 'buy more cars and maybe, maybe, maybe if Porsche make more we may let you have one'. Which TBH totally sucks and is way out of line.
You do things your way - leave the rest of us mere mortal folk on here to discuss in peace.
Shiverman said:
I'm sorry as I don't normally jump in on things, but you are really rattling my cage with your attitude and stance. I've sometimes felt other posters are harsh against you but today I am squarely on their side.
People follow the guidelines as set down by their dealer and in good faith. Most of us havent been as fortunate as you to buy multiple GT cars and to go holidaying and spending Xmas with their DP, so we are not the first call they make where they say 'don't worry about a deposit old chap, we'll sort something out later at the club'!
We talk our our sales exec's they outline the 'company rules' and we decide if we want to play or not.
Tuffer is not complaining about the process per se (and nor am I). He is rightly complaining about the 'buy more cars and maybe, maybe, maybe if Porsche make more we may let you have one'. Which TBH totally sucks and is way out of line.
You do things your way - leave the rest of us mere mortal folk on here to discuss in peace.
lets gets things straight here: I am in the same boat as you are .People follow the guidelines as set down by their dealer and in good faith. Most of us havent been as fortunate as you to buy multiple GT cars and to go holidaying and spending Xmas with their DP, so we are not the first call they make where they say 'don't worry about a deposit old chap, we'll sort something out later at the club'!
We talk our our sales exec's they outline the 'company rules' and we decide if we want to play or not.
Tuffer is not complaining about the process per se (and nor am I). He is rightly complaining about the 'buy more cars and maybe, maybe, maybe if Porsche make more we may let you have one'. Which TBH totally sucks and is way out of line.
You do things your way - leave the rest of us mere mortal folk on here to discuss in peace.
I expressed an interest in the 991.2 GT3 I am awaiting to see what happens, no money as changed hands I have yet to get an allocation.
All 2017 allocations are filled..
I am in no club or goto any xmas parties lol are you deluded ? I don't buy Macans or Turbos, in fact in the last 47 years have only bought one new car from my OPC , (why you do state I have had mutilple GT cars ?. that's a bit of the green eyed monster there and of course a lie) . Do I post every day and moan, nope. If I get an allocation, I'll get a call and go and pay a deposit, it's all straight forward.
If you are happy to play games back and forth with your OPC asking for "sweeteners" then yes that's your choice I guess.
I'll just take it or leave it and if I don't get a GT3 I'll buy a 570S or something.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 20th May 10:53
Porsche911R said:
lets gets things straight here: I am in the same boat as you are .
I expressed an interest in the 991.2 GT3 I am awaiting to see what happens, no money as changed hands I have yet to get an allocation.
All 2017 allocations are filled..
I am in no club or goto any xmas parties lol are you deluded ? I don't buy Macans or Turbos, in fact in the last 47 years have only bought one new car from my OPC , (why you do state I have had mutilple GT cars ?. that's a bit of the green eyed monster there and of course a lie) . Do I post every day and moan, nope. If I get an allocation, I'll get a call and go and pay a deposit, it's all straight forward.
If you are happy to play games back and forth with your OPC asking for "sweeteners" then yes that's your choice I guess.
I'll just take it or leave it and if I don't get a GT3 I'll buy a 570S or something.
So you have bought 1 new car in 47 years, can I assume you have bought many second hand cars from an OPC to establish a relationship (which seems to be what is required) and based on that relationship you think you might get a call with an allocation at which point you will pay your deposit for a confirmed order? I expressed an interest in the 991.2 GT3 I am awaiting to see what happens, no money as changed hands I have yet to get an allocation.
All 2017 allocations are filled..
I am in no club or goto any xmas parties lol are you deluded ? I don't buy Macans or Turbos, in fact in the last 47 years have only bought one new car from my OPC , (why you do state I have had mutilple GT cars ?. that's a bit of the green eyed monster there and of course a lie) . Do I post every day and moan, nope. If I get an allocation, I'll get a call and go and pay a deposit, it's all straight forward.
If you are happy to play games back and forth with your OPC asking for "sweeteners" then yes that's your choice I guess.
I'll just take it or leave it and if I don't get a GT3 I'll buy a 570S or something.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 20th May 10:53
tuffer said:
Porsche911R said:
lets gets things straight here: I am in the same boat as you are .
I expressed an interest in the 991.2 GT3 I am awaiting to see what happens, no money as changed hands I have yet to get an allocation.
All 2017 allocations are filled..
I am in no club or goto any xmas parties lol are you deluded ? I don't buy Macans or Turbos, in fact in the last 47 years have only bought one new car from my OPC , (why you do state I have had mutilple GT cars ?. that's a bit of the green eyed monster there and of course a lie) . Do I post every day and moan, nope. If I get an allocation, I'll get a call and go and pay a deposit, it's all straight forward.
If you are happy to play games back and forth with your OPC asking for "sweeteners" then yes that's your choice I guess.
I'll just take it or leave it and if I don't get a GT3 I'll buy a 570S or something.
So you have bought 1 new car in 47 years, can I assume you have bought many second hand cars from an OPC to establish a relationship (which seems to be what is required) and based on that relationship you think you might get a call with an allocation at which point you will pay your deposit for a confirmed order? I expressed an interest in the 991.2 GT3 I am awaiting to see what happens, no money as changed hands I have yet to get an allocation.
All 2017 allocations are filled..
I am in no club or goto any xmas parties lol are you deluded ? I don't buy Macans or Turbos, in fact in the last 47 years have only bought one new car from my OPC , (why you do state I have had mutilple GT cars ?. that's a bit of the green eyed monster there and of course a lie) . Do I post every day and moan, nope. If I get an allocation, I'll get a call and go and pay a deposit, it's all straight forward.
If you are happy to play games back and forth with your OPC asking for "sweeteners" then yes that's your choice I guess.
I'll just take it or leave it and if I don't get a GT3 I'll buy a 570S or something.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 20th May 10:53
tuffer said:
So you have bought 1 new car in 47 years, can I assume you have bought many second hand cars from an OPC to establish a relationship (which seems to be what is required) and based on that relationship you think you might get a call with an allocation at which point you will pay your deposit for a confirmed order?
Correct , that's about it, only bought 2 2nd hand cars though. but I am not a flipper (my GT4 has never been for sale) and all 3 of my cars are looked after by my OPC.I am just waiting for the 2018 allocations and see what happens.
Porsche911R said:
n17ves said:
And the one he did buy brand new, he slagged off and then tried to flip (unsuccessfully) for a high price.
Why make up such lies ?what the f
k is wrong with people here ?I don't think you realise what you have written on here sometimes, I could say the exact same to you with the selective memory...
Porsche911R said:
tuffer said:
So you have bought 1 new car in 47 years, can I assume you have bought many second hand cars from an OPC to establish a relationship (which seems to be what is required) and based on that relationship you think you might get a call with an allocation at which point you will pay your deposit for a confirmed order?
Correct , that's about it, only bought 2 2nd hand cars though. but I am not a flipper (my GT4 has never been for sale) and all 3 of my cars are looked after by my OPC.I am just waiting for the 2018 allocations and see what happens.
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