997 GTS or 991.2 GTS?

[Phooey]

So what exactly have Porsche done to the 991.2 GTS to make it a "major step up" from the 991.2 C2S? I thought the 997 GTS was about 10% better than the 997.2 C2S. The 991.1 GTS to be 15-20% better than the 991.1 C2S. I loved the 3.8 NA motor. I've not driven the 991.2 GTS but have driven the 991.2 C2S and thought that was very quick but also quite soulless and a little boring to drive. I think the 991.2 GTS is a very pretty 911 and very appealing from a cost-of-ownership perspective but Porsche must have done something other than just turn the boost up and sharpen the chassis / steering for it to get all this praise? I'm in the minority of not liking this 3.0 turbo unit so far so really interested and excited to hear that there is better to come from it..

[dvshannow]

Phooey said:

So what exactly have Porsche done to the 991.2 GTS to make it a "major step up" from the 991.2 C2S? I thought the 997 GTS was about 10% better than the 997.2 C2S. The 991.1 GTS to be 15-20% better than the 991.1 C2S. I loved the 3.8 NA motor. I've not driven the 991.2 GTS but have driven the 991.2 C2S and thought that was very quick but also quite soulless and a little boring to drive. I think the 991.2 GTS is a very pretty 911 and very appealing from a cost-of-ownership perspective but Porsche must have done something other than just turn the boost up and sharpen the chassis / steering for it to get all this praise? I'm in the minority of not liking this 3.0 turbo unit so far so really interested and excited to hear that there is better to come from it..

its a fair point made with a heathy twang of cynicism I can see why you make it, as its not like Porsche have put a brand new lump it the thing like the GT3. I think for me its the little things that come together to make the car feel like a bigger step to a sports car than a gt car - so yes the sharpened chassis and added power help, but coupled with the tweaked sports exhaust, reduced sound deadening and gts interior its a case for little things all adding to a bigger difference.

[2010spy]

The only way to know is to drive it every day. I've been amazed. My 981 Spyder 'howls' all day long and I've not driven since I got the 991.2 GTS. It pulls hard and long, like a steam train. A very pretty steam train. Also, I've been 'stopped' by people almost 100% I've been out in it, very interested in the car. I didn't expect that in 911. Perhaps it's one of those 'sum of the parts things' which you can't explain rationally.

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[Chipper]

Phooey said:

So what exactly have Porsche done to the 991.2 GTS to make it a "major step up" from the 991.2 C2S? I thought the 997 GTS was about 10% better than the 997.2 C2S. The 991.1 GTS to be 15-20% better than the 991.1 C2S. I loved the 3.8 NA motor. I've not driven the 991.2 GTS but have driven the 991.2 C2S and thought that was very quick but also quite soulless and a little boring to drive. I think the 991.2 GTS is a very pretty 911 and very appealing from a cost-of-ownership perspective but Porsche must have done something other than just turn the boost up and sharpen the chassis / steering for it to get all this praise? I'm in the minority of not liking this 3.0 turbo unit so far so really interested and excited to hear that there is better to come from it..

Hi Phooey,

I had my 997 gts at the same time you had yours. I really liked the 997 gts but this car is really special. I haven't felt like this about a car for such a long long time and tbh I never thought I would again. I'm bloody glad it has given me this spark back into driving which I'd nearly forgot. it just does everything right.


I feel it's worth every penny, it's a vehicle that I can honestly say I would struggle to suggest anything on the planet that ticks so many boxes of what a sports car should be.
It's a car worth getting in debt for and vehicle I can honestly say I would like to keep forever.


Can you tell I like it ?

[Chipper]

[Chipper]

[Chipper]

Stella and sun 😏

[Phooey]

^^^ That looks fantastic Chipper. Great colour combo too. The 991 is a pretty 911 and the .2 GTS certainly looks even more so. I'll have to have a drive in one when my OPC gets their demo (July I think).

[franki68]

Chipper said:

Phooey said:

So what exactly have Porsche done to the 991.2 GTS to make it a "major step up" from the 991.2 C2S? I thought the 997 GTS was about 10% better than the 997.2 C2S. The 991.1 GTS to be 15-20% better than the 991.1 C2S. I loved the 3.8 NA motor. I've not driven the 991.2 GTS but have driven the 991.2 C2S and thought that was very quick but also quite soulless and a little boring to drive. I think the 991.2 GTS is a very pretty 911 and very appealing from a cost-of-ownership perspective but Porsche must have done something other than just turn the boost up and sharpen the chassis / steering for it to get all this praise? I'm in the minority of not liking this 3.0 turbo unit so far so really interested and excited to hear that there is better to come from it..

Hi Phooey,

I had my 997 gts at the same time you had yours. I really liked the 997 gts but this car is really special. I haven't felt like this about a car for such a long long time and tbh I never thought I would again. I'm bloody glad it has given me this spark back into driving which I'd nearly forgot. it just does everything right.


I feel it's worth every penny, it's a vehicle that I can honestly say I would struggle to suggest anything on the planet that ticks so many boxes of what a sports car should be.
It's a car worth getting in debt for and vehicle I can honestly say I would like to keep forever.


Can you tell I like it ?

Drove it yesterday at pec, car is superb.Probably my most enjoyable pec day .

[T25UFO]

Hi Chipper . . . I had pretty much decided to make the change from 997 to 991.2 and your comments (also on the other 'must haves' thread) have convinced me. Have sold the 997 and placed the new car order. I know my spec, apart from two things: manual or PDK and Graphite Blue or Crayon. I am leaning toward manual and Graphite Blue (influenced by your photos!) but will try the latest PDK first.

[franki68]

T25UFO said:

Hi Chipper . . . I had pretty much decided to make the change from 997 to 991.2 and your comments (also on the other 'must haves' thread) have convinced me. Have sold the 997 and placed the new car order. I know my spec, apart from two things: manual or PDK and Graphite Blue or Crayon. I am leaning toward manual and Graphite Blue (influenced by your photos!) but will try the latest PDK first.

Very personal but the crayon 991 at silverstone is pretty awful ,doesn't work at all imo.

[Taffy66]

T25UFO said:

Hi Chipper . . . I had pretty much decided to make the change from 997 to 991.2 and your comments (also on the other 'must haves' thread) have convinced me. Have sold the 997 and placed the new car order. I know my spec, apart from two things: manual or PDK and Graphite Blue or Crayon. I am leaning toward manual and Graphite Blue (influenced by your photos!) but will try the latest PDK first.

I originally chose manual on my 991.2GTS however after back to back tests of manual and PDK 991,2S at Silverstone i switched to PDK.Bear in mind however that all the negative press directed at the 7 speed manual on the original 991.1 needs to be ignored imv as the latest 7 speed manual in the 991.2 is in a different league and nearly as good as the 6 speed in my GT4.However i still chose PDK as i felt it slightly suited the 991.2 better however i was also influenced by my PEC instructor's huge preference towards PDK(all PEC instructors massively favour PDK btw imo)..!.Choice of gearbox on the new GTS is purely down to personal preference imo and no right or wrong either way.
The massive no brainer game changer imv is RAS as it massively improves agility at lower speeds,stability at higher speeds and eradicates understeer which i found an issue on the non RAS version based on my track driving day.
I'm picking mine up Tuesday and really looking forward and will post first impressions next week..

[Mario149]

Phooey said:

So what exactly have Porsche done to the 991.2 GTS to make it a "major step up" from the 991.2 C2S? I thought the 997 GTS was about 10% better than the 997.2 C2S. The 991.1 GTS to be 15-20% better than the 991.1 C2S. I loved the 3.8 NA motor. I've not driven the 991.2 GTS but have driven the 991.2 C2S and thought that was very quick but also quite soulless and a little boring to drive. I think the 991.2 GTS is a very pretty 911 and very appealing from a cost-of-ownership perspective but Porsche must have done something other than just turn the boost up and sharpen the chassis / steering for it to get all this praise? I'm in the minority of not liking this 3.0 turbo unit so far so really interested and excited to hear that there is better to come from it..

I'm not a massive fan of the 3.0 turbo unit either so you're not alone. The 991.2 C2S I drove was f****** fast with a capital f******. Devastatingly effective but ultimately not very exciting. I can't imagine an extra 30bhp would change that for me given that I have a Caterham 620R to satisfy any "mental acceleration" needs I may have. Even with my lardy self in it (110kg) with a passenger the other car needs to be packing at least 600bhp to pull away from it up to about 130mph on a straight. And in the corners just forget it.

I think that what the turbos have done is truly turned the Carrera S/GTS into an everyday supercar, which really can only be applauded on an objective level. But for me, sticking a turbo lump in a Carrera is just as sacrilegious as putting one in a GT3. And I was out in the 997 GTS today, and it never ceases to amaze me how that engine just crashes into the limiter at 7500rpm - genuinely feels like it should have another 1000rpm to go. I imagine the the 991.1 GTS feels much the same if not better. I personally didn't even get a hint of that feeling from the 3.0 litre turbo unit and that's the deal breaker for me as my 911s aren't DDs. I'd happily buy one instead of say a Panamera, but I don't think I could ever buy as a replacement for a NA 911. At least not until they build one with a top end as exciting as the old NA lumps. Then I'll be back in the game

[2010spy]

Gratuitous picture of 3.8 NA and 3.0 Turbo. Both amazing engines.

Edited by 2010spy on Sunday 28th May 11:41